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If Obama Must Reject Farrakhan, McCain Must Explain Hagee

Posted by Jane Hamsher, Firedoglake at 11:16 AM on February 29, 2008.


Hagee was, if you'll remember, the guy who said that Hurricaine Katrina was God's revenge for a gay pride parade.
John Hagee Preaches Anti Catholicism

Tim Russert, in front of millions of Americans on Tuesday night, was quick to force Barack Obama to denounce Louis Farrakhan repeatedly until he worded it to Russert's satisfaction (evidently the words "unacceptable and reprehensible" didn't quite get the job done). Despite the fact that Obama never sought Farrakahn's endorsement, Russert felt this line of questioning was appropriate given Farrakhan's intolerant remarks about Jews in the past.

Okay, so let's accept Russert's argument that this is a fair line of inquiry. If that's the case, then why isn't he pressing John McCain about radical religious extremist uber-nut John Hagee?

Mr. McCain, who has been on a steady search for support among conservative and evangelical leaders who have long distrusted him, said he was "very honored'' by Mr. Hagee's endorsement. Asked about Mr. Hagee's extensive writings on Armageddon and about what one questioner said was Mr. Hagee's belief that the anti-Christ will be the head of the European Union, Mr. McCain responded that "all I can tell you is that I am very proud to have Pastor John Hagee's support.''

Notice the "been on a steady search" part. If Obama had actively sought Farrakhan's endorsement, his campaign would be over. Watch the video below. McCain is downright proud of this Hagee endorsement.

Hagee was, if you'll remember, the guy who said that Hurricaine Katrina was God's revenge for a gay pride parade. He thinks war with Iran is essential so as to bring about Armageddon (when you can say bye-bye to the Jews). But as Glenn Greenwald says, he's a white Christian evangelical bigot, and therefore entitled to respect from the pundit class:

[W]hite evangelical Ministers are free to advocate American wars based on Biblical mandates, rant hatefully against Islam, and argue that natural disasters occur because God hates gay people. They are still fit for good company, an important and cherished part of our mainstream American political system. The entire GOP establishment is permitted actively to lavish them with praise and court their support without the slightest backlash or controversy. Both George Bush and Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert sent formal greetings to the 2006 gathering of Hagee's group.

By contrast, black Muslim ministers like Farrakhan, or even black Christian ministers like Rev. Jeremiah Wright, are held with deep suspicion, even contempt. McCain is free to hug and praise the Rev. Hagees of the world, but Obama is required to prove over and over and over and over that he does not share the more extreme views of black Ministers.

How come Tim Russert -- in all the times he sits and chats with Lieberman, McCain and various high Bush officials -- never reads all of the inflammatory, disgusting, crazed "Rapture-is-Coming/ All-Jews-will-Burn/ Kill-All-Muslims/ Hurricanes-are-Punishment-against-Gays" pronouncements from John Hagee and James Dobson and Pat Robertson and demand that John McCain and George Bush and Joe Lieberman "denounce" those views and "reject" their support? What's the difference, exactly?

Enter...Bill Donahue.

Yes, Mr. Catholic League/Chocolate Jesus himself, who is (justifiably) miffed that Hagee refers to Catholics as "'The Great Whore,' an 'apostate church,' the 'anti-Christ,' and a 'false cult system.' Glenn Greenwald interviewed him yesterday:

Donohue was particularly insistent that McCain's behavior would severely harm his standing with Catholic voters -- the group of voters which Karl Rove maintains is the key group for enabling the GOP to win: "This thing seems to be to be blowing up in his face. McCain has stepped in it big time."

It's going to be hard for Russert to garner an audience for this quite as big as he did in a Presidential debate, so I'm going to make a suggestion here that I never thought I would...

(*sharp intake of breath*)

...he needs to have Bill Donohue on Meet the Press.

Fair is fair, right?

(And congratulations to Glenn Greenwald, who is getting kudos from both sides of the political spectrum on this. Big ups from the National Review.)

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Tagged as: homophobia, racism, mccain, obama, religious intolerance, religious right, farrakhan, hagee

Jane Hamsher is the founder of FireDogLake. Her work has also appeared on the Huffington Post, Alternet and The American Prospect.


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Get me out'a here!!
Posted by: Freedom101 on Feb 29, 2008 12:54 PM   
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Unbelievable Nut Jobs!! European Union is looking good about now. McCain is going to give us the "Culture War" just to pay his dues to the Wingnuts. And going up against Obama will giving them all the ammunition they will need..

Clinton Obama 08

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Keep it up, John
Posted by: Jeanne on Feb 29, 2008 2:42 PM   
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If John McCain becomes the Republican nominee, these tidbits of information will make wonderful fodder to discredit him as a candidate. The nuttier, the better. If it keeps the Republican corporate war machine out of the White House for four more years, it will be a glimmer of hope that this country can be steered on a different course.

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I Agree Totally With Article
Posted by: QQOblivion on Feb 29, 2008 3:11 PM   
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Yes, I agree totally. Why the double-standard? Obama has not only rejected Farrakhan's support, but is being forced by the "liberal media" to go at great lengths (probably unsuccessfully in the media's eyes) to distance himself from Farrakhan. Yet, McCain not only GLADLY takes, not only the support of super-nut-case Hagee, but the support of Rod Parsley (mentioned elsewhere in today's Alternet), plus the support of God-knows-what other fascist bigoted nutcases. And the media says nothing of McCain's supporters.

Could the difference in the treatments of the candidates have something to do with (1) Farrakhan is suppose to be a Muslim, while Hagee and Parsley are supposedly Christians, and the US media has an anti-Muslim pro-Christian bias? (2) The media isn't so liberal after all, and actually has an anti-Obama and pro-McCain bias because of the politics the candidates each represent? (3) Maybe the media has a racial bias against Farrakhan supporters since Farrakhan and Obama are each at least partly African American? (4) The media wrongly believes Hagee to be pro-Jew (which is actually the opposite of the truth), and Farrakhan is obviously an anti-Jewish bigot; and the strong pro-Israel lobby has control of the US media (as well as the US government). (5) A combination of the previous reasons for the double-standard.
(The media biased? Wouldn't that beat all?!)

I say, write some letters!

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Hear, hear!
Posted by: hagwind on Feb 29, 2008 3:25 PM   
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Thanks for providing the perspective that the MSM and the GOP totally lack, and don't want the USA to have either.

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The Left Behinds
Posted by: omatravel on Feb 29, 2008 7:48 PM   
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Hagee is a leader of a fundamentalist evangelical group which wants Armageddon to happen, preferably on Bush's watch. These disciples of Tim Lahaye and Jerry Jenkins fervently hope for the Rapture just to prove to us infidels that they were right. Lahaye and Jenkins have enriched themselves by millions of dollars while scaring the shit out of poor, ignorant "Christians" who don't want to be "left behind" when the Rapture occurs and Christ returns to Israel, the only reason these bigots tolerate the Jews.

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Now it's Obama's turn. But how did he get away with it for so long?
Posted by: johnp on Feb 29, 2008 7:58 PM   
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Now we're hearing a different story here. As long as Hillary had to take constant media attacks, you faux leftwingers remained silent; in fact you really enjoyed it didn't you? Now that Obama has finally had some of the shit thrown at him, that Hillary has had to endure each day throughout the last 10 months, you're bitching and whining like a bunch of infants. Obama has been using "Sen. Clinton's authorization of Bush's invasion of Iraq," to constantly and mercilessly attack Hillary, even though Obama, hypocrite and fake that he is, absolutely knows that he is as much or as little a war monger, and as likely to capitulate to the corporate warmongers as Hillary is. Suppose I were to start to write letters insisting that Obama is a anti-semite and jew-hater, ignoring the reality that the facts argue against such nonsense. Suppose a large number of Hillary supporters starting talkig about Obama this way, until it was on everyone's mind; how would you Obama supporters like that? You say, you wouldn't like that, that it's bullshit; that's it's unfair, etc.? Then, why has Obama insisted on using Hillary's vote, that allowed Bush to invade Iraq, "ONLY" after he followed congressional and diplomatic efforts to allow weapons observers to fully do their work, and after he sought all possible efforts to achieve peace? Why didn't you defend Hillary against this cheap shot by Obama, when, in fact, his record proves that he's just as devoted to war, just as much of a war monger; that he voted to fund the war in Iraq..twice! You people make me sick.

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A list of the mental illnesses that cause religion:
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Mar 1, 2008 7:19 PM   
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Religion is caused by any one or more of about half a dozen mental illnesses.
The truth about religion can be found in these books:

"The Neuropsychological bases of god beliefs" Dr. Michael A. Persinger MD,
psychiatrist 1987 "Religious people are just like my temporal lobe patients"

"The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bi-Cameral Mind" Julian
Jaynes Professor, Harvard University 1976 "Religious people are just like
schizophrenic patients"

"The Psychiatric Interview in Clinical Practice" Roger A. MacKinnon, M.D.,
Robert Michels, M.D. W. B. Saunders Co. 1971 "Religiosity is a common
symptom [of] schizophrenic patients"

"The God delusion" by Richard Dawkins. "Religion is caused by a kind of
computer virus that infects the living computer, the human brain."

"The Science of Good and Evil" by Michael Shermer, 2004 "Morality and Ethics
are now in the jurisdiction of Science and greatly improved thereby."

Many books in the new science called "Sociobiology": Morals and ethics are
instinctive and they evolved.

"God: The Failed Hypothesis" by Victor Stenger Scientific proof that god does
not exist.

"The God Part of the Brain" by Matthew Alper 1996. "The USA is anomolusly
religious because many early founder groups were religiously insane and fleeing
prosecution in Europe. Religion is a genetic disorder."

"The Accidental Mind" by David J. Linden, 2007 Belknap Press of Harvard
University Press. Religion is caused by the extreme klugeyness of the "designed"
by evolution brain. In particular, the narrative creation system cannot be turned
off. It generates false narratives that are believed by the generating person. This is
seen in experiments done in the laboratory. This book has the best explanation of
resistance to evolution: "There has also been an assumption that if one accepts the
idea that life developed without divine intervention, it necessarily follows that all
aspects of religious thought must be rejected. Those who take this line of
argument to extremes argue that when religious thought is rejected moral and
social codes will degenerate and "the law of the jungle" will be all that is left. It is
imagined by religious fundamentalists that those who do not share their particular
religious faith are incapable of leading moral lives." These suppositions are not
true many times over. Linden later mentions that the creationists [intelligent
design advocates] are exactly 180 degrees wrong rather than just a little wrong.
Being exactly wrong, they are unable to unlearn their error. See Sociobiology or
Sciobio.

"Scientists Confront Intelligent Design and Creationism" edited by Petto &
Godfrey, 2007. The ID and creationist crowd are trying to do away with science.
They see science as a "godless religion." Science is a process, not a religion.

"Manufacturing Belief" by Lewis Wolpert
http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2007/05/15/lewis_wolpert/

"The End of Faith" and "Letter to a Christian Nation" by Sam Harris

"Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon", by Daniel Dennett
Let's do scientific research on religion and find out what causes it.

"Origins of the Modern Mind" by Merlin Donald 1991 "So what did you expect
from a brain that is based on the Chimpanzee brain?

"Atheism, A Case Against God" by George Smith

"God is not Great; how religion poisons everything" by Christopher Hitchens, 2007

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The difference is: Hagee is making more MONEY, the Republican god
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Mar 1, 2008 7:26 PM   
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As a sophomore undergraduate student in Physics, your homework may include
figuring out when the second coming would be required, assuming that the bible
was 100% true in the year zero. That is, when would the bible be down to 50%
true? The popular and professors' answer in 1965 was the year 500. The true
answer: A friend of mine was born and raised in Budapest, Hungary. As an adult,
he came here and stayed. After 25 years, he visited his home town of Budapest.
He was unable to communicate with his high school classmates because the
Hungarian language had changed so much. The correct answer is less than 25
years. The first gospel was not written down until 50 years after the alleged
events and then in a different language. The people who told the story were at
about the same level of civilization as "wild Indians", I mean Native Americans
before Columbus got here. We have all played or seen played the game called
"Telephone" in which a story is passed down a line of re-tellers. By the Sixth re-
telling, the story has no resemblance to the original. The gospel story had to have
been re-told at least 6 times before it was mis-translated the first time. [Note that
whoever wrote it down the first time was free to write whatever he wanted to.
The storytellers were illiterate and unable to check his written text by reading it.
Besides that, he wrote in Greek rather than Aramaic.] Conclusion: There is no
truth anywhere in the bible, and there never was. There is no way to know what
"jesus" or "mohammed" or any other such character actually said or did.

ALL of the jurisdictions that were formerly in the jurisdiction of religion have
been taken over by Science. There is no longer a need to debate the issue.
Religion is an unfortunate side effect of having evolved from a chimpanzee-like
animal in a very brief 6 or 7 million years. "God" will not save us from the
consequences of global warming or an asteroid impact or a tornado because there
is no such critter as "god.".] Ethics and morality are instinctive, not derived from
religion. Female instinct has greater force in morality than male instinct because
the female is in command of the sexual encounter. Look up "Sociobiology". The
origin of the Universe is the subject of Cosmology which is part of astronomy
which is part of the science of physics.
Religion is a SCAM. ANY religion, there are 10,000 to choose from at any one
time. People keep inventing new religions [for the benefit of the "prophet," of
course] and forgetting other religions. ALL preachers, priests, imams, rabbis,
iatolas, etc. belong in jail for "grand theft, bunko type".

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After watching an especially
Posted by: Quannah on Mar 2, 2008 1:39 PM   
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heineous broadcast of Pastor Hagee, villifying Muslims and calling for more war in the middle east, and calling on his followers to vote Republican - all while selling his latest book/dvd - I called the 800 number listed on the screen.

When the operator answered, I asked if they were a tax-exempt group. She said, "Why yes, we're a church." I asked her if their tax-exempt status was in question because of Pastor Hagee's promoting a specific political party? I asked if she was aware that the promotion of Republicans, in his case, encouraging members of his church to vote for a specific political party, had violated the rules governing tax-exempt churches.

She hung up on me.

Why is this hate-monger wrapped in a flag and using Jesus to sell his politics and his books/dvds, still tax exempt?????

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Huckabee was asked this weekend...
Posted by: Quannah on Mar 2, 2008 7:47 PM   
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about what he thought of the uproar over Pastor Hagee's endorsement of John McCain. He said:

"I only wish he would have given me his endorsement!"

Wolf Blitzer laughed.

No wonder we're going to hell in a handbasket!

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