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Was Britain Wrong in Banning Right-Wing Shock Jock Michael Savage?

Posted by Steve Benen, Washington Monthly at 8:32 AM on May 6, 2009.


Savage was included on a list of hate preachers and anti-gay protesters, but what about civil liberties in a modern democracy?
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I can vaguely understand why these measures might be tempting, but it's developments like these that remind me why U.S. civil liberties are worth appreciating.

The British government on Tuesday named 16 people who have been banned from entering Britain for "fostering extremism or hatred," including Muslim extremists, a former Ku Klux Klan grand wizard, a U.S. radio talk show host and a Kansas preacher.

Home Secretary Jacqui Smith, who is responsible for domestic security, said she decided to make the names public to show the kind of behavior that Britain is "not willing to have in this country."

The list includes six Americans. Perhaps the most prominent is Michael Savage, a nationally syndicated conservative radio host who has made controversial remarks about immigrants and Muslims, such as urging Americans to "burn the Mexican flag on your street corner" and saying that "when I see a woman walking around with a burqa, I see a Nazi."

Among the other Americans on the list are former Klan leader Stephen Donald Black and Fred Phelps, the radical anti-gay preacher best known for picketing funerals.

"Coming to the U.K. is a privilege and I refuse to extend that privilege to individuals who abuse our standards and values to undermine our way of life," Home Secretary Jacqui Smith said in a statement. "Therefore, I will not hesitate to name and shame those who foster extremist views as I want them to know that they are not welcome here."

At first blush, this is understandable. These extremists are truly loathsome, spewing ugly and ridiculous ideas, based on a twisted and deranged worldview.

But I'm still not at all comfortable with these kinds of bans. It's not about defending right-wing lunatics; it's about the basics of civil liberties in a modern democracy.

It's not all right for a government to target individuals based on their public comments and ideology. As Oliver Willis noted, "If you ban certain types of speech, as the UK, Canada, and Germany do in one form or another, all it does is lend strength to the hatemongers. It tells them and their supporters that their speech is so powerful the government has to specifically restrict it."

I don't want to see clowns like Savage censored, I want to see the sun work as a disinfectant, exposing him as a nut. I much prefer a free society that rejects or rewards speech based on its merit.

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Tagged as: civil liberties, britain, shock jock, michael savage

Steve Benen is "blogger in chief" of the popular Washington Monthly online blog, Political Animal. His background includes publishing The Carpetbagger Report, and writing for a variety of publications, including Talking Points Memo, The American Prospect, the Huffington Post, and The Guardian. He has also appeared on NPR's "Talk of the Nation," MSNBC's "Rachel Maddow Show," Air America Radio's "Sam Seder Show," and XM Radio's "POTUS '08."


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Hey, I would ban him from THIS country if I could!
Posted by: left_witch on May 6, 2009 8:43 AM   
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I would love to see Michael Weiner become "a man without a country," and perhaps become a man who could only live in airports, because he can't step foot anywhere. Maybe he can live in the International Space Station! He's taking up valuable space, breathing valuable air that could be used for deserving people.

Good for Britain!

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» Or he could live at Guantanamo! Posted by: QQOblivion
News For Steve Benen
Posted by: QQOblivion on May 6, 2009 8:55 AM   
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News for the author: The US DOES ban certain people from entering, most notably some foreign academics who have DARED to write in favor of Palestinian rights.

So much for the US being a "modern democracy", huh?

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On 2nd Thought, Savage and Phelps SHOULDN'T Be Banned
Posted by: QQOblivion on May 6, 2009 9:20 AM   
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Now that I have rethought my position, I say, let the hateful f***ers into the UK!

I am not sure about the UK specifically. But Europe as a whole has more restrictions on hate-speech that the US does.

Let Savage Weiner and Fred Phelps spout their evil crap over there. Maybe they will end up in prison as a result!

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on NPR
Posted by: GregS on May 6, 2009 9:34 AM   
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I was listening to NPR while gardening yesterday and I heard the segment where they were talking to Savage about the ban. As most people could predict, he ranted a bit, then flipped out over the first caller, then hung up. You can listen here: http://tinyurl.com/djjd5a.

I cannot stand Savage, Hannity, Limbaugh, and similar wingnuts, but I do agree that dealing with their wacko rants is preferable to silencing voices. I am just saddened to think of how many people enjoy listening to their rants filled with insults, intolerance, and veiled hints at violence.

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On one hand
Posted by: AJB on May 6, 2009 10:10 AM   
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On one hand, I agree that officially "silencing" hatemongers usually just galvanizes their audiences. On the other, I recognize that the political culture of the UK is VERY different from that of the US or Canada, and we all know what can happen - in biological terms - when a foreign organism is introduced into a new ecosystem. There's just enough wistful-for-empire angst and poverty-inspired xenophobia in the UK to potentially provide a major groundswell of support for Savage's far-right BS. I'm not sure that it's responsible of the UK to let people like Savage run around preaching to an audience that is not used to his hysterical fallacies; they don't have the critical lenses to be able to sift through his crap because they haven't been exposed to it the way that Americans have (and, may I point out, that doesn't stop his listeners from buying in...).

I never believe that "banning" is the best course of action, any more than I believe that governments should filter what people say or hear. But I do understand a separate society looking objectively at a neighbour and saying, "You know that weed problem you have in your garden? I don't think I want you bringing any of those weeds over to my house, even if my daughter asks you to."

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Works only with a politically informed electorate
Posted by: nobyjingo on May 7, 2009 6:00 AM   
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Whenever a government has chosen to make an uninformed electorate, that government will choose to ban free speech, in various forms. For any form of democracy, a government must have an informed electorate that can talk politics with ease, which means teaching real politics in school along with reading, writing, history, English and mathematics, so that common people aren't deceived into thinking they are the conservative right, and will be able and not fear to try to understand the actions of their legislators in the Congresses of their country.

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Privileges not the same as rights
Posted by: dion415 on May 7, 2009 9:49 AM   
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I agree with the British official. Entry to a sovereign country by a non-citizen is a privilege, not a right. A nation has a right to decide what guests it will welcome, and undesirable types like Savage should be excluded by any decent nation that has a choice. We're stuck with these guys. They're from here, but Britain doesn't have to let them come there and make money while spreading hate throughout their society.

I would be critical if Britain banned the free speech of one of its own citizens, but they have a right to protect themselves from social diseases like Savage and the others.

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a land of ghettos, criminalized vice & militarized drug wars
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on May 7, 2009 11:11 AM   
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with a culture of disrespect & 'violence solves everything'...
a culture that created TWO global economic meltdowns that will injure or kill millions...

has a Liberal article examining IF ANOTHER COUNTRY WAS 'CORRECT' to ban hatemongerers?

wow. that takes some fucking bollocks, doesn't it?

I don't know if I *agree* that there should be limits to free speech.

But I believe that if Britain wants to keep hatemongerers out of the country, that HER BUSINESS.

Britain has a *much* more respectful & collaborative culture than the USA
(example, US version of the tv show - 'JunkYard Wars' was about in-your-face competition & barely concealed hostility for 'good conflict-based tv'.
The *original* is British. 'ScrapHeap Challenge' was about working class trades persons & engineering *collaboration* & innovation more than insults, cheating & direct competition)
I draw your attention to the behaviour of American Ultimate Fighter contestants in the last few years, compared to the behaviour of the current UK UF contestants. 'nuff said. *Respect* & teambuilding are *very different* animals in these nations.
Whereas the US prefers blind, testosterone-fueled 'marines', the UK tends to be more accepting of the fact that **THEY LIVE IN A SMALL ISLAND, where being an asshole means its harder to move away when you've overstepped yourself**
(with the exception of blind-drunk football hooligans, which are generally also gang-fueled)

Canada was recently pushed by ReichWing elements to bar Scottish MP George Galloway as a 'supporter of terrorism' because he gave humanitarian aid funding to Hamas (link= video of Galloway's speech beamed to Canadian audiences).
He is now suing the asshat government official, Jason Kenny, who to caved to US-backed Zionist agencies that made these demands.

Bear in mind, that the US & Israel also pressured Canada to remove them from the *entirely correct* Canadian embassy guidelines report on 'torturing nations' which was intended so consular & CSIS staff would be on the lookout for signs of intimidation or abuse on detained Canadians. Given that TWO Canadians have (to date) been tortured by American agencies... this was a stunning outcome for humanist, progressive Canadian citizens.


If we wish to discuss whether Britain was 'correct' to do *what is entirely in keeping with her culture*, perhaps we should ask WHY it occurred...

...not if it is acceptable to American culture?



The fact remains, Britain is a *much* older culture, with a richer heritage in tribal relationships & social structures.
If they decide *that ugly hate isn't appropriate to let walk into their territory, that's their bloody business*

I think we all know how ugly & hate-filled those ReichWing bastards are... if you don't want them beamed into YOUR home, why do you think its appropriate to cast aspersions on the choices of an entire society to do the same?


perspective, people.


Perspective.

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The United States has done the same thing
Posted by: No.mad on May 7, 2009 7:23 PM   
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Remember when Cat Stevens tried to get into the US a couple years ago? The US has a list. The UK's list was secret, but it seems our list was first.

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