Soon after we met, my neighbor, a Pentecostal, indicated that he held similar beliefs. I came up with what I thought was an apt reply:

"So, uh, you basically think the Flintstones was a documentary, huh?"

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Senility?
Arrogance?
Recklessness?
Vindictiveness?
Anti American sentiments- TREASON!
the Country is not only facing two endless Wars, financial meltdown and increasing hatred from around the World We are facing a Crisis of National Idetity- are we War mongering, dead beat sociopaths Now?
And amidst the biggest Challenge to this countries Soverenty McCain pins Up Betty Boop as next in Charge!
McCain has a laundry list of instances of betraying this country
Which NFL Team Again John?
Keating 5 ( last Billions bailout for Corrupt Banking practices)
Phil & Wendy Gramm,Rick Davis
'Anthrax' Came from Iraq
Iraq will be a breeze
Ohhhh Let US count the Ways!
BUT Above and Beyond all those Indictable anti Americna Activities- Sarah takes the Cake!
Malice with forethought to the High Crime of placing the Entire Independent nation and Her citizens in Harms Way!He is Not only Recklessly endangering US, But the entire World population! She is ignorant, shortsighted, Religious Extremeist who has 'Separationist' hostilities toward the Other 49 States.Could he have possibly tried any harder to find the Most UNQualified Delusional Fanatic to be his 'Back up'???

Again John WHICH 'Country First'- sure as SHIT ain't OURS!

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Except for the "mice". The line of reptiles that lead to the
mammals originated 10 Million years before the dinosaurs.
Protomammals looked very much like reptiles in those days.
There were something like 50 species of protomammals that we
have identified. Their sizes ranged from mouse sized to dog
sized. When the dinosaurs came along, the dinosaurs ate all of
the protomammals that were big enough for dinosaurs to catch.
Being small meant being able to hide in a small hole and being not
worth the bother to catch. That was about 250 million years ago.
Mammals remained small until the dinosaurs went extinct 65
Million years ago. If mammals as big as humans, including
humans, had existed during the reign of the dinosaurs, they would
have been eaten. Humans and dinosaurs cannot coexist. To
think that dinosaurs and humans could coexist is delusion. If
Sarah Palin thinks that dinosaurs and humans lived at the same
time, then Sarah Palin is crazy.

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As a sophomore undergraduate student in Physics, your homework in Probability
and Statistics class may include figuring out when the second coming would be
required, assuming that the bible was 100% true in the year zero. That is, when
would the bible be down to 50% true? The popular and professors' answer in
1965 was the year 500. The true answer: A friend of mine was born and raised in
Budapest, Hungary. As an adult, he came here and stayed. After 25 years, he
visited his home town of Budapest. He was unable to communicate with his high
school classmates because the Hungarian language had changed so much. The
correct answer is less than 25 years. The first gospel was not written down until
50 years after the alleged events and then in a different language. The people who
told the story were at about the same level of civilization as "wild Indians", I mean
Native Americans before Columbus got here. We have all played or seen played
the game called "Telephone" in which a story is passed down a line of re-tellers.
By the Sixth re-telling, the story has no resemblance to the original. The gospel
story had to have been re-told at least 6 times before it was mis-translated the first
time. [Note that whoever wrote it down the first time was free to write whatever
he wanted to. The storytellers were illiterate and unable to check his written text
by reading it. Besides that, he wrote in Greek rather than Aramaic.] Conclusion:
There is no truth anywhere in the bible, and there never was. There is no way to
know what "jesus" or "mohammed" or any other such character actually said or
did.

ALL of the jurisdictions that were formerly in the jurisdiction of religion have
been taken over by Science. There is no longer a need to debate the issue.
Religion is an unfortunate side effect of having evolved from a chimpanzee-like
animal in a very brief 6 or 7 million years. "God" will not save us from the
consequences of global warming or an asteroid impact or a tornado because there
is no such critter as "god.". Ethics and morality are instinctive, not derived from
religion. Female instinct has greater force in morality than male instinct because
the female is in command of the sexual encounter. Look up "Sociobiology". The
origin of the Universe is the subject of Cosmology which is part of astronomy
which is part of the science of physics.
Religion is a SCAM. ANY religion, there are 10,000 to choose from at any one
time. People keep inventing new religions [for the benefit of the "prophet," of
course] and forgetting other religions. ALL preachers, priests, imams, rabbis,
iatolas, etc. belong in jail for "grand theft, bunko type".

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Religion is caused by any one or more of about half a dozen mental illnesses.
The truth about religion can be found in these books:

"The Neuropsychological bases of god beliefs" Dr. Michael A. Persinger MD,
psychiatrist 1987 "Religious people are just like my temporal lobe patients"

"The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bi-Cameral Mind" Julian
Jaynes Professor, Harvard University 1976 "Religious people are just like
schizophrenic patients"

"The Psychiatric Interview in Clinical Practice" Roger A. MacKinnon, M.D.,
Robert Michels, M.D. W. B. Saunders Co. 1971 "Religiosity is a common
symptom [of] schizophrenic patients"

"The God delusion" by Richard Dawkins. "Religion is caused by a kind of
computer virus that infects the living computer, the human brain."

"The Science of Good and Evil" by Michael Shermer, 2004 "Morality and Ethics
are now in the jurisdiction of Science and greatly improved thereby."

Many books in the new science called "Sociobiology": Morals and ethics are
instinctive and they evolved.

"God: The Failed Hypothesis" by Victor Stenger. Scientific proof that god does
not exist.

"The God Part of the Brain" by Matthew Alper 1996. "The USA is anomolusly
religious because many early founder groups were religiously insane and fleeing
prosecution in Europe. Religion is a genetic disorder."

"The Accidental Mind" by David J. Linden, 2007 Belknap Press of Harvard
University Press. Religion is caused by the extreme klugeyness of the "designed"
by evolution brain. In particular, the narrative creation system cannot be turned
off. It generates false narratives that are believed by the generating person. This is
seen in experiments done in the laboratory. This book has the best explanation of
resistance to evolution: "There has also been an assumption that if one accepts the
idea that life developed without divine intervention, it necessarily follows that all
aspects of religious thought must be rejected. Those who take this line of
argument to extremes argue that when religious thought is rejected moral and
social codes will degenerate and "the law of the jungle" will be all that is left. It is
imagined by religious fundamentalists that those who do not share their particular
religious faith are incapable of leading moral lives." These suppositions are not
true many times over. Linden later mentions that the creationists [intelligent
design advocates] are exactly 180 degrees wrong rather than just a little wrong.
Being exactly wrong, they are unable to unlearn their error. See Sociobiology or
Sciobio.

"Scientists Confront Intelligent Design and Creationism" edited by Petto &
Godfrey, 2007. The ID and creationist crowd are trying to do away with science.
They see science as a "godless religion." Science is a process, not a religion.

"Manufacturing Belief" by Lewis Wolpert
http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2007/05/15/lewis_wolpert/

"The End of Faith" and "Letter to a Christian Nation" by Sam Harris

"Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon", by Daniel Dennett
Let's do scientific research on religion and find out what causes it.

"Origins of the Modern Mind" by Merlin Donald 1991 "So what did you expect
from a brain that is based on the Chimpanzee brain?

"Atheism, A Case Against God" by George Smith

"God is not Great; how religion poisons everything" by Christopher Hitchens, 2007

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The really crazy thing is that her views are very nearly mainstream in the U.S. 40% or something believe the creationist/"intelligent design" blather. Dubya betrayed his thoughts on the subject when he endorsed a "balanced" approach to the issue in our science classrooms.

Why it's so unthinkable, to those of an evangelical mindset, that humans can be descended from lower forms of life is not clear to me, but it seems to have something to do with the whole "immortal soul" thing. I think it's connected to their abortion concerns somehow.

If a tiny colony of a few embryonic cells constitutes a human "life", the destruction of which can amount to murder and a deadly sin - and if you realize that there's not a spit's worth of difference between that and any other lower life form, not to mention our fellow primates - or the mammals we kill for food - well, you see where it would lead.

What bothers me is the contempt for basic science. That's why I pull no punches with my benighted neighbor (we're actually good friends). I tell him he's doing his two grade school-aged boys no favors feeding them this nonsense. How can these loonies accept all the benefits of modern science, but be so ready to disregard it when it runs afoul of the Good Book?

It's the coming Fall of the American Empire, the rise of the Christian Taliban. You'll notice that very few Europeans or citizens of other Christian but otherwise advanced nations - subscribe to this crapola. But here we're frighteningly close to handing over the keys to the White House to these fools.

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What I want to know is why the dinosaurs did not get on the arc.

After all, how would two brontosaurus fit? How much food for the T-Rex?

If it is literally true, then every chapter is true, no pick and choose. This includes: old testament punishments for "crimes". Can I have some slaves, I promise not to beat them too much.

Rod

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Actually humans and dinosaurs did cohabit the earth for a while.

In Texas (I think) was found a fossil of dinosaur tracks a short distance (a foot or two)away from what appears to be tracks of a humanoid. Michael Cremo has an entire book of incidents that prove the human race is much older than science believes. The title of the book is "Forbidden archaeology"

In the book is also the gold chain that was found un an archaeology dig when the sediment around the chain was dated to 8000 years ago.

I am a Creationist; but have no use for the Creation story in the bible.

The Creation story in the bible was revealed to moses around 4000 years ago. amd the Christians are trying to blow it out of proportion as the literal word of God. The Muslims do the same thing to the Q'uran.

I believe God reveals himself herself or itself yo each of us according to our level of awareness.

It is impossible for Moses, Muhammed, me or you to comprehend the transcended so please do not perceive scriptures to be like a CNN report. It is all allegory teaching us spiritual truths and do not become bogged down in the minutae

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...from dittoheads.

You folks have got to stop being shocked and amazed at their lack of anything resembling an intellect. They are not incompetent, this was the game plan from the beginning of the Shrub reign of terror, and I would say the mission has and continues to be accomplished.

One of their main goals for eight years has been to destroy science as an entity of truth and progress.

Another is to continue to barrage you with inane individuals (like the Shrub), with inane ideas, thoughts, words, and actions, to the point that Amerikkkans now believe this is the way government should be run. Intellectuals bad, redneck intellect good. Science bad, Invisible friends infallible.

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Palins intelligence is without doubt proof of the coexistence, afterall McCain qualifies a political dinosaur

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This is truly a mental defect in the minds of people who believe humans and dinosaurs actually inhabited earth at the same time.

Palin goes a step further in her beliefs,she also has the faith in an African Witch Doctor,Pastor Thomas Muthee, an insane religious zealot from Kenya,and one of vice-presidential nominee Sarah Palin's favorites. She believes he used his magical powers to help her become governor of Alaska. Seriously!
What really makes me physically ill is seeing the pastors on telivision Sunday mornings.
Benny Hinn wants a new jet.

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If god created the universe 6000 years ago, how do you account for the fact that there are stars hundreds of millions of light years away? The christian Rights answer to that is "C" decay, with "C" being the speed of light. They claim that the speed of light has slowed down in 6000 thousand years. If that is true, we would be able to notice in a one persons lifetime the speed of light declining.

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This is an embarrassing attack on Palin.

Why the fuck are supposed progressives accusing Palin merely of believing in her religion?

You guys are forgetting the true meaning of "secular".

With all of the stupid things Palin does, why bother slamming on her religion? She, like anyone else, should be free to worship as she chooses.

I mean really, with all of the ACTUAL problems with Palin (and the biggest being her fucking running mate), do we really need to question her religion?

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Here in outdated little old Europe we used to laugh gently at American fringe Christianity, but now that the fringe has moved into the mainstream the laughter is not so gentle. I find it mind boggling that someone can come out with this creationist crap and still be in the running for high office. Surely an essential qualification for the vice-presidency should be an ability to make rational decisions based on rational reasons? This woman could easily become president but still the media treat her as if she has serious political things to say.

The rest of the world might fear America's military might, but fear is not respect. The thought that terrifying military capability is twinned with primitive religiousity is bonechilling and has played no small part in the diminishing respect for supposed American ideals. The inspiring myth of a shining city on a hill is all but dead: that may be unfair to all those citizens who still hold the ideals behind the myth to be true, but Americans destroyed the myth all on their own.

Fringe Islam has grown from suffering and injustice. What is American Christianity's excuse?

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If this heresay is true--and here, say alternet drives past even Limbaugh land to find someone who once claimed to have a conversation with Palin--it's not that surprising. You can't, however, place the blame solely on parents who take a direct hand in educating their children, versus those who delegate the responsibility of educating their children to private or state operated institutions.

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Dinosauers and people DID co-exist.

The dinos ate all the people, took a big shit, and the resulting goo evolved into the republican party.

Granny's crazy videos = Go get a chuckle!

Luv,
granny

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but am very afraid that they will be forced on everyone else. I've known a lot of religious fundamentalists and they're not content to just believe or worship "their way" but take their "missionary" work seriously and will try to convert us "heathens" to save our immortal souls.

One of my long time friends has tried for years to get me to attend her church (much less conservative than Gov Failin's) as she told me that my church wasn't teaching/preaching the "true word of God". No amount of reasoning could dissuade her from believing I would burn in hell for not attending a "true" christian church that teaches "true" Biblical beliefs.

THose who think the separation of church and state is a bad idea don't understand why it is so necessary. We are seeing the rise of the American Taliban now and if it goes unchecked, we are in deep doo doo.

I can't stand McPain, for his flip flops and bad legislation, but Gov Failin scares the poop out of me. I'm not well off enough to leave the country if those two iron-fisted wackos are elected, so I'm praying to my God that He smites them or something just to keep them out of power.

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Well, dinosaurs became extinct dozens of millions of years before homo-sapiens evolved. So her 6000 year-old Earth theory is a little off.

Hmm...I bet Sarah Palin thinks the Wallstreet bailout will be (or would have been) only *700* dollars!..
Maybe she thinks John McCain is only 22 years old!...

No wonder she doesn't believe in human-caused climate-change. She, like President Bush, doesn't like those 'sciency' things.

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...the dinosaurs she's talking about are her stone age family forebears.

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We live in an communication age where oil pumps are morphed into dinasaurs with green scales and sharp claws, and human fetus's are philospically defined as excrement. Lying and deceipt are a game of wit's with the media and amongst the citizenry, where, in order for one to win, the other must lose. Aside from distributing traffic tickets, Police work now seems to be a senario of entrapment, if not primarily to manage the drug culture in the streets. To the programmed consumer, the old euphamism "throw the book at em" now probably indicates a porn-mag.

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Of course humans lived with dinosaurs. Palin knows this personally, as her running mate is a barely living, breathing dinosaur.

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I loved Lewis Black's comment on Creation Science's believers-that they are watching the Flintstones and think they are watching a documentary.

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Alexander Pope wrote: "A little learning is a dangerous thing." He had no idea just how little. Sarah Palin is naive, uneducated, and dangerous. It is obvious that she is in over her depth, yet if McCain is elected she is just one heartbeat away from the presidency. She is popular because she is just like many Americans:mediocre and uninformed. She wears her ignorance like a merit badge. This woman is a menace.

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evil woman will do evil, but for a good woman to do evil, it takes religion.

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Having an idiot who believes in creationism isn't necessarily a disaster. After all, we survived Reagan and, by the skin of our teeth, Bush. But what we might not survive if this nutjob gets her finger on the button, is her belief in the Last Days when everything goes up in flames. I would not put it past one of the true believers to deliberately start a nuclear war to bring about the Rapture. The Israelis have arrested numerous American rightwing religious nutjobs bent on starting a conflict by dynamiting one of the Moslem mosques in Jerusalem or on the West Bank. What happens when one of these aforementioned nutjobs gets access to the codes and has the support of her fellow travelers in the military. Remember that rightwing religious nutjobbery is ubiquitous in the military, especially the professional military, as proven by the mess at the Air Force Academy and the various incidents in the Pentagon.

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Jesus H. Christ.

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Except for the Jews, and a few others, religious people and organizations are not content with being able to worship as they choose--they want, no, they NEED to convert the rest of us,or, failing that, exert their voting power to elect their own, or other politicians who are willing to sell the liberty of the rest of us for campaign contributions.

These religious zealots believe it is their sacred religious duty, and their own salvation depends on their "saving" your soul and mine, whether we want their meddling or not.

They think a cataclysmic war in the middle east would be a happy event because their biblical interpretation says that's what will hasten the Rapture when they and their fellow believers will be swooped up into heaven while the rest of us heathens die horribly below.

It is wise to remember that when Church and State are not separated, the Church overpowers the State, as in the 14th and 15th centuries when delicate doctrinal "scruples" forbade the Inquisition arm of the Catholic Church from "shedding blood", the condemned was turned over to the civil government for execution of the sentence of death by burning. There are no records of the civil authorities ever pardoning, or sparing the condemned's life. Their capital "crimes", as with philospher,cosmologist,poet and playwright, Giordano Bruno 1548-1600, were questioning religious doctrines like the trinity, virgin birth,changing bread into the literal body and blood of Jesus during Mass, etc., but the "secular" government obliged. They feared the same fate if they did not.

Henry VIII formed his own Church of England, and then persecuted those who did not accept him as its Head, simply because he wanted a divorce from his first wife because she had "failed" to produce a son and he had an itch for Anne Boleyn who was expected to deliver one. No biologist, he-- but he was learned by 14th century standards and the science of the times laid blame or credit for the offspring's gender on the female.

When Henry's daughter by his first wife,Katherine, the daughter of Ferdinand and Isabella of Spain, Mary Tudor succeeded her short-lived brother, Edward, she burned Protestants as heretics. The Calvinists were no better where they ruled.

Are we so sure such faith-based horrors could never happen again? I'm not--not when the VP candidate of a major party accepts laying on of hands by a preacher to protect her from witchcraft, and believes that women who are raped or victims of incest should not be allowed abortions because of the candidates religious belief in instant fetal personhood.

These people do not want religious freedom, they want religious license and Theocracy based on their brand of Magical Thinking.

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