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Michael Moore: Here's How to Fix the Mess on Wall Street

Posted by Michael Moore, MichaelMoore.com at 3:56 AM on October 2, 2008.


We cannot simply keep protesting without proposing exactly what it is we think Congress should do.

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The richest 400 Americans -- that's right, just four hundred people -- own MORE than the bottom 150 million Americans combined. 400 rich Americans have got more stashed away than half the entire country! Their combined net worth is $1.6 trillion. During the eight years of the Bush Administration, their wealth has increased by nearly $700 billion -- the same amount that they are now demanding we give to them for the "bailout." Why don't they just spend the money they made under Bush to bail themselves out? They'd still have nearly a trillion dollars left over to spread amongst themselves!

Of course, they are not going to do that -- at least not voluntarily. George W. Bush was handed a $127 billion surplus when Bill Clinton left office. Because that money was OUR money and not his, he did what the rich prefer to do -- spend it and never look back. Now we have a $9.5 trillion debt. Why on earth would we even think of giving these robber barons any more of our money?

I would like to propose my own bailout plan. My suggestions, listed below, are predicated on the singular and simple belief that the rich must pull themselves up by their own platinum bootstraps. Sorry, fellows, but you drilled it into our heads one too many times: There... is... no... free... lunch. And thank you for encouraging us to hate people on welfare! So, there will be no handouts from us to you. The Senate, tonight, is going to try to rush their version of a "bailout" bill to a vote. They must be stopped. We did it on Monday with the House, and we can do it again today with the Senate.

It is clear, though, that we cannot simply keep protesting without proposing exactly what it is we think Congress should do. So, after consulting with a number of people smarter than Phil Gramm, here is my proposal, now known as "Mike's Rescue Plan." It has 10 simple, straightforward points. They are:

  1. APPOINT A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR TO CRIMINALLY INDICT ANYONE ON WALL STREET WHO KNOWINGLY CONTRIBUTED TO THIS COLLAPSE. Before any new money is expended, Congress must commit, by resolution, to criminally prosecute anyone who had anything to do with the attempted sacking of our economy. This means that anyone who committed insider trading, securities fraud or any action that helped bring about this collapse must go to jail. This Congress must call for a Special Prosecutor who will vigorously go after everyone who created the mess, and anyone else who attempts to scam the public in the future.

  1. THE RICH MUST PAY FOR THEIR OWN BAILOUT. They may have to live in 5 houses instead of 7. They may have to drive 9 cars instead of 13. The chef for their mini-terriers may have to be reassigned. But there is no way in hell, after forcing family incomes to go down more than $2,000 dollars during the Bush years, that working people and the middle class are going to fork over one dime to underwrite the next yacht purchase.

If they truly need the $700 billion they say they need, well, here is an easy way they can raise it:

a) Every couple who makes over a million dollars a year and every single taxpayer who makes over $500,000 a year will pay a 10% surcharge tax for five years. (It's the Senator Sanders plan. He's like Colonel Sanders, only he's out to fry the right chickens.) That means the rich will still be paying less income tax than when Carter was president. This will raise a total of $300 billion.

b) Like nearly every other democracy, charge a 0.25% tax on every stock transaction. This will raise more than $200 billion in a year.

c) Because every stockholder is a patriotic American, stockholders will forgo receiving a dividend check for one quarter and instead this money will go the treasury to help pay for the bailout.

d) 25% of major U.S. corporations currently pay NO federal income tax. Federal corporate tax revenues currently amount to 1.7% of the GDP compared to 5% in the 1950s. If we raise the corporate income tax back to the level of the 1950s, that gives us an extra $500 billion.

All of this combined should be enough to end the calamity. The rich will get to keep their mansions and their servants, and our United States government ("COUNTRY FIRST!") will have a little leftover to repair some roads, bridges and schools.

  1. BAIL OUT THE PEOPLE LOSING THEIR HOMES, NOT THE PEOPLE WHO WILL BUILD AN EIGHTH HOME. There are 1.3 million homes in foreclosure right now. That is what is at the heart of this problem. So instead of giving the money to the banks as a gift, pay down each of these mortgages by $100,000. Force the banks to renegotiate the mortgage so the homeowner can pay on its current value. To insure that this help does no go to speculators and those who have tried to make money by flipping houses, this bailout is only for people's primary residence. And in return for the $100K paydown on the existing mortgage, the government gets to share in the holding of the mortgage so that it can get some of its money back. Thus, the total initial cost of fixing the mortgage crisis at its roots (instead of with the greedy lenders) is $150 billion, not $700 billion.

And let's set the record straight. People who have defaulted on their mortgages are not "bad risks." They are our fellow Americans, and all they wanted was what we all want and most of us still get: a home to call their own. But during the Bush years, millions of them lost the decent paying jobs they had. Six million fell into poverty. Seven million lost their health insurance. And every one of them saw their real wages go down by $2,000. Those who dare to look down on these Americans who got hit with one bad break after another should be ashamed. We are a better, stronger, safer and happier society when all of our citizens can afford to live in a home that they own.

  1. IF YOUR BANK OR COMPANY GETS ANY OF OUR MONEY IN A "BAILOUT," THEN WE OWN YOU. Sorry, that's how it's done. If the bank gives me money so I can buy a house, the bank "owns" that house until I pay it all back -- with interest. Same deal for Wall Street. Whatever money you need to stay afloat, if our government considers you a safe risk -- and necessary for the good of the country -- then you can get a loan, but we will own you. If you default, we will sell you. This is how the Swedish government did it and it worked.

  1. ALL REGULATIONS MUST BE RESTORED. THE REAGAN REVOLUTION IS DEAD. This catastrophe happened because we let the fox have the keys to the henhouse. In 1999, Phil Gramm authored a bill to remove all the regulations that governed Wall Street and our banking system. The bill passed and Clinton signed it. Here's what Sen. Phil Gramm, McCain's chief economic advisor, said at the bill signing:

"In the 1930s ... it was believed that government was the answer. It was believed that stability and growth came from government overriding the functioning of free markets.

"We are here today to repeal [that] because we have learned that government is not the answer. We have learned that freedom and competition are the answers. We have learned that we promote economic growth and we promote stability by having competition and freedom.

"I am proud to be here because this is an important bill; it is a deregulatory bill. I believe that that is the wave of the future, and I am awfully proud to have been a part of making it a reality."

This bill must be repealed. Bill Clinton can help by leading the effort for the repeal of the Gramm bill and the reinstating of even tougher regulations regarding our financial institutions. And when they're done with that, they can restore the regulations for the airlines, the inspection of our food, the oil industry, OSHA, and every other entity that affects our daily lives. All oversight provisions for any "bailout" must have enforcement monies attached to them and criminal penalties for all offenders.

  1. IF IT'S TOO BIG TO FAIL, THEN THAT MEANS IT'S TOO BIG TO EXIST. Allowing the creation of these mega-mergers and not enforcing the monopoly and anti-trust laws has allowed a number of financial institutions and corporations to become so large, the very thought of their collapse means an even bigger collapse across the entire economy. No one or two companies should have this kind of power. The so-called "economic Pearl Harbor" can't happen when you have hundreds -- thousands -- of institutions where people have their money. When you have a dozen auto companies, if one goes belly-up, we don't face a national disaster. If you have three separately-owned daily newspapers in your town, then one media company can't call all the shots (I know... What am I thinking?! Who reads a paper anymore? Sure glad all those mergers and buyouts left us with a strong and free press!). Laws must be enacted to prevent companies from being so large and dominant that with one slingshot to the eye, the giant falls and dies. And no institution should be allowed to set up money schemes that no one can understand. If you can't explain it in two sentences, you shouldn't be taking anyone's money.

  1. NO EXECUTIVE SHOULD BE PAID MORE THAN 40 TIMES THEIR AVERAGE EMPLOYEE, AND NO EXECUTIVE SHOULD RECEIVE ANY KIND OF "PARACHUTE" OTHER THAN THE VERY GENEROUS SALARY HE OR SHE MADE WHILE WORKING FOR THE COMPANY. In 1980, the average American CEO made 45 times what their employees made. By 2003, they were making 254 times what their workers made. After 8 years of Bush, they now make over 400 times what their average employee makes. How this can happen at publicly held companies is beyond reason. In Britain, the average CEO makes 28 times what their average employee makes. In Japan, it's only 17 times! The last I heard, the CEO of Toyota was living the high life in Tokyo. How does he do it on so little money? Seriously, this is an outrage. We have created the mess we're in by letting the people at the top become bloated beyond belief with millions of dollars. This has to stop. Not only should no executive who receives help out of this mess profit from it, but any executive who was in charge of running his company into the ground should be fired before the company receives any help.

  1. STRENGTHEN THE FDIC AND MAKE IT A MODEL FOR PROTECTING NOT ONLY PEOPLE'S SAVINGS, BUT ALSO THEIR PENSIONS AND THEIR HOMES. Obama was correct yesterday to propose expanding FDIC protection of people's savings in their banks to $250,000. But this same sort of government insurance must be given to our nation's pension funds. People should never have to worry about whether or not the money they've put away for their old age will be there. This will mean strict government oversight of companies who manage their employees' funds -- or perhaps it means that the companies will have to turn over those funds and their management to the government. People's private retirement funds must also be protected, but perhaps it's time to consider not having one's retirement invested in the casino known as the stock market. Our government should have a solemn duty to guarantee that no one who grows old in this country has to worry about ending up destitute.

  1. EVERYBODY NEEDS TO TAKE A DEEP BREATH, CALM DOWN, AND NOT LET FEAR RULE THE DAY. Turn off the TV! We are not in the Second Great Depression. The sky is not falling. Pundits and politicians are lying to us so fast and furious it's hard not to be affected by all the fear mongering. Even I, yesterday, wrote to you and repeated what I heard on the news, that the Dow had the biggest one day drop in its history. Well, that's true in terms of points, but its 7% drop came nowhere close to Black Monday in 1987 when the stock market in one day lost 23% of its value. In the '80s, 3,000 banks closed, but America didn't go out of business. These institutions have always had their ups and downs and eventually it works out. It has to, because the rich do not like their wealth being disrupted! They have a vested interest in calming things down and getting back into the Jacuzzi.

As crazy as things are right now, tens of thousands of people got a car loan this week. Thousands went to the bank and got a mortgage to buy a home. Students just back to college found banks more than happy to put them into hock for the next 15 years with a student loan. Life has gone on. Not a single person has lost any of their money if it's in a bank or a treasury note or a CD. And the most amazing thing is that the American public hasn't bought the scare campaign. The citizens didn't blink, and instead told Congress to take that bailout and shove it. THAT was impressive. Why didn't the population succumb to the fright-filled warnings from their president and his cronies? Well, you can only say 'Saddam has da bomb' so many times before the people realize you're a lying sack of shite. After eight long years, the nation is worn out and simply can't take it any longer.

  1. CREATE A NATIONAL BANK, A "PEOPLE'S BANK." If we really are itching to print up a trillion dollars, instead of giving it to a few rich people, why don't we give it to ourselves? Now that we own Freddie and Fannie, why not set up a people's bank? One that can provide low-interest loans for all sorts of people who want to own a home, start a small business, go to school, come up with the cure for cancer or create the next great invention. And now that we own AIG, the country's largest insurance company, let's take the next step and provide health insurance for everyone. Medicare for all. It will save us so much money in the long run. And we won't be 12th on the life expectancy list. We'll be able to have a longer life, enjoying our government-protected pension, and living to see the day when the corporate criminals who caused so much misery are let out of prison so that we can help reacclimate them to civilian life -- a life with one nice home and a gas-free car that was invented with help from the People's Bank.

Yours,


Michael Moore


MMFlint@aol.com


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Freeze,Seize and Ship their asses over to THEIR Foreign Creditors
Posted by: Purple Girl on Oct 2, 2008 5:00 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Here's the Deal...Americans Will Not Co Sign this Loan Until Someones' asses are Hung for this CRIME!
Nor Will we Sign If OUR wounded Are not Triaged FIRST!
Sen Obama, Now is the Time You Should Have used this 'Shock Doctrine' Moment in time to Unveil AND PUSH Your 'Bottoms UP ' Economic restructuring Plan.By Refusing to guide the Dem Party (which is NOW Yours to guide,per Teddy) Towards Your vision and this 'Table Turning' Opportunity- You may have done US a great disservice. What could have been an Immeidate Reversal of Direction is now taking the Scenic Route and risking the Mishap of Getting Off Track again!
Your 5 added Element were Far better than any of the Co conspirators came Up with - of course! However you failed to push over two dominos..first Holding those accountable Financially and Criminally Liable. And that any Loans Go First to the Area which began the entire Down Slide Because they had Been Swindled by these Criminals....Homeowners.
Freeze and Seize These 400's assets(Physical, Paper & rocks) Add it to OUR COFFERS and See how far it digs US out of the Economic Hole these Guys have dug for US With forethought and MALICE (McCain - Mr.Keating 5 and Phil Gramm -Mr. Enron and the Rest of the Traitors On Macs staff)! Then take a Loan to provide those Who FEED the Banks, thus The economy!
These Gamblers Did not just take Our Granny's 'Cookie Jar' money, nor our Retirement nest eggs..They Stole OUR CHILDENS Future Economy! They have Shackled Them with a burden which ultimatley comes down to them Being led to the Global Futures Market Auction Block!21st Century Endentured Slavery!
So do I have any Mercy for those Who Say 'Let them Eat Cake' Absolutely NOT and Frankly Am I concerned About THEIR Children or Grandchildren? NO! they have committed High Crimes Against Our Nation Let them Stand Charged with Treason and let their Descendants feel the wrath too!they have not Given a Shit About Ours in Decades!
If they haven't got enough to pay off THEIR Foreign Creditors- ship their Asses Over and let the 'Guido's' figure out How to get It out of Them! I'm Betting They have their own Form of 'Enhanced Interrogation Techniques' For Swindlers!

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This is why Michaael Moore is a god
Posted by: kroenung58 on Oct 2, 2008 6:03 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Sure, like any political entertainer he can sometimes play fast and loose with a few facts to make his point (though he can't hold a candle to Fox), but in the end the reformer always replaces the entertainer and Mike reminds us whose side we're all supposed to be on and who the bad guys are.

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» RE: I am proud Posted by: Lauren
Either Start Over or change the System Dramatically Here and Now!
Posted by: Ottomatic on Oct 2, 2008 7:17 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
FREEZE Foreclosures!
Save Main Street instead of Wall Street!
Bush steals everything and then has got the gall, to tell us that we’re broke.
Some Fiscal Conservative: after plowing Seven Trillion into the Corporate Black Hole!
Stop Corpirate Welfare!
We need,
Health care,
Elderly Care,
Child Care,
Dental Care,
Organic Food,
Green Energy:
Conservation, higher Efficiency and Self sufficiency,
Infrastructure repairs,
College Educations,
Cleaner Air and Pure Water.
A School Lunch Program,
The Right to Assemble: without brutal, repressive, intimidating, Police Tactics and Interference.

We need help instead of excuses.
We need the most honest, the best and the Brightest running our Government for us instead of:
This Corrupt, Treasonous, Lying, Spying, BU__! SH__!
Stop Corpiratization!
It is a complete and utter failure.
It fails the people.
Break up the Media-Monopolies!
They’re violated their Licensing agreements by censoring the News.
One Media outlet in one market.

1st and foremost we need Representation: For and By the People.
Everyone should have an equal voice.
People are People.
Corporations are Machines.
There is nothing Human about a Corporation.
They are the capital appendages of the filthy Rich.
They deserve no Human Rights.
What do a bunch of Wealthy Aristocrats, Shysters and Corporate Crooks know about your problems?
The problems of the average American?
As The Shrub/Dead Eye Dick Cheney say:
Nothing, I see nothing!

We need Representatives who believe in the original Values and Ideals that this was Country was founded upon:
The Constitution and The Bill of Rights.

Stop the Hypocrisy!

All for One
and
One for All.

Stop the Cor-pirate occupation!

Surge
Purge
Update and
REBOOT!

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Michael Moore for President!
Posted by: Symp on Oct 2, 2008 8:01 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I'm not kidding!
The only thing I'd like to say to you Mike concerning you 10-point plan is that you shouldn't forget the average Americans that didn't let themselves conned by mortgage companies [and THEMSELVES] do not deserve to be put on the sidelines whilst those that did little introspection get to keep on living in the McMansion vinyl castles they are in. Make the federal assistance UNIFORM for all Americans. The lack of accountability is prevalent now throughout our society, and rewarding our OFTEN weak-minded compatriots is a grave error that may prove to be fatal.

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Good points
Posted by: jstepp590 on Oct 2, 2008 8:06 AM   
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No wonder the extreme right calls him a radical and crazy, he makes too many good points that interfere with their bottom lines. They did the same thing to Ross Perot.

They used to call Ross Perot crazy and a little Hitler. He always said that "if you sign NAFTA your going to hear a huge sucking sound of all your high paying jobs going overseas to sweatshops". I guess telling the truth made him crazy, crazy for effecting bottom lines for corps to move our jobs overseas anyway.

I used to believe the propaganda about Michael Moore but now I see I was wrong. He's as crazy as Ross, or me for that matter. We don't agree on things like gun control but overall I can at least believe he tells us the truth. If that makes him crazy then it makes me stark raving insane, and proud of it.

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Obama just lost my vote... for good
Posted by: DaBear on Oct 2, 2008 9:20 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Why is it that it takes a filmmaker and an entertainer to come up with what a legislator and yes, even a presidential candidate should be coughing up as routine as his lunch. WTF are Senators being paid for?! Clearly not leading or representing us.

I'm waiting for the next asshole in a mercedes to do something provocative... then I'm taking his car.

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» Just write your vote on a napkin ... Posted by: Taylor Siluwe
» RE: Obama is open minded Posted by: billslm
» Obama is one of "them" Posted by: eeezzz
» RE: Obama is one of "them" Posted by: Lauren
» Obama is one of THEM Posted by: sln70
Jailing Wall Street
Posted by: billslm on Oct 3, 2008 4:14 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Yes! Thank you, Michael Moore. Your list needs to be on every legislator's desk on Monday morning. The Republicans will scream and whine but then that's what they do best. The reign of Phil Gramm and his ilk is over. Good riddance!

For about a week now, I have been calling for the Federal Government to take seriously the fact that this crisis did not come about because everyone was on their best behavior.

Quite the contrary.

I have known more than a few guys who worked on Wall Street. And I can guarantee that nobody makes money on Wall Street without inside information. That whole gaff with Martha Stewart being left to hang in the wind for "insider trading"? That was a terrible joke! I'm not a great Martha Stewart fan but I hate injustice! She was a lamb compared to the Wall Street jackals. And it was interesting to me how nobody stepped forward to say so.

So this time around, let's get it straight and see that the people who actually perpetratrated fraud go to jail and no more scapegoating.

A whole lot of people need to spend a lot of time thinking about what they did wrong and how they will do so much better after they get out of jail.

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» Can we lock up Bush too ... Posted by: Taylor Siluwe
» RE: Can we lock up Bush too ... Posted by: peacefullaim
Medical expenses in foreclosures
Posted by: anna_2 on Oct 3, 2008 4:58 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Medical bills is No1 reason for foreclosures,
can we at least separate house from those expenses by not allowing to bankrupt people
and to create separate financing accounts
and never mix them together.
This will also help out next crisis:
big pharma & unhealthy food that creates
many of our illnesses
In current bailout/rescue program those
medical debts should be forgiven.

And no I do not have them, but was only trying to find some silver lining for people.

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Jail???
Posted by: Tom Degan on Oct 3, 2008 5:04 AM   
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Mike wants these hideous bastards to go to jail? (or "gaol" as the English spell it - what the hell is the matter with those people?) I must strongly disagree with Mr. Moore:

Jail is where you go when you've had one-too-many on a Saturday night and you accidentally back you car into the plate glass window of the local pharmacy. These bastards need to be sent away to a federal prison.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
"The Rant"

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Just One More Thing
Posted by: Honky on Oct 3, 2008 5:29 AM   
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ABOLISH THE FEDERAL RESERVE

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The Republicans and the Democrats are Dinosaurs; they’re extinct but too dumb to know it...
Posted by: donal1944 on Oct 3, 2008 5:33 AM   
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"A crap sandwich."


So says House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH describing the $700 billion bailout he supports but fears. He’s pissed because he knows his party is going down in flames but he hasn’t yet figured out that that’s exactly what’s in store for the winners too.

It doesn't matter when or even if the bailout passes. The damage has already been done and the economy is in failure mode.

According to the US Treasury the national debt is exactly
$9,889,199,531,449.08
. That's almost $10 trillion dollars and it increased by about $700 billion dollars this year because of the US war to steal oil. By the end of the year it’ll be in the vicinity of $2.5 trillion dollars higher. The math is as simple as the consequences will be catastrophic.

Each year the Clinton/Bush genocide goes on costs about $500 billion dollars. This weekend the Congress loaned $25 billion dollars to Ford, GM and Chrysler, but the amount was almost too piddling to be noticed. Add an absolute minimum of $1 trillion dollars for the big bailout, another $1 trillion for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (with out of pocket losses adding about $200 billion dollars), and $85 billion dollars for AIG. Add substantial amounts for losses and for inflation and pretty soon you’re talking real money.

For a year of two the left has used the term ‘looming economic crisis” but now we’ll have to stop; it’s here. The economy will be crushed under the weight of that debt. . The left will be organizing to compel the government to renounce the debt, immediately end the genocide, nationalize failed business without compensation under democratic control and use the money for social programs, to improve the infrastructure and begin a crash program to deal with the effects of the looming environmental crisis created by the unchecked degradation of programs like NAFTA and Bush’s withdrawal from the Kyoto Treaty.

“May you live in interesting times” is an ancient curse. Now it’s official: we live in interesting times. Those times are going to destroy McCain and Obama and their parties.

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An Omitted Group of Culprits
Posted by: jyongue@iag.net on Oct 3, 2008 5:41 AM   
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Evangelical Christians elected and re-elected Geroge the Idiot; they should pay a significant portion of the cost of his regime. Tax church property and bussiness.

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» RE: An Omitted Group of Culprits Posted by: helenahanbasquet
but what then Mike ????
Posted by: ghost in the machine on Oct 3, 2008 4:58 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Im with you prettty well all the way Mike ...but are you making the same mistake as the rest.

The way these crooks developed the financial system is because we wanted money as a form of energy to develop our lives . Should that little old lady not had a mortgage? should her son not have had the new car ?.

You see ,these scum bags creamed off the top for sure , but they facilitated our ability to buy the goods which are now produced at an expanential rate. They also made the moves that undermined your manufacturing industry and forced workers to compete with lower wages elsewhere.

So in reality the crisis is in the competive ..mass production system where any products life is short, and industry is more and more finance dependant . Seeking lower wages or more hours of work. In the process destroying the consumer base for the goods that are being produced at a greater rate . So Real profits dont really exist if all the loans are called in , .Once a shock hits the system it reveals the crisis of credit that now riddles the system and collapses like a pack of cards...predictably in the heart of finance itself

So if its back to the same way of doing things ..its back into the cycle ....Its what Marx called the "Insoluble contradiction of capitalism "

See ....Marx got it right about somethings .

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Nationalizing health covreage
Posted by: bthespoon on Oct 3, 2008 6:34 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Would save us over $350 billion per year and do more than anything else to help level the playing field for all Americans, including American businesses. The job boom that would be created by doing this one simple thing would make our economic gears turn so fast our heads would spin.

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Michael is Mostly On Target - With Some Quibbles
Posted by: Liberty G on Oct 3, 2008 7:08 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Michael Moore's plan is impressive - however I have two points of concern:

1. Many stockholders are elderly people who rely on their dividends and interest for survival. They should not be penalized if they see the need to sell a stock, nor deprived of a whole quarter's income.

2. We who can't even afford to buy a house should not be paying $100,000 each to bail out troubled homeowners. Instead, we should require the greedmongers who sold them the bait and switch deals to reduce the interest rates on those homes to the original, low ones. Then, the principal will be paid, and the banks will just have to eat the loss of (excessive) interest. With the huge profits these guys have made, they can handle that.

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Back To The Land
Posted by: Last Chance on Oct 3, 2008 7:40 AM   
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Nothing is going to be done about any of this criminal madness. So, get smart and get together to acquire a parcel of land to grow your own food. Then together you can plan a future for the children.

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Real Solutions vs Pipe Dreams
Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Oct 3, 2008 7:51 AM   
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What Michael Moore wrote was satire, hopefully. If not then that's pretty sad. Idiocracy inches closer with every person who thinks Michael Moore's oversimplified solutions are anything but satire.

I have a plan that can cut US gasoline usage in half in 10 years, totally eliminating the importation of foreign oil. It's not a pipe dream. It can be done, we have all we need to do it.

The 21st Century Interstate Highway Project

It will drastically reduce gasoline consumption, create ten million jobs, and pay for itself by saving half a trillion a year on oil imports.

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Why raise the FDIC limit?
Posted by: leafsong1 on Oct 3, 2008 8:01 AM   
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How much can a couple put into savings accounts and have those funds covered by the FDIC under current law? More than TEN MILLION dollars. That's because they can have 200,000 in each FDIC insured institution. Why does such a wealthy couple need more protection? Increasing the limit only serves to concentrate the risk and increase the profits for the biggest players. Obama should be ashamed for his support for this measure, and Moore should be ashamed for having trumpeted it as some sort of populist position. Like the rest of the bailout, it will make matters worse.

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That Moore's ideas are on the fringe men hard times ahead
Posted by: alturn on Oct 3, 2008 8:04 AM   
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Moore gives a snapshot of how things would be done if "We the People" was a fact, not a slogan.

"We the People" means that there is a place for doing things together on a grand scale through government for the benefit of everybody. That is socialism, but it also is how the "We" is cared for.

All the brainwashing of the Reagan years - that the individual matters at the expense of the whole - has us in a place where analysis such as Moore's seems radical. Instead, it should be Main Street common sense.

Since what Moore offers is not even part of mainstream democratic party thought, the Americans who make up the "We" are in for a mega wilderness experience - which will be a harsh crash course on how the world and universe actually work.

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Things aren't that bad
Posted by: Bobsays on Oct 3, 2008 8:26 AM   
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If you live in the developed western world, then you are sitting pretty. That's the fact Mike is right: this is not a repeat of the Depression. Stay calm, carry on, aspire, acquire, consume, do. That should be what you tell yourself every morning. And then things will be okay.

The worst thing you can do is panic and stop doing things. If you are in debt, then work more. If you aren't in debt, congratulations, you are the dude!

And spare a thought for people in the developing world. For the poor there, life is very hard and they need you to keep spending and engaging with the global economy.

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rodhouse
Posted by: rodhouse on Oct 3, 2008 8:38 AM   
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We know Washington is flooded with money from lobbyists who represent those demanding to be given a windfall and their ilk. All of our politicians who have voted for de-regulation of the finance rules and received money from the finance sector of our society bear a responsibility. The cost to them must be an end to the money. Eliminating the ability of wealth to control or effect government must be part of the solution to this mess. If we don't absolutely eliminate advertising from elections (Remember liquor ads, they were toxic & we eliminated them.) and have solely public financing of all aspects of the process, any fixes will be meaningless.

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Just keep telling yourself, "It's only a movie, it's only a movie...."
Posted by: wildbill on Oct 3, 2008 8:51 AM   
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Oh, sorry, that would be one of Michael Moore's other efforts, or David Zucker's "An American Carol," a "comedy" coming out today, in which we get to see Bill O'Reilly bitch-slap a Michael Moore wannabe. No, this is real life, and we don't get to walk out into the sunlight at the end of it.

Moore's plan sounds good; it's not gonna happen. See Joe Bageant's column on "Hard to Swallow Truth" three notches above this one. Some of us have seen this coming for years. America is a house of cards, a giant pyramid scheme, the Enron of nations, the home temple of the Church of the Bigger Fool. We don't really produce anything here anymore, we just run frantically about, selling useless junk to each other so we can buy more useless junk for ourselves.

Two recent quotes from wise men that pretty well describe our present situation:

"This sucker could go down." - George W. Bush

"We're toast." - David Letterman

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el Pedro
Posted by: elPedro on Oct 3, 2008 9:41 AM   
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Still, in all the comments, not a mention of "the F word." Fascism. Why is that so taboo when it is exactly where we are and there's no way out.

Some of the plans I hear are sound good, but simply won't happen. The lobbyists will get their 13 votes today in the House. Very sad. How they can even study a 400 page document in such a short time is beyond me. Why the urgency?

Because the master of fear-mongering has struck again. And he'll continue striking until January 20th. He wants to leave Obama and the world with the worst possible mess. That's what psychopath's do. It's called their "legacy."

In addition to the laws mentioned, how about a drug, psychological and physical test for all political candidates and all members of the government? Corporations do it, why can't they?

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profit sandwich
Posted by: cbishopp on Oct 3, 2008 9:41 AM   
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From what I have seen these events that are drummed up to create drama in the market or national security (whether it is called a "threat" or a "crisis") have profit points throughout and squeeze both the pocketbooks as well as a general feeling of fear out of every U.S. citizen.
If the house votes this bill down then the wealthy clean up on Wall Street because they have the resources to buy. Any smart investor knows that the time to buy is when there is blood in the streets. If they vote for the bill then they have irresponsibly handed the wealthy a huge paycheck with no oversight and we will get nothing back for it.
I consistently feel pulled to my memories of 9-11.
"Your government has failed you".
We will not only be mired in two wars and facing economic shortfalls but in addition we will not have the funds or organization to remedy any of the major problems we face as a nation...in energy, in security, in international standing, in deficit spending, nothing.
I am ashamed to be an American. What's worse is that I have read hundreds of great ideas (much like this article) from economists, from investors, and from everyday Americans who are vocal and active and trying to be heard. But the House and Senate move blindly forward without considering the will of the taxpayer.

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a cliche though it is... MOORE FOR PRESIDENT
Posted by: ethanlbell on Oct 3, 2008 10:51 AM   
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I have a leading theory on why the common person keeps getting screwed by politics, we are not politicians. Thats what america really needs, we don't need the same assholes in office, we don't need a democrat or republican whose been in office for so many years that he is most likely someones bitch, (corporations usually) we need someone who is not a politician for prsident, we need someone who does not give a rats ass on what anyone WANTS, instead they give a rats ass on what the country needs not what they get elected by or makes a good blurb (maverick be damned), we are the country of the people, so how about we elect a real person, how about micheal moore, who's not afraid to cause problems who does not feel the need to placate the ohter party or even corporations or the common person. Although i do disagree with him on one thing,this economy chrisis is way more severe than he thinks, it may not be a second depression but it could so easily become one, throughing money at it is not the solution.

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NATIONAL BANK
Posted by: Aredee on Oct 3, 2008 11:02 AM   
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I like the National Bank idea, particularly if the so-called "financial services" sector continues to screw the working poor. Try finding a conventional bank in an inner city neighborhood. All you'll see are rip-off check cashing outfits, payday and car title loan usurers. If you need transportation, you go to an "EZ Credit" used car outfit, where most of the transactions eventually end in repossession, because the buyers can't afford the criminal interest rates.

Business week magazine called this the "Poverty Business" in a May 21, 2007 cover story.


Private banks ought to be forced to open up shop in depressed areas as a condition of their charter, and if they can't, then the government should open and run the banks to serve this underserved population.

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AMEN!!!
Posted by: Gravitas on Oct 3, 2008 11:45 AM   
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Amen Michael!!! I don't think it satire. The most reasonable solution in the world is to have the parasites at the top pay for their own mistakes. Nationalize their assets if they don't have the class to do it voluntarily. There is NOTHING that shows our system exists for them and we are just glorified serfs better than this crisis. I love his "pull yourself up from your bootstraps" irony. All that crap is fine when it applies to poor folk. But the effete sh*ts ruin the country then come crying for us to rescue them. God, what is wrong with us if we sit there and take it. Would we even have had the guts to fight the American Revolution today!!!!

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too bad the bail out just passed....
Posted by: msalganik on Oct 3, 2008 11:46 AM   
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WTF is it going to take to change this nation!!!

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» I'm sorry too, but Posted by: Last Chance
Why stop there?
Posted by: dockboy on Oct 3, 2008 12:10 PM   
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Hell, let's really redistribute the wealth. We should all contribute every last dime to our names to a general public redistribution pool. Then have the government redistribute it evenly to every household. That way we all have the same amount. After all, wealthy people are dishonest, lying cheaters. They deserve to have their wealth stripped from them.

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» Why retreat into fantasy? Posted by: Last Chance
I have no home. Bail out one home owners?
Posted by: PaulK on Oct 3, 2008 2:16 PM   
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Just wondering about this. If I don't speak up I don't get justice. (Not that any of us will get much justice anyways.)

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too generous!
Posted by: phindrup on Oct 3, 2008 8:44 PM   
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Too generous Michael! Is anybody employed by a company worth more than twenty times that of the lowest paid employee?

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Game over for freedom and democracy
Posted by: blogbooks on Oct 4, 2008 12:26 PM   
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Those that rule the United States are sending us all a message. This signals a return to a very common state of existence for humanity through history - one where the very few rule over masses of poor.

This didn't happen this week or last week or last year. America has been steadily moving in this directly for the past 100 years, at least. Again, this is normal.

A country where the masses are free, educated, and enjoy relative wealth and comfort is very rare indeed. This state of existence does not benefit the elite in any way. An affluent slave becomes fat and weak. Our masters have learned from the decadent and weak Baby Boom generation that they need to reign us in a bit, take away a bit of our allowance.

So let me spell out the future plain as day.

1. The Baby Boom generation had the highest standard of living that any American generation will ever enjoy. We've past the apex of human civilization insofar as the masses are concerned. The future is a return to poverty and barbarism.

2. The 3rd Infantry Division 1st Brigade Combat Team just stood up their operations under "NorthCOM." These battle hardened soldiers, that spent 35 of the past 60 months in Iraq killing people, are here to "subdue civil unrest and control crowds." These are battle hardened killers deployed on American soil for the purpose of controlling the American people by any means necessary. The future is violent subjugation of any who oppose the will of our masters.

3. The bailout is giving money to foreign banks because the system has "gone global." There, in a real manner, is no United States of America. We have already lost our sovereignty to the international banking system that controls the world. The future is one without a bill of rights, without sovereign nations, in which all pay homage to the international elite that will rule us all.

4. You need to wake the fuck up and realize that this isn't something you can ignore any longer. This isn't just the rantings of the Unabomber and nut jobs on the 'net. This is real and this, for the most part, has ALREADY happened. You cannot stay in your yuppy bubble worlds much longer. This is coming to a location near you - and soon. Look out for yourself and anyone you want to protect. The future is indeed a return to barbarism.

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