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If It Isn't Obama's Race Being Attacked, Then It's His Religion

Posted by Steve Benen, The Carpetbagger Report at 11:58 AM on March 13, 2008.


When he’s not falsely being accused of being a secret Muslim, Obama is also being accused of cozying up to an extremist Christian pastor.
Rev. Wright (Obama's Pastor) on Hillary

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In the new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll (.pdf), respondents were asked, “Do you know what Barack Obama’s religion is?” About 37% got it right, and said Obama’s a Protestant. The more discouraging news was that 13% said they know Obama’s faith, and identified him as a Muslim. (It was the second most common response to the poll question.) Even more discouraging still, the number of people who believe Obama’s a Muslim is going up — in a WSJ/NBC poll from December, only 8% of Americans made the same mistake.



I still hear this all the time from people, who presumably have received the lying chain email, who are convinced that Obama’s a Muslim — and they couldn’t possibly bring themselves to vote for someone who is. It’s a routine reminder that the Obama campaign has some educating to do.

The frustrating part, of course, is that while conservatives (and even a few liberals) are confused about Obama’s faith tradition, he’s actually getting hit on matters of religion from two directions. When he’s not falsely being accused of being a secret Muslim, Obama is also being accused of cozying up to an extremist Christian pastor.

Sen. Barack Obama’s pastor says blacks should not sing “God Bless America” but “God damn America.”
The Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama’s pastor for the last 20 years at the Trinity United Church of Christ on Chicago’s south side, has a long history of what even Obama’s campaign aides concede is “inflammatory rhetoric,” including the assertion that the United States brought on the 9/11 attacks with its own “terrorism.”
In a campaign appearance earlier this month, Sen. Obama said, “I don’t think my church is actually particularly controversial.” He said Rev. Wright “is like an old uncle who says things I don’t always agree with,” telling a Jewish group that everyone has someone like that in their family.

There are plenty of disconcerting remarks included in Wright’s record, but I guess there’s a political upside for Obama: he can’t be a Muslim and a Christian with a radical pastor at the same time.
Not surprisingly, far-right blogs (and a couple of the more intense Democratic Obama detractors) are pretty worked up about Rev. Wright’s rhetoric, which, by any reasonable measure, is mostly on the fringe.

An ABC News review of dozens of Rev. Wright’s sermons, offered for sale by the church, found repeated denunciations of the U.S. based on what he described as his reading of the Gospels and the treatment of black Americans.
“The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing ‘God Bless America.’ No, no, no, God damn America, that’s in the Bible for killing innocent people,” he said in a 2003 sermon. “God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme.”

I suppose the reflexive response would be to argue that if John McCain’s embrace of John Hagee and Rod Parsley are offensive, then Obama’s connection to Wright is just as bad.

Perhaps, but there is a key difference — Obama has denounced Wright’s more extreme statements and made clear he “deeply disagrees” with the offensive remarks. McCain prefers to pretend that Hagee’s and Parsley’s extremism is innocuous and barely worth commenting on.



Nevertheless, expect to hear quite a bit more about Jeremiah Wright. It might cause the number of people who believe Obama’s a Muslim to go down, but it may simultaneously drive the number of people who believe Obama’s a Christian black nationalist to go up.

When it’s not race, it’s religion. Ferraro’s out, Wright’s in.


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Steve Benen is a freelance writer/researcher and creator of The Carpetbagger Report. In addition, he is the lead editor of Salon.com's Blog Report, and has been a contributor to Talking Points Memo, Washington Monthly, Crooks & Liars, The American Prospect, and the Guardian.


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More Hypocrisy from the Bigot Contingent
Posted by: Kym525 on Mar 13, 2008 1:59 PM   
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Isn't it telling that both Rev. Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson blamed 9/11 on the gays and the abortionists. We also had Bob Jones University, which until it was exposed, had rules against interracial dating (and I'm willing to be they still frown upon it in spite of having changed their stance publicly). There's also lunatic fringe Fred Phelps, who with members of his congregation, protest at the funerals of our fallen soldiers with signs that say "God Hates Fags", "Fags Burn in Hell" and "God Hates America". He believes that our soldiers are dying because America "tolerates" homosexuality. McCain has support and "spiritual guidance" from John Hagee (who hates Catholics) and Ron Parsley (who hates Islam).

If I wasn't an Obama supporter before, I would definitely become one now because this nonsense proves just how scared some members of this society are at the prospect of a black man running a positive campaign that many respect. They cannot attack him on policy and the issues, so like the scum-sucking parasites they are, they'd rather go after his pastor (as if any white church is free from radicalism and prejudice). By the way, on Obama's website, there is a testimonial from white attendees of his church, who have nothing but glowing praise for Rev. Wright.

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Alternet also judging Wright
Posted by: ceti on Mar 13, 2008 2:20 PM   
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Alternet is proving that white liberalism still doesn't get it about how deeply embedded racism in America.

I cannot dispute a single fact in listening to Wright's sermons. He has a quirky preacher man delivery, but what he says is brave for this country, calling it to account for its own actions, failures, and hypocrisies.

However as MLK noted long ago:

I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Councilor or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says, "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another mans freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro the wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating that absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

- Martin Luther King, Letter from a Birmingham Jail, 1963

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» Martin Luther King... Posted by: Bearzerker
» RE: Martin Luther King... Posted by: Quannah
So what if he is muslim?
Posted by: radiomorning on Mar 13, 2008 2:42 PM   
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It makes no difference to me if you are a muslim or a christian. I can only hope that Obama only goes to church because he knows Americans don't elect freethinkers, and he has to keep up appearances.

If the news media is going to keep having this discussion about 'is he isn't he a muslim', or 'who's calling him a muslim now', it ought also to address the bigotry rampant in America towards muslims, and stop taking part in it. It's sick how everyone is so offended by bigotry against one group and not another.

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» RE: Who says he's Muslim? Posted by: Longdream
Is it me?
Posted by: Longdream on Mar 13, 2008 3:35 PM   
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I don't find anything offensive about anything Rev. Wright says.

I would be astounded if anyone on AlterNet found such things even surprising--we write worse here every single day. At least I do, and I throw in more cuss words.

I hate to jump on the obvious bandwagon, but Reverend Wright sounds like a peacemaker compared to his white, politically motivated counterparts who foam at the mouth with vicious invective against their targeted victims. They, of course, disgrace their cloth when they do so, in spite of what they would tell you.

Reverend Wright is just the sort of clergyman I like, and when I'm next in Chicago (my favorite city, outside of my home town) I'm going to ask permission to hear his service. Ironically, at one time in her life, I think Hillary Clinton would have appreciated him, too. She's a good Methodist from Illinois, and Methodist ministers also have a way of being pointed about injustice.

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» RE: Is it me? Posted by: koolwoman
» RE: Not so Kool. Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Is it me? Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Is it me? Posted by: Quannah
Dude
Posted by: happyhermit on Mar 13, 2008 5:41 PM   
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He sounds cool. He's hysterical and pretty much right. Fox just likes to show images of black people 'goin all crazE.'

i was just watching the o'reilly factor and they were constantly cutting to these images of wright. the guy o'reilly was interviewing was saying, as if he wasn't dictating the perception of most of the people watching his own show, "how will people respond to this, should john mccain bring it up?" and the guy said, "no. he doesn't have to. you do."

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» RE: Dude Posted by: Longdream
This church was Obama's largest charitable beneficiary. $20K
Posted by: Bogus11 on Mar 13, 2008 8:05 PM   
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There are dozens of these sermons? It is not an isolated incident.

You go to a church for spiritual leadership and education and because it is aligned with your values.

Shouldn't we be concerned about a man that studied under this teacher for 20 years and paid up to $20,000 in a year to support his efforts?

He raised his children under this weekly teaching.

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» Reverse Racism? Hogwash! Posted by: buffeliscious
» RE: Truly Un-Kool. Posted by: Longdream
And the setup continues...
Posted by: wagadog on Mar 13, 2008 8:48 PM   
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Obama did not rise to the race-bait. He did not become the "angry black man." He would not identify Ferraro's comments as racist, but rather identified them as "ridiculous" and left it at that.

But because he did not play the expected part in the race-baiting script, they found a surrogate to play the part they needed.

And so we'll see a lot of wingnuts just putting pictures of Obama next to this guy combined with endless sanctimonious pontification on the importance of the pastor in all aspects of ones' life.

And Hill's non-apology apology just happened to bring up two previous African American presidential candidates. But, interestingly, only the male ones . No mention of Angela Davis or Cynthia McKinney in there. Some feminist, that Hil.

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» RE: Snort! Posted by: Longdream
ONE DAY!!!!!!!!
Posted by: lisa lynn on Mar 14, 2008 6:06 AM   
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I CAN ONLY HOPE AMERICA WAKES UP, THIS GUY IS NO SAINT HE HAS BEEN INFLUENCED BY THIS MAN AND OTHER!!!! FOR 20YRS. NOW IS THERE ANY DOUBT ABOUT HIS WIFE'S PAST STATMENT!! FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE I'M PROUD OF MY COUNTRY,ALL THIS IS A ROUSE, HE IS NOT ONE OF US.

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» RE: ONE DAY!!!!!!!! Posted by: wagadog
» RE: ONE DAY!!!!!!!! Posted by: Quannah
» HOLY SHIT CAPS LOCK Posted by: meetmeineleusis
Is Obama a member of a bad church? Is his pastor really anti-American?
Posted by: justaperson on Mar 14, 2008 6:43 AM   
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Most of my life I have avoided churches of any kind because all too often they teach division--division between sects, division between "saved" and unsaved, the good, the bad, etc, etc.

As for the affect on kids, the Christian message includes nailing some guy to the cross. My Italian grandmother idolized a statue of Christ with blood running down his face, another had him holding his bloody heart outside his body. If that ain't scarey shit, I don't know what is. As a kid, the gore made me sick. It horrified me. As an adult, it horrified me. The idea that there was some kind of malevolent God somewhere who was capable of hating people so much he would punish them by burning them forever in some fiery pit wasn't exactly teaching me love and forgiveness either.

The message Obama's preacher offers to his congregation has to tbe taken in context. White people want the race issue to be swept under the rug, to pretend it is "over". The complex feelings they have when confronted by someone angry AND black is a holdover from past fears. It's imbedded within us because of the knowledge of what our forefathers did to their forefathers. Denial only makes it worse. The same is true for African Americans too. Their anger at the white race is after all based on more than 200 years of unbearable suffering. Some healing has occured. Not all black people feel rage toward white people and not all white people think African Americans are inferior sub-humans anymore. The two races are coming together more, but this hasn't happened because of denial. It has come through honest dialogue and people opening their hearts and minds to a better future.

As white people we can afford to try to forget the racial injustices of the past because no atrocities happened to us during the years of slavery. African Americans are however still dealing with the trauma and wounds, and they know racial, economic, and social justice are still only a dream for many people. A more realistic dream perhaps than in Dr. King's day, but being white today still equates money, education and power, and being Black still usually means poor, uneducated, and rejected.

We keep it that way. We don't look at it. But Black people in America knows it's still there.

Taken the history of being Black in America, the fact that this church discusses present day and past racial injustices that are glaringly apparent could be seen as healing. That's kind of hard for us white peo0ple to understand.

The real question is what else does Obama's church preach? How is it that a gentle soul like Obama doesn't reflect the white hot anger of his over the top preacher?

Could it be because in spite of his fury at the injustice in America and some of this country's most recent behaviors-like illegal war and torture--the man is a good man.

Not everyone who has ever thought,"Damn America" is evil. I've thought it myself many times during the Bush invasion and again during the torture. My negative thoughts weren't really aimed toward my beloved country, of course. They were meant to refute the negative death machine in Washington that was intent on invading a country for merely for political adavantage. So what if many thousands of innocent people would die? So what if our noble troops were being brainwashed into thinking it was okay for them to torture another human being, not one that hand been convicted of a crime, mind you, just one that was "suspected" of a crime.

This issue will be very difficult for Obama supporters to deal with, but if nothing else people are having to wake up and think about things they haven't thought about or discussed for years.

In my book that's always a good thing.

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Don't Blame Wright for What Bush Did
Posted by: SEDGFLD on Mar 14, 2008 7:31 AM   
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I understand where the author is coming from but he is engaging in the same type of ego stroking that extremists have become masters at doing.
Americans follow those who tell them that they are the epitomy of all that's just and right. They then reward those perpetuating this fantasy by giving them political support through both action and inaction. This administration was trying to bait Hussein into a war just like what has been done to others whom it felt didn't tow its financial and political lines. Americans, in a large part, voluntarily unaware about what's happening in this country and in the world, went and goes along with this madness and then expect to be thanked for doing so.
An adult is just like a child when it comes to wrongdoing in that bad behavior will be repeated and will get worse if there are no consequences for acting out.

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Just to throw this out there as a theory
Posted by: happyhermit on Mar 14, 2008 7:44 AM   
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It seems possible---maybe a hunch that i have---that obama is not a serious christrian. it's obvious that anyone wanting to become the leader of the free world would benefit from stating that they passionately believe that out of billions of galaxies in the world god came here and focused on us and let his son come down to earth to die for us because two naked people ate an apple. but, as far as my hunch goes, obama seems to me that he'd be pretty skeptical of all this stuff.

as a community organizer, he probably felt the need to join a community church in order to tap into its social networks and pulses. and also, this church in particular, to compensate for any not-black-enough-ness others made him feel throughout his life.

i'm not saying that he should say this or anything, and that it matters at all as far as the republicans are concerned. i just think it might be true.

also, i live in chicago and think i'm going to go see this guy.

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» RE: Shucks! Posted by: Longdream
My Perspective...
Posted by: dave16 on Mar 14, 2008 8:34 AM   
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Please see www.discussrace.com

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Objectivity Missing
Posted by: gabbyone on Mar 14, 2008 9:29 AM   
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Where is objectivity in these arguments.
Ferraro was practically run out of town by
one comment. Rev. Wright is spewing continual
speech which contributes to a huge racial divide on a regular basis and Obama supporters
say it's OK with them. If Hillary had a minister who spoke in this way, would you all
be saying it's OK with you.....I doubt it.
I was a huge Obama supporter and worked for him when he ran for the Senate. Very little was known about him then and he faced a very
easy race for the Senate. Being President is
crucial now because we are in a mess, not only in the country but in the world and we need to examine everything he has done and participated in to take the true measure of the
man. Obama supporters demand that of Hillary and instead of being so angry when negatives are brought out about Obama, they should ask themselves, "if someone said this about Hillary would I find fault with it? If the answer is yes, at least be objective enough to exam your candidate too.

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» RE: Objectivity Missing? Posted by: Longdream
Barack Obama just adds diversity to our Democracy ---
Posted by: symcokid on Mar 14, 2008 10:06 AM   
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and besides Thomas Jefferson had a Muslim in his cabinet so we should welcome a Muslim President in this modern day without qualm. He simply has to have a little "on the job training" and I'm sure he will lead us to bigger and better things just like all the rest of our heroic leaders!

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» RE: GET YOUR PROPAGANDIST SHIT Posted by: Longdream
» RE: GET YOUR PROPAGANDIST SHIT Posted by: Longdream
» You go too far, longdream Posted by: andabottleof_rum
» RE: Nah. Posted by: Longdream
Deb
Posted by: debmcd on Mar 14, 2008 11:21 AM   
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51% of Americans in 2004 voted for a liar and muderer for president but are afraid to vote for a Muslim? Those people really do need to get out more. The right wing of America is so stupid and afraid that they could actually lose the White House that they will say anything even if it contradicts what they said just the day before. They can't let the White House fall into the hands of anybody who will find out what they've been doing for the past 7 years. This just proves how far they are willing to sink into dung just to win an election. I used to vote for the best candidate whether Democrat or Republican. Now I wouldn't vote Republican if they waterboarded me.

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» RE: Who would he Muslim be Posted by: Longdream
» RE: NOT EVERYONE. JUST YOU. Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Just because I'm paranoid Posted by: Longdream
This is just the beginning
Posted by: willymack on Mar 14, 2008 11:49 AM   
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Before it's all over we'll discover Obama is really a bug-eyed monster from outer space, intent on ravaging all our women and eating all our children. The Turdblossom rumor mill is working overtime, and I hope they don't read this post, because they may use my idea. Maybe some of us should start some rumors about mcbush.

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It's obvious.
Posted by: Longdream on Mar 14, 2008 4:48 PM   
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Not a single person on this thread has ever been to a church which is predominantly African-American, and listened to the preacher preach.

I highly recommend it, just for the experience itself. After you come back outside, you'll feel a little differently about Pastor Wright, and maybe other things too.

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» RE: It's obvious. Posted by: macdon1
» RE: It's obvious. Posted by: Quannah
Telling it like it is
Posted by: macdon1 on Mar 14, 2008 8:10 PM   
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I rather enjoyed listening to Pastor Wright. He certainly can get your blood moving when it comes to injustice and that is a good thing in my book. If Jesus was here today he most assuredly would have curly black hair and brown skin and get hassled by the local police on a regular basis. Americans need to face up to reality. This country is a good ol'boys'club run by rich white men for the benefit of other rich white men. When are average people going to wake up and stop voting against their own interests? I'm not a black person but rich white men don't represent my best interests. How about you??

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Prophets call to Account
Posted by: GPFrank on Mar 14, 2008 8:13 PM   
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The sermons of the Rev. Wright are in the traditions of the old prophets calling the nation to account, to raise the critical faculties of the hearers so that the immoralities within the person and within the nation can be remedied and overcome. In my time I heard ministers like that. The inside of the church is considered by such prophets the place of holiness, where nothing less than the good is sought. That good, that truth has no location, country, political party, material object of possession, or individual whether or not in any political office.

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yes
Posted by: macdon1 on Mar 14, 2008 8:18 PM   
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It's an amazing thing to be filled with the Spirit. They could use a little more of that in Congress.

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» RE: Hmmmmm Posted by: Longdream
HERE'S A SMALL HINT
Posted by: Longdream on Mar 15, 2008 4:53 AM   
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that there are propagadists and trolls among us,

When a person posts a rejoinder to a racist comment, or posts a comment in subtle or overt support of Obama, there's a propagandist in the woodwork who will rate it a "1'.

They think that the numbers are something we actually give a crap about. We're supposed to say "Oh, no! Everybody thinks I'm wrong! I'd better re-think this!

With me at this point, that "1" is a badge of honor, and I wear it on my posts like a ribbon!

The Clintonist whores and Death Party snakes on this thread are banging this one: Obama's a Muslim, so what? A Muslim President would be great!

Leave their "1" ratings alone, and don't rate them at all. You'll know us reasonable people by our "1"'s

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» RE: HERE'S A SMALL HINT Posted by: Quannah
» RE: HERE'S A SMALL HINT Posted by: YogiBear
Gender?
Posted by: Metisgirl on Mar 16, 2008 9:35 PM   
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Unfortunately, Wright doesn't take into account Hillary's struggles as a woman in the political system and that is what I find offensive. He needs to think about gender analysis; "iron my shirt" indeed! His comments on 9/11 are true though. As a Canadian, I find it very puzzling that a candidate's religion is so important.But,that said, Prime Minister Stephen Harper is a Christian Bush lite-truly scary!

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