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Goodbye to Bill Maher

Posted by Lakshmi Chaudhry at 12:18 PM on October 20, 2005.


Why I won't be watching this funny guy's show any more.

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Dear Bill,

Last night I decided to never watch your show again. It's true that I've never been a huge fan. Unlike, say, Jon Stewart, your comic skills tend to be erratic --a weak stand-up routine rescued by a real gift for spontaneous repartee and, more recently, the exceedingly funny New Rules segment that plays to your strengths. These strengths being an eye for the absurd and a fiercely uncompromising point of view. That kind of self-conviction and irreverence do best in black-and-white debates, where right and wrong can be neatly identified and attacked, as with the policies of our present administration. This is what makes your show eminently watch-able.

You've never been much of a thinker, almost always substituting rambunctious opinion for analysis. Subtlety and nuance can indeed be overrated, but so is dogmatism disguised as irreverence. It's a flaw that rears its ugly head any time you venture into what are also unfortunately among your favorite subjects: women and foreign policy.

For years, I watched with amusement as you greeted female guests on the "Politically Incorrect" show with a string of absurd monikers: baby-doll, darling, sweetheart, and so on. My friends and I would place bets on which clunker you'd pick next: five bucks the former ambassador earns herself a "honey." Yes, many of your comments about women were sexist, but also painfully transparent, like the faux machismo of a recovering dork. All those angry cracks about money-grubbing, shallow women made me wonder just how bad high school was for you.

As for foreign policy, I've never been terribly impressed by your opposition to the war in Iraq. So you hate the war, as does the Cato Institute. That's nice but I don't plan to give them money any time soon. Yet unlike Cato, you emerged not just as a potential ally but a bona fide hero of the progressive left the moment P. I. was knocked off the air after 9/11. As did anybody who was anybody that got in trouble for speaking their mind in that climate of fear. Bill Maher, Susan Sontag, same difference. Your well-refined hatred of Bush and position on Iraq just sealed the deal.

But there is a difference between you and Sontag, a woman dedicated to the very things you disdain in your thinking: commitment to a set of clearly articulated but, more importantly, carefully applied values of justice, freedom and democracy. And she opposed the Bush administration's post-9/11 policies, including the war, from that position. Your antiwar sentiment, however, is rooted in less morally fertile ground, which includes a contempt for Arabs that sounds near-racist. 'Sounds' is the word I use because I hesitate to characterize a man's character based on a public persona adopted strictly for the purposes of entertainment. Unlike Bush and Harriet Miers, I do not know your heart.

Truth is, as a television viewer, I'm not particularly interested in your heart. In choosing to stop watching your show, I've simply decided to avoid tuning into this kind of drivel for the sake of my own viewing pleasure and sanity:

MAHER: Yes, and what bothers me, as they're having this vote, is, for the amount of money we've spent -- $200 billion more and 2,000 lives gone – I think we should have more of a say in who runs this country. And this is my choice—put it up on the screen who I–[slide showing Allawi and Chalabi]—these two schmucks, these two schmos, these two thugs, Allawi and Chalabi – Joe Pesci and Tony Soprano—[laughter]—that's who should be running this country. These people are not ready for a real democracy. They're ready for a starter democracy. They're ready for a Mubarak, Musharraf, Vladimir Putin kind of democracy, where you have a strongman thug who's not really a rape-room guy, but, let's face it, they're not going to go all the way – we don't have a real democracy! [applause] [cheers]
BROWN: Well, I've always thought – I've always thought we'd end up with Chalabi, because, I mean, you know, he is so devious, he's so slimy. But the only thing that you have to have in politics in Iraq , is to be able to survive. And he can survive. I mean, you wouldn't want to buy a second-hand rug from Chalabi. [laughter] But the fact is, he's there and he's probably going to wind up, you know, running the place.
MAHER: And he – and like the other guy in that pic – he's wearing a suit. This, to me, is tremendously comforting. When I see these Middle Eastern guys and they at least put on the suit and the tie, I don't know, maybe that's prejudiced, but I just go, ooh, okay, thank you. [laughter] Thank you. As opposed to the black ninja uniforms—[laughter]—or the, you know… [LINK]
These are just the latest of far too many iterations of your unappetizing and grossly incorrect assumptions about the Middle East: one, it is filled with uncivilized folks who can't handle democracy; two, western culture and values are equivalent to civilization.

What's really ironic is that this is exactly the kind of thinking that created the post-invasion mess in Iraq. I'm surprised that no one in the Bush administration has offered you a job as yet. No doubt you'll decline if only because the sexual perks are likely to suck -- or is that blow? So a progressive hero you'll remain, even as you toot the horn of your political independence and continue to buck the progressive values of compassion and fairness in the name of political incorrectness.

Well, Bill, I'm glad to report that I won't be around to see it. And the good news is that you won't care. I do, however, wish you all the luck in your career, but in the hope that it will steer you far away from politics, especially the international kind.

best

Lakshmi

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Lakshmi Chaudhry is a senior editor at In These Times, and the former senior editor of AlterNet. You can write to her at lakshmi@alternet.org.


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Right on, sweetheart!
Posted by: Rorschach on Oct 20, 2005 2:12 PM   
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Ha, sorry. Anyway, these comments are spot-on. I noticed for years on PI that Maher would put down and sideline female guests. Even someone as brash and combative as Grace Slick could hardly get in a word during her appearance. One of the few times I saw a woman attack and counterpunch with the best of them was Julia Butterfly Hill, the environmental activist, who seemed to actually impress Maher. And another heroine, Ariana Huffington, seemed to get on well with him. But apart from a few notable exceptions, Maher's show was very rude to the distaff side.

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» RE: ight on, sweetheart! Posted by: Paul D
uugghh
Posted by: keffiya on Oct 20, 2005 3:01 PM   
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What the hell is this? What preachy liberal garbage. What nightmare have I crashed into?
Why did she spend thousands of words preaching that she's done with Bill Maher? So he sucks. He sucks for a hundred reasons.

End of story.

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» RE: uugghh Posted by: Paul D
Uhhh, I hate to say this, but....
Posted by: Mewsician on Oct 20, 2005 3:17 PM   
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Bill Maher's right. Anybody who thinks the rank-and-file members of the population in Iraq or Iran are in any way equipped to nurture "democracy" as we think of it - free press, women's rights, open campaigns, etc. - is dreaming. I'm no bigot, but the plain truth is that while the people in those countries may be farther along in the project than they were, say, 75 years ago, they're still neither wholly willing nor wholly able to start up a western-style democracy. It's not in their culture to see things the way our forefathers were seeing things. This isn't a criticism, it's simply a cultural reality. Until many, many more millions of people in those countries truly long to throw off the Islamic rule of law and re-invent their nation in the style of an American democracy (well, one that we USED to have, anyway; this commentary isn't intended to address the fact that under the idiot known as Bush, we are becoming much more like a theocracy. and doing it at a much faster pace, than any theocratic Middle Eastern country is becoming like America.....), it's illusory to keep suggesting they are likely to do so. But of course it suits the Bush cabal's purposes to keep SAYING that that's just around the corner, all other justifications for our invasion having come to naught.

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You are right...
Posted by: gp on Oct 20, 2005 3:19 PM   
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I have run into that “them darkies are not as advanced as we are” talk before. It bothers me to no end. It is so pervasive, I have noticed it even in people who called themselves progressives –it’s a sort of benign racism, as it were. While proclaiming to mean well, Americans often talk about other peoples with a (sometimes not so) subtle hint of disdain slightly covered with an “I respect you” dress.

Only the American way is good, only the American way makes sense, only the American democracy is the true democracy, only the American consumeristic, free-spending way is the civilized way. But I respect our differences, you naked savage. By the way, when are you going to learn English so I can instruct you on the benefits of the free market?

…Sigh…

Oh, and ignore the trolls...

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» Misunderstanding Posted by: gp
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» RE: Misunderstanding Posted by: gp
He's A Comedian
Posted by: Sandra on Oct 20, 2005 4:27 PM   
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I think that Bill is funny as hell and very insightful. He's a comedian with a bite that frequently gets to the core of an issue or political happening. I don't agree with everything he says either. I don't pay attention to what he says about women because he's a comedian. He has a show on television. That doesn't make him an expert on women or women's issues. Don't give him more importance than he deserves.

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Don't attack your allies!
Posted by: rini on Oct 20, 2005 6:34 PM   
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Whatever you think of Bill Maher's demeanor or attitudes, HE IS ON OUR SIDE!!! The lives that are being lost right now in Iraq are real. This is happening as we speak. It is an emergency, as is the environment. Bill Maher is on the right (in my opinion) side on both issues. We have a fundamentalist government that is deadly and spreading its disease worldwide. Why are you wasting time on a secular-humanist (perhaps sexist, perhaps slightly racist) comedian???

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Eli
Posted by: Eli on Oct 20, 2005 6:58 PM   
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A mini-essay devoted to not watching Bill Maher is warranted by the fact that political talk show hosts invite him AS IF his opinion is valid and based on experience and expertise, etc. Though he's nothing but a comedian and even a funny one at that, he's just that and his political views change with his mood, and shift easily. His appearance on late night entertainment shows is appropriate but there too he imperiously delivers his political views as if fact. Yet he's incredibly shallow. I would be ashamed to consider him an ally.

One of the most offensive statements I heard in support of war right after its outset was Bill Maher's on some political talk show in which he said, "Iraq was an itch we had to scratch," as if a mere American "itch" must be relieved, by all means and at any cost. At the time, the UN was projecting/estimating 200,000 Iraqis dead, by the way. I wouldn't doubt that that number will be reached soon.

As for Maher's misogyny, where does one begin?

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Leaving Maher
Posted by: zingzang on Oct 20, 2005 8:25 PM   
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Maher's sexism turned me off before abc did. Plus that creepy "platonic relationship" he has with Ann Coulter. What the fuck is that all about?!?

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Too serious, guys
Posted by: vic5542 on Oct 20, 2005 9:10 PM   
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Nearly from top to bottom, I think you guys are off the mark on this thread.

First off, Maher is no superhero in my circle of friends. He’s a self-proclaimed Libertarian with obvious left-leaning tendencies on the issues that concern him the most.

As for his apparent misogyny, c’mon… it’s his shtick. Sure, we all love Jon Stewart and his (and his writers’) biting wit, but Maher has made his place with being non-PC. All of that ‘babe’ and ‘honey’ and ‘darlin’ ’ crap may irk you now, but it’s been the brand — his routine, if you will — on which he’s made his career.

I’ve wondered at times, too, about his chumminess with Coulter, but that’s also (I think) part of the show. I mean, look on the flip-side: he has decent liberal comedians on the show who will rip him and anyone else a new one. Maher holds his own pretty well with those folks and the tightie-righties. And that’s what makes Politically Incorrect-er on HBO what it is — it simply is what it is and what it was what it was: comedic political roundtable with a few expletives thrown in, now that it’s on HBO.

Damn me to hell, but there are people who still chuckle at off-color humor, be it sexist, racist, or just pointing out the ridiculous in our society of overbearing federalism and asinine jurisprudence.

You may not like Maher’s sense of humor, but I reiterate: he’s never been a poster-boy for the left but that certain people fixated on him as such. Regardless, it’s just funny stuff at times. Take it if you like it; leave it if you don’t.

PS: Before anyone chimes in again about Maher and Iraq, look back and see that for his b.s. stance on the ‘war’ (and what a war it was/is), he was early to admit that he’d made some piss-poor assumptions and public statements about our chimp-in-chief’s imbroglio.

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My take on Maher
Posted by: paul_revere on Oct 21, 2005 4:26 AM   
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I have been following Bill Maher for a long time. I have always enjoyed his humor, and I somewhat understand his apparent sexist attitude. He has never been married, I believe, or had a very serious relationship with a woman. I think he is quite jaded about the opposite sex, preferring to just have a grand old time with them and avoid the love and responsibility. If he was married or in a loving relationship, he probably would show a bit more respect for women. Okay, so let's assume that he is ignorant to a degree regarding love and women. However, as much as he is sexist to a very small degree, he still serves a purpose with his comedy and his show.

One thing I disagree strongly with him about, though, is his thought that, in some way, Bush could possibly be a visonary with the invasion of Iraq. Nothing could be further from the truth. The invasion was illegal and immoral, our soldiers and many innocent civilians have died, our treasury has been looted, our reputation has been besmirched, our country has been shamed by the torture of so-called prisoners, and on and on. Maher's possibility of Bush proving to be right in any way is an insult to all of us.

Maher put on a show here in Eugene, Oregon. A group of us went to it and had a good time. However, the one topic/joke he received silence about was exactly what I mentioned above -- that maybe Bush had some kind of intuition or vision, that the invasion might have been a good thing to do. Zero applause. After that show he went to Portland to do the filming for the actual HBO show. Guess what? He left that comment out of his act. I can only assume he realized that nobody in their right mind was taking the bait. I'll never forget that moment. It made me think that Bill has been smoking just a little too much of the happy weed.

Lastly, I truly believe that we are often judged by the company we keep. Though I enjoy Maher's humor, I have lost a great deal of respect for him after he began to tell us all that Ann Coulter is his friend. What? Are you kidding? She is one of the most despicable human beings I have ever heard or seen -- truly the spawn of the devil. What is Bill thinking? I would never keep that kind of company. Holy crap! Bad, Bill, very bad.

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» that Coulter thing... Posted by: bryanhurst
» RE: My take on Maher Posted by: Michelle
BILL MAHER IS FUNNY FOR FOOLS
Posted by: gadflysuper on Oct 21, 2005 7:03 AM   
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FARHAT MAQUAMI

BILL MAHER MANIFESTS WHAT IS WRONG WITH AMERICA.

When bunch of sickos laugh to a psychopath like Bill Maher and call it entertainment you got to be a fool watching his intellectual garbage.

When Larry King bring Bill Maher instead of Norm Cjumsky or Howard Zinn to his show you got to know that corporate media does not want the truth to be told. THEY WANT TO FOOL AMERICA BY LETTING A DEGENERATE PART OF IT SPEAKS FOR THEM AND MAKE THEM LAUGH.

He is racist, sexist, demeans women and despises Middle Eastern. He is pro Israeli and anti Arab and he really does not understand what he is talking about. He wants to make people laugh at his sick jokes

In a nation in which every intellectual has been effectively silenced out of corporate media or bought out and the media has become captive to rich and powerfull, anything goes. Only clowns like Bill Maher can become a shinig star since their speech can reach is for fun not for social change. They are symbol of foolish ness in this nation.

You are right it is better not to listen to them because they only increase intellectual ignorance.

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the show is, at best, uneven
Posted by: bryanhurst on Oct 21, 2005 7:09 AM   
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I don't avoid "Real Time," but I don't go out of my way to watch it, either."New Rules" is excellent, but the panel discussions are wildly inconsistent.

The episode that had Chris Rock was probably the absolute nadir - Rock, a gifted comedian, couldn't rise above tired schtick about high gas prices, even when some inane Republican "strategist" was feeding him set-ups galore. It struck me that perhaps Rock has either no knowledge of current events and politics, or else he has no improvisational talents. Either answer is pretty sad.

I'm waiting for the day when Maher has a sharp, quick-witted liberal go head to head against some conservative stalwart, say Franken versus Coulter, or Randi Rhodes against Bill Kristol. I'm not holding my breath, though.

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CKS
Posted by: CKS on Oct 21, 2005 7:36 AM   
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Of course you're right but I don't know how you've held out this long. Maher is the most mean-spirited of men, at least in public. He also has a creepy preference for leggy blonde right wing women show guests, and has helped a few to raise their profiles in ways that are not useful to progressives.

In my view one reason that John Stewart has such staying power is that he's tough like a political cartoonist -- not like so many stand up comics (including Maher in particular) who go for the meanness as a short cut to a laugh.

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» RE: CKS Posted by: cellis56
» RE: CKS Posted by: kittykat
YOU ARE WAY OFF BASE!
Posted by: krose on Oct 21, 2005 8:17 AM   
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I love Bill's show, and I take it for the pure entertainment it is! I see none of the negative you ramble about, and I really thought about this long and hard before writing it. I watch the program for a pure comedic diversion, of which there is precious little on TV these days, and I intend to keep watching, as long as the program remains on the air! I really think you are way off base on this matter, in fact you seem to have quite a few unresolved "issues" of your own to deal with! Why don't you tend to those and leave Bill alone?

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Actually Bill is getting better
Posted by: jwg on Oct 21, 2005 9:02 AM   
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Maybe it is because of my own irreverent attitude, but these last few shows the author seems so upset about, are getting better and better. Sure sometimes the rhetoric makes me cringe with "I can't believe he said that". But then as slap my knee I realize there are messages for all of us, kind of like attending a roast. Bill attacks those things most of us wouldn't attempt in public with a vigor that is astounding. If you can't see that his glass is at least half full maybe you need to clean your ocular system, or at least learn to listen to the message between the lines.

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must we always agree...on everything?
Posted by: mendomama on Oct 21, 2005 10:11 AM   
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I loved P.I., and I watch Real Time every week. The fact that I don't always agree with Bill, is one of the reasons I watch. Sometimes, I agree with him 100%. Whether he's talking about legalizing marijuana, or how some evangelical Christians would like to reshape our society into their own little Christian Science Experiment, you don't have to wonder what his opinion is.

He's adamently against shaping laws for all, on the morals and "tastes" of a few, self-righteous know-it-alls. I don't always agree with him, but I don't want to hear only what I agree with. Such a tunnel-vision perspective of our society and political beliefs is not healthy.

As for his "friendship" with Ann Coulter, (who, in my opinion, is a stuck up bitch with a twisted view on politics and society in general), doesn't seem questionable to me. I have friends with completely opposing attitudes about various issues. Part of what makes our friendship special, is the fact that we don't always agree. It makes for a lively debate, when two people who respectfully disagree with each other, engage in a conversation. I find conversations like this stimulating, and enjoy watching others do it, too.

I think more is being made of his show and his positions than is necessary. Especially this whole "our side, their side" b.s. The sooner we all figure out that we not only don't need to, but shouldn't, agree with each other on every point in order to be on the "same side", we'll be screwed. I may not always agree with him, but he's a strong voice when it comes to having a true democracy, one in which various lifestyles and life choices are respected, especially when they are different from mainstream society. Democracy isn't agreeing with everyone all the time, but accepting that we don't always have to agree. Remembering that we all have our own happiness to pursue, and we all have different ways of getting there.

I watch the Daily Show every night, and I don't always agree with John Stewart, but I love his show. I take in Al Franken every night, too. I find his humor boring, and I think he considers himself much more funny than he actually is, but I learn a lot watching his show - even though I don't always agree with him. If what people want, is to watch someone that they always agree with, they should look in the mirror and start talking. As for me, I'll be watching Real Time tonight.

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Where is the argument?
Posted by: ashrock on Oct 21, 2005 11:35 AM   
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He's a comedian for Christ's sake! He's just making jokes and doesn't claim to be preaching the truth. If you don't want to watch him, then the more power to ya'.

On a deeper note, though, why should we assume that Iraqis are ready for a real democracy? I'm not saying that they're not, I'm just asking for the argument to be made. Bill obviously made his, but the argument above just seems to attack his racist and misogynistic tendencies which is a completely separate issue. Where is the argument that they are, in fact, ready for a real democracy?

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Oh my!
Posted by: Newtopia on Oct 21, 2005 11:42 AM   
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Lakshmi,

Relax. As has been mentioned, you are taking Maher's "shtick" way WAY to seriously. You are being subsumed by political correctness, which is as much a disease as his so-called "racist speech".

To begin with, Maher is no intellectual acrobat. He's a bit dim, and the only thing that saves him is some good writers. He's an elite sycophant, not a progressive hero of the people. In fact, he probably doesn't know many "real" people. He is Libertarian, which is a decidedly different political ideology that the run-of-the-mill Liberals that populate Alternet, which means that he has a lot of what is viewed as "Far Right-Wing" ideology in his belief system. But more than anything else, he's just a smarmy TV personality who has the benefit of booking some very interesting (and at times, infuriating) high profile guests.

Maher has been a vocal and visible advocate against the Drug War, which we love.

Maher is "Ann Coulter's clubbing buddy", which is just sick.

I very much doubt he is either a mysoginist or a racist. He's just an idiot who goes as the wind blows. Every once in a while he comes up with segments like the one you cited which just don't make any sense, but I blame the writer and producer who came up with it, not him per se. There really isn't any explanation but for the fact that his show is predicated on being "provocative" from all sides of the political spectrum.

What you might want to consider before getting up on the PC Boycott bandwagon is that his show is more offensive for its elite sensibilities and pandering than it is for its alleged off-color views, Ann Coulter notwithstanding.

Why not try to get booked on the show?

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» RE: Oh my! Posted by: jwg
Thank you
Posted by: Lakshmi Chaudhry on Oct 21, 2005 12:07 PM   
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For the level of discussion on the comments thread. I was truly dreading checking out the blog this morning. But hey, with a few exceptions it's turning out to be a great discussion.

I'm not going to "defend" my decision on Maher -- though it's flattering that some of you think I should get on his show. It's a personal decision. But I went public with it because of the off chance it may add something useful to the public debate not only about Maher -- but also the host of larger issues it raises. How do we decide what we will tolerate or not? What is the function of humor? And all other such issues that you all have been discussing. The fact that it seems to have offered comfort and clarity to people already uncomfortable with him is a very nice plus.

I also want to boldface the fact that there is not a single line in the entire entry that calls on any one else to follow my lead. A call for a "boycott" was never part of the agenda. Like I said, we should all be free to make our personal decisions in these matters.

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asshole first, comedian second
Posted by: kittykat on Oct 21, 2005 3:03 PM   
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This to all the fine folks bitching that Butthole, I mean Bill Maher is 'just a comedian' therefore his comments shouldn't be taken so seriously. Well I say bull he is so freaking arrogant with a capital A and HE thinks his opinions are so goddamn special, insightful, intelligent, brilliant, and the voice of a 'genuis' speaking for us hapless fool yokels. Much like 90% of the media Maher believes that your own mouthpiece show and the ability to spew your little 'opinions' makes you King Khameamea. When all you really are is a self-righteous full of themself full of shit obnoxious blowhard. If he wants to be JUST a comedian then go back to stand-up but when you have your own political and social commentary show where you act like everyone on the face of the planet must adhere to the amazing ideal that is Bill then I say all fucking bets are off.

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Maher is about ego, not principle.
Posted by: paullinate on Oct 21, 2005 3:27 PM   
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Maher claims to be a Libertarian while supporting welfare and the minimum wage. He speaks out in favor of equality for gays while at times making homophobic jokes. He has claimed to support animal rights while acknowledging eating meat and wearing leather. Like an insecure adolescent who smokes pot not to get high but to look hip, Maher places importance on being thought a free thinker over actually being one.

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Your Mother's Bed Squeaks
Posted by: gt1014 on Oct 22, 2005 1:33 PM   
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Here's yet another example of how the left and liberals attack each other until they become so weakened and divided and ineffectual the corporate-right-wing christo-fascists have no choice but to take power.

Lakshmi, You haven't said you're going to stop watching Dennis Miller anymore, I take it you're still giving him the benefit of the doubt and enjoying his Bush apologist repertoire. When can we expect you to target him? (Don't get me wrong, babe, I still love ya). And kittykat's anal fixation with Maher's butthole should make it easy for her to take a headlong dive into Dennis Miller's anus.

I saw that segment of Maher's show and it was great, except for some of the part on Chalabi -- missing was Cheney and his thugs are already trying to put him in power. And calling him a thug didn't take it far enough, but comparing him to the thieving bullies in the White House would have. (Bullies are cowards by the way).

Here you have a show that puts out some truth and whiny, naive liberals (not you, big-L) are bickering over nuance. No wonder the left can never get anything done besides getting Bush and Halliburton into office. (And to those of you brainwashed-Naderites who still believe there isn't a difference between Dems and Repubs, just get it over with already and join the GOP). No, I won't let it go.

Obviously, Maher's not perfect and I don't agree with everything he puts out but if you have a problem with something he says, write to him about it. Don't inundate him with excessive leftist verbiage but give him information that will expand his understanding on an issue and I think he'll make adjustments if need be. He's listened before.

As far as Dennis Miller goes he can suck (or blow) me but only with Coulter as the liaison. Now, there's a good use for her talents.

greg thurman

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