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Was CNN Host Lou Dobbs Really Shot at?

Posted by Isabel Macdonald, AlterNet at 12:49 PM on October 30, 2009.


Statements by New Jersey state police are putting Dobbs' claim that he and his wife had been shot at into question.

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After CNN host Lou Dobbs stated this past Monday on his radio show that  “my wife has now been and I have been shot at,” right-wing pundits and nativist groups are rallying to his cause.

Dobbs' discussion of the alleged shooting incident, which had occurred three weeks prior to the October 26 broadcast of the Lou Dobbs show, included mention of both longtime critic and FOX host Geraldo Rivera and the immigrant advocacy organizations calling for his removal from CNN including the National Council of La Raza, America's Voice and other "ethnocentric interest groups."

Without specifying who he suspects of making the alleged threats, he also said on his radio show that “They've threatened my wife, they've now fired a shot at my house while my wife was standing next to the car."

The incident prompted the president of Americans for Legal Immigration (ALIPAC), a group that advocates greater restrictions on immigration, to declare that "The lies and hate coming from these radical pro-illegal alien groups is now manifesting in the form of gunfire." ALIPAC president William Gheen characterized this "Attack on the Dobbs Family" as "An Attack On All Americans That Value Our 1st Amendment Rights!"

In a post titled "Lou Dobbs discusses physical attacks, harrassment" Michelle Malkin also chimed in yesterday about the "open-borders mob... busy trying to shut down the speech of illegal immigration critics."

And concern about the incident was also echoed by CNN's Wolf Blitzer, who interviewed Dobbs yesterday, and characterized the incident as "very scary."

But were Lou Dobbs and his wife really "shot at" as he claimed?

Sergeant 1st class Stephen Jones, a NJ police spokesperson I interviewed by telephone yesterday, chuckled out loud after he heard about Dobbs’ account of the gunfire incident. Jones commented that he "wouldn't classify it [the gunfire incident] as very unusual." He also confirmed that there are hunters in the area, and stated that, "at this time of year hunter [shooting] complaints go up."

He observed that in the ongoing police investigation sparked by Dobbs' complaint, "nothing has been determined [regarding] what the intended target for this bullet was." Nor did Jones confirm whether the shots near Dobbs' house appeared to be an accident or intentional.

Another New Jersey police spokesperson, Julian Castellanos, noted that "it's a wide open area and there are hunters in the area." Castellanos explained that the bullet had hit the house in vicinity of the attic; it "hit the vinyl siding and fell to the ground" without penetrating the vinyl, he said.

While Lou Dobbs’ wife, Debi Dobbs, was standing outside the house at the time of the gunfire, the bullet did not come close to her;  it "struck at the apex of the house, near the roof," and thus considerably higher than a standing person, Jones observed.

Jones says he had not seen any mention of death threats in the reports about this incident. As Dobbs stated on his October 26 radio show, the CNN host had “decided not to report” “threatening phone calls” he says he has received.

Asked what he thought of Dobbs' version of the gunfire incident, Sgt Jones stated, “I’m really going to leave Lou Dobbs’ assessment to himself.”

Julie Hollar of FAIR (Fairness & Accuracy In Reporting--a media watchdog group at which I worked for two years), was more forthcoming in her assessment of Dobbs' version of events. Hollar, who has written extensively on Dobbs for FAIR's magazine Extra!, commented that "It would hardly be surprising to find more misinformation smearing immigrants and their supporters coming from a guy who has been spreading such misinformation for years."  She added that "The tragic thing is that so many people suffer actual violence at the hands of those whose xenophobic hatred is aggravated by Dobbs and his kind."

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Isabel Macdonald is AlterNet's NYC-based publicist. Before joining AlterNet, she was the communications director at the media watch-dog group Fairness & Accuracy In Reporting, and her writing has appeared in Extra Magazine, Huffington Post, the Indypendent and Z Magazine.


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Interesting
Posted by: charemor on Oct 30, 2009 1:42 PM   
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Whether Dobbs was actually shot at or not, it is interesting that he and his ilk (Beck, Limbaugh, Coulter, Hannity and the rest) always want to get up in arms if anyone questions carrying a gun to an Obama rally (gun rights! Second amendment rights! Self protection!) , yet screams like a scalded cat if it gets turned back on them.

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» RE: Interesting Posted by: shd1230
» RE: Interesting Posted by: Haji54
» RE: Any police reports? Posted by: sasquuatch55
William O. Romine Jr.
Posted by: billrominejr@gmail.com on Oct 30, 2009 5:09 PM   
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Isn't filing false charges (or claims) a felony
in of its own right?????

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» RE: William O. Romine Jr. Posted by: bigbrother
» RE: William O. Romine Jr. Posted by: Longdream
Which side goes for weapons?
Posted by: wrinklemomma on Oct 30, 2009 6:07 PM   
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It smells a little fishy when the side who favor 'open carry' and 'must carry' behavior are SUDDENLY getting "shot at". And, as the NJ police rep said, during hunting seasons, many stray, overshot bullets end up great distances from the shooter. If a bullet hit the siding and fell to the ground, it was near the end of its travel, anyhow. These publicity seeking, narsissitic rabble-rousers always run the drama fountain wide open when it suits their purposes.

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It figures.
Posted by: fc7711 on Oct 30, 2009 7:50 PM   
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A Wing-Nut being paranoid and making up stories, who'd a thunk it ?? Lou Dobbs has gone full bore bat-poop crazy. must be the company he's been keeping. Wing-Nuttery is more contagious than H1N1.

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For his own safety
Posted by: wwittman on Oct 30, 2009 9:36 PM   
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for his own safety, he should resign

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Earth to Lou! It's deer season!
Posted by: ETSpoon on Oct 31, 2009 5:22 AM   
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This is what Lou Dobbs and his "b*aner" wife get for living an in exurb.

And from what I gather from the story the Dobbs hacienda must be near a New Jersey public hunting area. New Jersey has a growing deer population in suburban areas.

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» RE: Good for you Posted by: ETSpoon
Bounced off the Siding without penetrating it- Distance and Velocity
Posted by: Purple Girl on Oct 31, 2009 5:42 AM   
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Tells the facts.
If someone was out to kill or even scare Dobbs or his wife- they would have been with in range. Accuracy becomes an issue when you exceed the weapons range. So even if they intend to just scare his wife, there was no telling the trajectory once it went past it's range.It's More likely to become influenced by air currents at a slower speed. A missed shot can be as deadly as a dead eye shot.
Perhaps instead of worrying about Who is out to get him, he should be worrying about What...'Fate' sending a warning shot across his bow (lawn)?

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A play for sympathy
Posted by: LeonBNJ on Oct 31, 2009 6:04 AM   
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I know of the area where Dobbs lives, it is in a very rural area of New Jersey, in the northernmost corner with considerable territory covered near his home with State Forests and private property where hunting takes place. This is just a stray bullet.

Let us not forget his (foreign born) wife got caught with a handgun in her carry on bag a few years ago at a security checkpoint going for a flight at Newark Airport. Somehow she didn't get a penalty for that - you know if it was one of us, we would have been in jail for a while.
Dobbs is just exaggrating the situation looking for sympathy as he is now facing greater attention against his anti-immigrant and other hateful views he spews on his radio and CNN programs. He has become a right wing populist. Most of his background is in business reporting, why doesn't he go after the criminals on Wall Street rather than the the day workers hanging out looking for work at the local Home Depot.

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» RE: A play for sympathy Posted by: EducatedRants
There's a word for somebody who doesn't feel safe...
Posted by: leafsong1 on Oct 31, 2009 6:08 AM   
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...from minorities even when he lives in a rural lily-white enclave surrounded by armed rednecks: coward. One thing we know about cowards is that we should never let them determine for us what the threats are.

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Jackass-Hunting & spam
Posted by: QQOblivion on Oct 31, 2009 6:12 AM   
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Maybe it is JACKASS-hunting season!

By the way, Alternet, please remove all posts by "moon01" (speaking of jackasses). This is only a spammer. (I tried to report similar comments to another article, but there was a problem with the type-these-letters challenge.)

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» RE: Jackass-Hunting & spam Posted by: Sister_Lauren
are you there yehooo are you there
Posted by: flymulla on Oct 31, 2009 7:17 AM   
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Statements by New Jersey state police are putting Dobbs' claim that he and his wife had been shot at into question.
Pop corn story
I thank you
Firozali A Mulla

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It happened to me, as well.
Posted by: zipper696 on Oct 31, 2009 7:39 AM   
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I was in Home Depot a while ago and whilst looking at wood screws I glanced up to find a Hispanic guy looking at me in a threatening manner.
I immediately ran from the store (without my wood screws) and have been locked in my basement ever since.
Will this victimization of Lou and me never end?

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Lou ought to be careful
Posted by: Longdream on Oct 31, 2009 7:51 AM   
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about 'crying wolf'.

When you are a hater, you set yourself up to be hated. And in his paranoia he's acknowledging the hatred on both sides.

It's not out of the realm of possibility in my mind that someone with a few loose screws would shoot at Lou Dobbs. It would be absolutely wrong and tragic if Lou, let alone an innocent family member, were shot by someone because of his views.

It would have nothing to do with freedom of speech if Lou's outlets fired him at this point. The Constitution says that you can say what you want if it doesn't harm anyone. There's no provision that someone has to PAY you to say it.

It's been too late coming, but now is absolutely the time for his backers and employers to step away from Lou Dobbs.

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» The definition of delusional Posted by: chaztmac
Redux
Posted by: muggs131 on Oct 31, 2009 8:06 AM   
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Claiming to be shot at by persons unknown for your "views" was something Jim Jones used to do. Could Dobbs be on his way to drinking some Kool Aid?

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Uggs are evil
Posted by: leafsong1 on Oct 31, 2009 8:10 AM   
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These shoes are designed to eat your soul and send you straight to Hell. Both the Nortenos and Surenos have a tradition wherein gang soldiers are initiated by hunting down and brutally murdering people they find wearing Uggs. Uggs are made from the still beating hearts of freshly slaughtered baby harp seals by enslaved and malnourished children from Chad forced to work in sub-zero freezing factories where they are tied to their workplaces with tetanus-laced rusty barbed wire while being whipped by fat Republican transvestite pederasts. Please buy no Uggs.

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» lol Posted by: Drclaw
I have a solution for Mr. Dobbs
Posted by: Outspokengrandmother on Oct 31, 2009 9:07 AM   
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I have a solution.... take him off CNN, get him out of the limelight for his own protection. Nobody will shoot at a nobody.... even if the story is true, which I doubt, it would be good for America....

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DoctorD
Posted by: DOCTORD43 on Oct 31, 2009 9:57 AM   
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In your rush to denigrate Lou Dobbs, you forget that he is probably our most vocal supporter of American workers. Who else will speak up for American labor when he is gone?

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» RE: DoctorD Posted by: GeorgiaBlue
» but he's not really Posted by: Drclaw
If his wife has any self-respect whatsoever
Posted by: bettyn on Oct 31, 2009 10:12 AM   
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SHE would have shot this fascist pig years ago.

COCONUTS, anyone?

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» RE:BIGOT ALERT! Posted by: Longdream
Personally,
Posted by: Dak on Oct 31, 2009 10:56 AM   
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They should find the guy(s)/gal(s) who shot at Dobbs and his wife, MISSED THEM, and shoot the shooters instead! I despise people who use guns and don't know how to use them!

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Balloon boy again?
Posted by: Aredee on Oct 31, 2009 12:46 PM   
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Maybe Dobbs WAS the target of an attack, but if he's making it up, I hope they throw the book at him.

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Pathetic
Posted by: lamac66 on Oct 31, 2009 3:12 PM   
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Desperate Dobbs. Sad!!

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Real reporting would have told us if the shot came from the st, or woods.
Posted by: hardwroc on Oct 31, 2009 3:11 PM   
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While Dobbs portrays this like a drive by, I would certainly like to hear if this shot was on the street side or backyard side of the house. Was the bullet a rifle or pistol projectile? Is there any fact based reporting left in America, or are we left to this he said she said stalemate forever?
Anybody?
I mean, there ARE freakin FACTS to be had in EVERY situation, and once upon a time those were reported, prior to the Warren report.

And just for those with little knowledge of forensics, a pistol shot within 300' would absolutely pierce VINYL siding, and a rifle shot from much further.
For this bullet to strike and bounce off, suggests a stray bullet from a "God fearin, Gay hatin, Second amendment loving, GOP voting hunter", and I would also suggest that IF it were an immigrant supporting evil doer they would have been in a stolen car doing a drive by spraying the house and neighborhood with 9mm rounds, and not one shot from a mile away to bounce harmlessly off the VINYL siding near the peak of the house.
Give us a little break and touch one toe to earth now and then eh, Dobbs, ya coward.

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Dobbs....connected with "an attack on all Americans WHO value the 1st Amendment Rights" Oh, Really?
Posted by: fcvoigt on Oct 31, 2009 6:00 PM   
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What rating do you give the intelligence of creatures unable to recognise themselves when they look into a mirror?

Their IQ is at least lower than a baby's, right?

Outing again, are we?

"..... The incident prompted the president of Americans for Legal Immigration (ALIPAC), a group that advocates greater restrictions on immigration, to declare that "The lies and hate coming from these radical pro-illegal alien groups is now manifesting in the form of gunfire." ALIPAC president William Gheen characterized this "Attack on the Dobbs Family" as "An Attack On All Americans That Value Our 1st Amendment Rights!....."

Lies and hate? It takes one to know one.

What about the manifestations demanding blood to water trees, and people carrying guns openly to discussion meetings?

...and the pronoun for people is still "who", according to Webster.

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A far-off shot; Dobbs was not "shot at"
Posted by: LightningJoe on Nov 1, 2009 2:57 AM   
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I'll just observe that, for the bullet to not penetrate vinyl siding, it must have been at the end of it's speed curve, slowing as it arced through the air.

It also had to have been shot up, INTO the air, because as a shot slows, it arcs down -- and this one hit near the top of the house.

To slow that significantly, it also must have been shot from quite a distance away; at least half a mile, depending on the weapon. Easy to hear a deer rifle from a half-mile away.

My guess: it was a deer load, possibly shot from a valley hide, towards a target on a ridge. The shot missed, cleared the ridge, and arced down to Dobbs' house.

Dobbs, relax, the shot wasn't meant for you. Maybe your conscience is bothering you, eh?

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Where Is the Proof?
Posted by: Southern Gal on Nov 1, 2009 7:48 AM   
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It seems to me that an incident like this is hard to prove or to disprove. Someone may well have targeted Dobb's house, wife, car or it could have been a stray bullet from a hunter. People who are in the spotlight and voice strong opinions on emotional matters of public discourse such as immigration reform do tend to attract attention from the more radical people who disagree with them.

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» RE: Where Is the Proof? Posted by: DaBear
Hmmmm.
Posted by: Longdream on Nov 1, 2009 9:58 AM   
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It doesn't seem like the cops cracked a sweat over the "investigation".

I think they'd probably bend over backward to protect a celebrity in their midst. Unless, of course, they can't stand him either.

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La Familia Michoacana
Posted by: moloko velocet on Nov 1, 2009 10:21 AM   
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Hmmm....maybe the Mexican Mob...?

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Simon
Posted by: Simon_ on Nov 1, 2009 10:34 AM   
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Great work, Is....

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Dobbs is cryin' wolf like all fascist parasites do
Posted by: DaBear on Nov 1, 2009 11:32 AM   
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It's a pathetic and childish 'boo-hoo for me I'm so persecuted by my victims...' ploy.

Been there, done that, Dobbs, ya' fuckhead.

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Move along...nothing to see here...
Posted by: Prinzowhales on Nov 1, 2009 3:27 PM   
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But, wouldn't you be interested to know what Hillary told the Pakistanis as she encouraged the Islamabad regime to raise taxes on their impoverished population--""The percentage of taxes on GDP (in Pakistan) is among the lowest in the world… We (the United States) tax everything that moves and doesn’t move, and that’s not what we see in Pakistan,” she told newspaper editors in Lahore."

http://www.infowars.com/clinton-u-s-taxes- everything-that-moves-and-doesn%e2%80%99t-move/

This article was by Kurt Nimmo at infowars.com

What lovely sentiments from Bill's lovely wife...no wonder he slept around.

Just what kind of sh*theads support Demopublicans?--just look at the voter registration rolls.

DOWN WITH THE DEMOPUBLICAN REGIME! VOTE THIRD PARTY! TROOPS HOME NOW! DESTROY THE FED!

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The definition of delusional
Posted by: chaztmac on Nov 2, 2009 2:11 AM   
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believing that which is not true or real. In common parlance; nuts - crazy.

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Vinyl siding????
Posted by: bitsfick on Nov 2, 2009 5:13 AM   
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How plebeian.

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I know of the area
Posted by: nikefilson on Nov 16, 2009 10:16 PM   
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