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Do Republicans Believe Their Own Bullsh*t?

Posted by Steve Benen, Washington Monthly at 7:55 AM on March 4, 2009.


When Republican officials repeat obvious falsehoods, are they deliberately trying to deceive, or are they just woefully confused?

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It's the subject of perennial debate: when Republican officials repeat obvious falsehoods, are they deliberately trying to deceive, or are they just woefully confused?

While there are compelling cases to be made for each side, once in a while we get strong evidence for the latter. For example, Dick Spotswood, a California-based columnist, visited Washington, D.C., last week, and spent some time on Capitol Hill. He shared this tidbit (via Kos) from his notebook:

Met with Republican Rep. Mary Bono Mack from Riverside County's Coachella Valley. While a social moderate, Sonny Bono's widow is a solid conservative. Talked to her about Obama's $780 billion stimulus legislation. She's outraged that the plan has "$1 billion wasted on a magnetic-levitation train from L.A. to Sin City" -- all at Nevada Sen. Harry Reid's doing.

After expressing my doubt that the Las Vegas line was actually in the bill's language, Bono Mack directs her staff to "get him the bill, it's right there, show him." A few minutes later, a staffer emerges with a copy and quietly says "it's not in the bill."

Now, I'm sure that was embarrassing for the congresswoman, but it's nevertheless an illustrative moment. Rep. Bono Mack probably heard somewhere -- cloakroom, Fox News, Limbaugh -- that this HSR project is real, and she assumed she'd been told the truth. If Spotswood's anecdote is accurate, she was certain it was true. Bono Mack wasn't lying to the columnist; she just didn't know what she was talking about.

It's hard to say if Bono Mack is typical of her caucus, but if she is, imagine how much better the political system would function if Republicans simply stopped believing their own misguided propaganda?

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Tagged as: republicans, gop, propaganda, conservatives, harry reid, mary bono, sonny bono

Steve Benen is "blogger in chief" of the popular Washington Monthly online blog, Political Animal. His background includes publishing The Carpetbagger Report, and writing for a variety of publications, including Talking Points Memo, The American Prospect, the Huffington Post, and The Guardian. He has also appeared on NPR's "Talk of the Nation," MSNBC's "Rachel Maddow Show," Air America Radio's "Sam Seder Show," and XM Radio's "POTUS '08."


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I've never thought that Bush or Cheney were "liars"
Posted by: Defenestrator on Mar 4, 2009 8:14 AM   
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Much scarier than a liar is someone who believes the BS he says. And who does not have the intellectual curiosity to challenge pre-existing ideas. I think most- if not all- Republicans REALLY BELIEVE that the proper response to an economic crisis is to slash spending, that we can bomb other people into freedom, that diplomacy is for pussies, etc, etc.

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Deceit is a Core Value of Republicans
Posted by: AlexaD on Mar 4, 2009 8:29 AM   
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Regardless of its source, deceit has been a core value of Republicans for quite some time now. They've perverted the Republican Party Reagan created into what we have today.

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Ask LIEberman about Lies & political parties
Posted by: weathered on Mar 4, 2009 8:43 AM   
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Repubs/Dems both Lie they have to.

A coup went down on 9/12 - all bets are off.

Still stuck in the depths of denial? Turn-off the TV, put down the newspaper, America was critically wounded on 9/11, our spirit got crushed in its own rubble.

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Of Course the Repugs Know They're Lying
Posted by: Old Uncle Dave on Mar 4, 2009 9:17 AM   
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Repeating a lie is a tried and true propaganda technique. The success of the 9/11 coverup proved a significant % of the electorate will believe anything.

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I don't think this is an "Either -- Or" thing. It's BOTH.
Posted by: Quannah on Mar 4, 2009 9:29 AM   
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I believe there are some Republics who are so stupid that they just go along with what they're told without any first-hand knowledge. (Like Mary Bono in the story.)

Then there are those who create the lies who KNOW they are lies, and do their damndest to sell them as "truth."

Either way, both groups are despicable... even if for different reasons.

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Are you kidding me?
Posted by: jeffnc on Mar 4, 2009 9:33 AM   
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Republicans like Mary Bono Mack don't believe any of the shit they talk. The eternal GOP hope is lying and not getting caught. From 1979 till about 10 minutes ago, it was working great.

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MAYBE THEY'RE JUST LAZY
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Mar 4, 2009 1:01 PM   
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They do believe themselves and each other because it's easier than coming up with an original thought and running the risk of being wrong or even challenged by someone else. The women all get that "Church Lady" look on their faces. But they don't seem able to take a side or make a stand. I guess that's why they have Rush, and I don't. ANNA

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Thank God for Democratic Truth Tellers
Posted by: James W. Harris on Mar 5, 2009 8:31 AM   
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Yeah, those evil GOPers are liars or gullible dupes. There's no doubt about it.

I'm just so glad the Obama administration is defending our civil liberties (oh wait, never mind that FISA vote, and the recent siding with Bush on protecting state secrets), getting us out of Iraq (except its gonna take a bit longer than promised, and he's leaving 50,000 troops, including combat troops, behind), and rethinking the War on Pot (oh, wait, sorry about that).

Yeah, it's so good to have those trustworthy honest Democrats in power now. We can all go back to sleep. Oh, I forgot.... most of us already were.

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Ship of Fools.
Posted by: monkeywrench on Mar 5, 2009 8:55 AM   
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"Bono Mack wasn't lying to the columnist; she just didn't know what she was talking about."
. . . . . .

"Didn't know what she (he, they) was talking about" pretty much explains all of the Republican party these days (and a few of the Democrats as well.) Conservatives are so fanatical and so desperate to push their failed ideology, no matter what, that they will tolerate thousands of stupid utterances like Bono Mack's, and they will send out an egotistical, pontificating weasel like Newt Gingrich to claim, with complete conviction, that the only way to solve the worldwide economic collapse is to dump Obama's plan and bring back the Republican policies that, after EIGHT YEARS OF FAILURE, produced the collapse in the first place!

This borders on mental illness. As I listen day after day to this kind of drivel, aided and abetted by a stenographer "news" media whose owners are eager not to have their profitable corporate boats rocked by change, I have been trying to decide whether we have all been transferred to a Kafka universe, or whether much of what we call our "leadership" is, in fact, crazy. Examples like that revealed in this article answer the question; but, along with "crazy," I would have to add "grossly incompetent" to the diagnosis. That someone responsible for the lives and well being of thousands of constituents would not even bother to fact-check opinion-influencing information before simply parroting the bullsh*t to whomever will listen, simply because it augments already-held delusional beliefs, makes that person unfit for public office (of course, if we were to enforce this standard, congress would have only about 50 seated members or so ... if that many).

At a time when we need all the creative, rational, problem solving intellectual discipline we can get to head off probable social and environmental collapse, it is both inconsolably saddening and immeasurably infuriating that what we are stuck with for "leaders" are fools, crooks, egotists, and, overseeing them all, the mentally deranged. The few rational individuals who find themselves in this "maelstrom of morons" risk every day being swept away and/or drowned, which makes their already difficult jobs that much harder.

What can we passengers do to wrestle our "Ship of Fools" away from the lunatics still trying to grab the helm?

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REPUBLICANS DO Deliberately Deceive
Posted by: nobyjingo on Mar 5, 2009 9:55 AM   
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The Republican Party represents a very, very, very small minority of big business, big corporations and the elite. Republicans do not in any way represent the majority common population, therefore Republicans do deliberately deceive to get the proletariat's common population cuckolds to represent them, also called the "lumpen-proletariat", the more the Republicans can fool (lumpens), the bigger the Republican Party appears, but the only ones being actually represented by Republican Party politicians are big business, big corporations and the elite. Sad, but true.

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