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Vaccination is the New Flouridation

Posted by Amanda Marcotte, Pandagon at 6:56 AM on May 14, 2008.


The anti-vaccination argument is based on conspiracies and Luddism, not science.
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The number of anti-vaccination cranks out there on the interwebs seems to be multiplying. It seems you can’t make reference to any kind of vaccination lately without people, sometimes pretending to be liberals (sometimes actually misguided liberals) wailing and moaning about how terrible vaccinations are. It’s the new fluoridation. I’m somewhat surprised that no one wailed and moaned that I mentioned on Pandagon a tetanus vaccination I got the other day, but rest assured, while my arm has been kind of sore, I haven’t yet developed autism.

I have very little patience for cranks as a general rule (which is why working for this site is so fun, because it’s about pushing back against anti-choice cranks), but I reserve a special contempt and loathing for anti-vaccination cranks. They remind me of nothing so much as women who make their living as professional anti-feminists in terms of denial and idiocy levels. Anti-feminist professional women create a special kind of loathing, because they don’t acknowledge that their very ability to be out there earning a paycheck lambasting feminism would not be possible without feminism giving them the right to be women in the public sphere. Anti-vaccination cranks have a similar parasitic relationship to the existence of vaccines. If it weren’t for vaccination, our country would have far more immediate infectious disease health concerns to worry about that the largely imaginary health drawbacks of the vaccination wouldn’t have a chance to ruffle any feathers.

Anti-vaccination cranks make me see red, in no small part because there’s no excuse for the levels of ignorance they demonstrate about the real value of vaccines. It would be more understandable if the invention of the polio vaccination, for instance, was so far in the past that there were no survivors of the disease hanging around being reminders of how terrible it really is. But there are plenty of people who had the disease that are around, suffering the lifelong effects of even the minor cases that would have allowed you to reach middle age after suffering that disease in your youth. I for one am incredibly grateful to have never known anyone with small pox, tetanus or even the fucking mumps my whole life.

Like all good cranks, anti-vaccination assholes move the goal posts constantly. The big hobbyhorse of anti-vaccination cranks is autism rates (even though the connection between autism and vaccinations has been thoroughly debunked), but of course, the invention of the HPV vaccine hasn’t passed notice, though you get that when you’re like 12 years old, so even if you believe childhood vaccinations have something to do with autism (which you shouldn’t), then you should realize that 12 is way too late to “develop” autism. But it’s this lightening rod because it’s new and it’s sex-related and thus the cranks can hang their hat on it, and get all excited about building a coalition between the usual anti-vaccination cranks and the sexphobes, getting more power.

And of course, the invocations of “Big Pharma” do not an argument make. It’s childish to think that something is an unvarnished, irredeemable evil just because someone made money doing it. Big Pharma does a lot of wrong things, but mainly because they charge too much for products that are actually good. If they were charging too much for products that were just crap, then they’d be no more a political problem than people who make designer handbags. The abstinence-only assholes resort to screaming “Big Pharma” to discourage women from taking the birth control pill, which shows what kind of crankery you’re getting into with that tactic.

Like all good cranks, evidence that conflicts with their theories is simply ignored. The idea behind the autism-vaccination link was that the mercury used in some vaccinations caused autism. Well, they don’t use mercury in childhood vaccinations anymore and haven’t for awhile, but autism rates remain high. Maybe the vaccinations are causing autism out of tradition, then? There’s a theory that kosher laws against the eating of pork were initially developed for health reasons, but were kept out of tradition after the health reasons disappeared. Is that how vaccines do it?

Promoting the idea that there’s these non-existence connections between vaccinations and autism and other ill health effects is vicious and cruel to parents whose children are suffering from the diseases that are claimed to be caused by vaccinations. I can’t imagine how much a parent with an autistic child would suffer from guilt if she actually believed this bullcrap, because after all, it was she who got the child vaccinated. All needless—they may not know what causes autism, but I’m going to bet that if they ever do find out, it’s probably going to be genetic and not something that parents could have known or prevented.

Maybe what bothers me the most is that the opposition to vaccinations tends to play into this knee-jerk Luddite mentality. Not that I don’t think new technologies shouldn’t be carefully examined to see if they do more good than harm, and that things that prove to be problems like cars should be seriously reconsidered. But a lot of people don’t want to do the hard work of taking each new technology and its issues and problems on for itself, and instead just want this general “new is bad/old ways were better” rule that they can apply indiscriminately. The traditionalism fallacy infects people on the right and the left both, though often in different ways. For instance, when conservatives decry the “unnatural”, they’re referring to sodomy or women getting paychecks, and when liberals do it, they’re probably talking about medications. Of course, some conservatives are beginning to see the benefits of embracing the knee-jerk hostility to modern medicine, at least when it applies to women, because of the contraception thing.* Anti-vaccination crankery doesn’t make much sense outside of this knee-jerk hostility to innovation and science.

The irony here is that scientists really aren’t trying to conquer the imperfect body at all. Vaccination technology actually makes more sense if you realize it came from a place of great respect for the the complexity of life, and the careful study of defenses that had evolved in the body. Which is why I love vaccinations. They work with the pre-existing environment. The real wow factor is that the body responds so well and so predictably to the vaccination. In one sense, it’s a bit alarming that I extended my arm the other day to be shot up with a syringe-full of dead bacteria that would, if alive, kill me pretty damn dead, but it was no big deal at all, because I trusted my body’s immune system to kick into action and do its job. So who’s the one that’s really trusting nature to do what it does best?

*None of this is to say that I’m opposed to the midwifery movement or anything. When they argue for it on pragmatic terms—it’s less expensive and less invasive, for instance—I’m all ears. Because that’s the point of this whole rant. If you got the evidence, you got an argument. But when people start waxing about how it’s more natural and that’s how they did it in the old days, I think “menstrual huts” and wonder why people seem to think that undernourished, illiterate people who didn’t get out much from the past were somehow magically smarter than we are now.

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Posted by: Purple Girl on May 14, 2008 7:18 AM   
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I'll start with vaccines - maybe i can keep my self composed....
I will grant that many great vaccines have been developed and ahve save many lives.
HOWEVER..There has been a Drastic sharp increase in Autism and there is some research that suggests it may be related to Vaccines. Perhaps it is not the vaccine it self - but how it is combined with others into one shot or the unnecessay repetitiveness of the innoculation. It ahs become standard practice with any knowledgealbe veterinarian not to load animals up with all their shots at once due to Allegic reactins and the potential for cancerous tumors to deveolpe in those injection sites. Infact they are beginning to wisely suggest you spend the money on Titers to determine if the vaccine is actually necessary. They must give my GSD a Benedril prior to her vaccines to avoid her vomiting profusely after words. Most medical breakthroughs and knowledge comes from the study of issues in Animals.
Next...Feminism has done nothing - But Libbers have done everything to move womans rights forward. Because we beleive in equal Rights for ALL. Libbers not only value other minorities but also the men who have joine dUs in our cause for All Concerned. Discrimantion agaisnt one is a discrimination agaisnt All. We actually vlue Yin & Yang. We enjoy when the 'boys' push the bar a little higher for Us so when we jump it with ease we get the chance to watch them eat Crow! and actually I have had men raise th ebar for me above a males because the yKNEW i could jump it an were trying to humilate/motivate their Sexist/lazy male co-worker.I have worked in the Warhouse industry with Truckers, In the Horse industry with men of all education, racial & ethnic backgound and I have Proven MY EQUALITY thus making them rethink prejudging another woman's.
Libbers actaully fight th eGood Fight while the woman who claim to be Feminist want retribution an Sepecial treatment . I have always beleived if a Military draft was to ahppen again Women Must be Drafted.Equality does not just mean equal 'goodies' It means Equal Responsiblities. I will NOT be a Perpetuator of the same Game the Boys have played - I want to change the Game so We all Win!So I am not a 'Femeinist' I AM A LIBBER!
by the way woman still only make On average about$0.77 to every mans $1.00, an dRoe v Wade is at the 9 count sprawled on the mat.So Thank NOW at your next meeting for me For Everything They HAVE NOT DONE OVER THE LAST 35 YRS!

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Sigh...
Posted by: profedwards on May 14, 2008 7:47 AM   
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I believe this might just be the third article on the topic posted on Alternet written by someone without a background in science, or, as sadly exhibited here, even a basic grasp of science.
Am I asking for too much to have a medical topic covered by individuals better versed on the issues? Ranting about politics - a subjective topic to be sure - is one thing. But engaging in "rants" while throwing out old or probematic studies to back those opinions up is dangerous.

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» RE: Sigh... Posted by: angrylefty
» A crank, indeed... Posted by: buffeliscious
Mercury
Posted by: Xynyx on May 14, 2008 8:21 AM   
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It's about Thimerosal.

"Thiomersal is very toxic by inhalation, ingestion, and in contact with skin (EC hazard symbol T+), with danger of cumulative effects."

"Few studies of the toxicity of thiomersal in humans have been performed. Animal experiments suggest that thiomersal rapidly dissociates to release ethylmercury after injection, that the disposition patterns of mercury are similar to those after exposure to equivalent doses of ethylmercury chloride, and that the central nervous system and the kidneys are targets, with lack of motor coordination being a common sign."

Before you go completely shooting your mouth off about something like this, about which science has not drawn a definitive conclusion, perhaps you should read a bit more.

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» RE: Mercury Posted by: EncinoM
» Not true actually Posted by: NthnBrazil
» RE: Not true actually Posted by: Xynyx
» RE: Not true actually Posted by: realist
» Trace amounts... Posted by: Phenix
» RE: Trace amounts... Posted by: dyson
» RE: Not true actually Posted by: launcher
» RE: Mercury Posted by: bornxeyed
benefit vs. risk
Posted by: catherinep on May 14, 2008 10:03 AM   
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Vaccination is all about the benefits of the vaccine outweighing the risks. That's why we don't vaccinate the general public against smallpox anymore. It was a fairly risky vaccine. That's also why in the US we use the killed polio vaccine. It's not as effective, but much safer. Countries still dealing with polio or at risk for polio use a live vaccine, which is much more effective, but riskier as well.

I used to work in public health. I am now three months away from getting my PhD in Virology and Immunology. I've read the primary sources from both sides, and am not convinced there's any link between vaccines and autism. There are many explanations for the rise in autism, including the way autism is defined, and the so-called "geek hypothesis" - due to the age of technology in which we live, many anti-social people who may be very mildly autistic are coming together in work environments, marrying and having children, thereby passing on these genes. In fact, as autism research increases, signs are recognizable early on, before immunizations are given. Researchers can now look at videos from 1 yr old birthday parties and pinpoint children with signs of autism. They have not get received their first MMR vaccine at this point (the vaccine that used to contain thimerosol). In fact, in the UK MMR vaccination rates dropped drastically when parents were worried about the autism link, and while measles outbreaks were occuring, autism rates did not change.

So criticize the author all you want. Sorry about the rant, but I feel just as strongly. The autism angle is all anyone sees. For me, I'd rather have the benefit of being protected by a vaccine. While I don't know anyone who's had smallpox, I know plenty of people who have had polio, measles and mumps, and have myself had full-blown influenza (as a healthy teenager in the 90s - it's not just the old and sick who are affected). I'd say the benefit outweighs the risks.

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» good post Posted by: fanny666
» RE: benefit vs. risk Posted by: CharlesRoland
» RE: benefit vs. risk Posted by: Phenix
WHAT?!
Posted by: undrgrndgirl on May 14, 2008 10:03 AM   
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"Big Pharma does a lot of wrong things, but mainly because they charge too much for products that are actually good."???!!!

really? what about all those drugs that have been pulled off the market in the last 7 years? what about finding out about the bogus studies on everything from cholesterol "lowering" drugs to anti-depressants...the only "good" big pharma does anymore is increasing profits for shareholders...


fluoride IS dangerous - no other country in the "western" world puts it in their drinking water.

HPV vaccine (as all others) are not without dangers...my friend's daughter almost died from guillane barre (sp?) syndrome after her hpv vaccine.

and for the record - i worked in a vaccine clinic for 5 years - wrote most of our patient education information...i've also done academic research into the pharma industry...

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» RE: WHAT?! Posted by: ncvoter
I AM autistic, and she's right
Posted by: kroenung58 on May 14, 2008 10:18 AM   
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As someone who has autism, I'm pretty sure that I've done more research on it than anyone making snarky comments on this site.
Most, if not all, of the autism "epidemic" is attributable to more precise diagnoses and the lamentable new habit of labeling other things, such as mental retardation, as autism because it's the hot trendy new disability.
Vaccinations don't cause autism. Sorry, Jenny McCarthy and friends, but they don't. Might a small percentage of kids with a predisposition develop autistic symptoms due to a freak combination of factors, including the shot? Maybe. But that can't be used as a blanket indictment of vaccination. A tiny percentage of patients die from smallpox inoculations, too, but no one is screaming that vaccinations "cause" smallpox.
Get some perspective, you anti-inoculation mommies. Your kid is MUCH more likely to die or get crippled from an untreated case of smallpox, measles, diptheria, etc. than to develop anything resembling autism. You'd rather they get smallpox than have trouble looking you in the eye? Google "smallpox image" and see what this disease does. The death rate is 30% or more, and a gruesome death at that.
And from a purely selfish point of view, I don't want to be exposed to any of these proven scourges because you were too intellectually lazy to question the propoganda on the Autism Speaks website.

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» life spans Posted by: e rice
» RE:Damn right. Posted by: boydranchitos
» This idea... Posted by: buffeliscious
jeanruss
Posted by: jeanruss on May 14, 2008 11:18 AM   
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The government and scientists have never been honest about vaccine risks. The polio vaccine was contaminated with a green monkey virus called SV40. 98 MILLION doses were given around the world, and the results may have been devastating. SV40 causes cancer FASTER than most agents known to man. This is why it is used in cancer research. They call it a cancer machine. Due to PCR testing, this virus and its fragments are being found in rare cancer tumors like osteosarcoma(bone cancer) mesothelioma and others. When these viruses show up in bone tumors in children who have never been vaccinated for polio, it is assumed that they have inherited it from their mothers. Bone tumors in children have increased FORTY PERCENT in the last 10 years. If this virus is now part of the DNA of future generations, I think there is a valid case to be reluctant to vaccinate children. The government and the medical profession have already shown that they are not honest about the risks and won't come clean about their mistakes, which are very serious.

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» RE: jeanruss Posted by: EncinoM
this article has
Posted by: Kaykay on May 14, 2008 1:22 PM   
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no basis on reality.... You didn't develop autism because you are an adult. That does not make the case or prove that 10 pound 2 month old babies should be vaccinated for 6 diseases at a time. If you took the time to research this subject beyond the CDC's website, you would have found numerous studies that contradict bigpharma and your silly little diatribe.

Could somebody explain why the US population is so unhealthy and dumb if we have the best of everything? For every expert telling us vaccines, GMO foods, and crappy water is safe- there are more sick people here than any other industrialized nation on the planet!!!

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» RE: this article has Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: this article has Posted by: bornxeyed
From today's New England Journal of Medicine
Posted by: fanny666 on May 14, 2008 3:21 PM   
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Certainly, vaccines have saved many, many lives. But the debate is ongoing, and far from the point where anybody should be making fun of those who are skeptical of vaccines by calling them cranks. In that case, you are calling The New England Journal of Medicine a bunch of "cranks".

Let me know if others cannot get that link and I'll post the text.

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'Big Pharma'
Posted by: emmas on May 14, 2008 9:03 PM   
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Actually, the pharmaceutical industry *is* pretty corrupt, greed-driven and sociopathic.

I fully support vaccinations (I wish they didn't involve needles though, as I'm phobic), but I don't think it's immature to acknowledge that the pharm. industry is responsible for some monstrous shit.

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Vaccines are good but perhaps parents should wait a few years after birth
Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com on May 14, 2008 9:36 PM   
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It's like those stories of people getting infected with ecoli, the very young and the very old are usually the ones that die.

I don't see what the big deal is in holding off vaccinations for a few years until your child is at least able to talk.

The author just seems to love ripping in to people... cranks

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» RE: Totally agree! Posted by: boydranchitos
Where your ignorance is concerned it is not our bliss!,
Posted by: Nightstallion on May 15, 2008 5:09 AM   
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I am a 62-year-old man. I have both gained and suffered from inoculations. I received a polio vaccine which was a little late to help but it did prevent, (I believe) major nerve damage to my left side which was mildly effected by the disease.

In the military, I was given a group of mass inoculations for everything from typhus to plague. I contracted Hep-C from an imperfectly sterilized auto injector. I am not happy about that. I became a diabetic, but I suffer from brittle veins and bruise terribly with every injection. One physician (not my family physician) decided I had been abused or was abusing myself with blunt instruments having me investigated by over zealous police.

I have a nephew who is suffering from Autism that may or may not have been induced by inoculations, who knows right? I do not believe in invasive inoculation unless all other approaches have been exhausted, by which I mean Ayurvedic or Naturopathic medicinal treatments. I have watched that child after he received those injections fall into a high fever for a week and be changed from a very bright active little person to a compulsive obsessive Autistic who’s only raw talent seemed to be the memorization of every thing he ever read verbatim. That is unusual but hardly worth the social ostracism that goes along with it.

I urge you to consider other forms of treatment for very young children during the formative years.

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Court decision announced February 2008
Posted by: 1oyate on May 15, 2008 5:12 AM   
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It was announced that the U.S. Court of Federal Claims and the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program ruled in favor of a child who regressed into autism as a result of vaccinations, several of which contained the mercury-based preservative thimerosal.

Case documents state that the vaccines administered to the claimant significantly aggravated an underlying condition that ultimately led to regressive encephalopathy and symptoms of autism.

According to official court documents, the child was developing normally until given the vaccines, and shortly after the shots, regressed into full autism. The child was diagnosed by nationally recognized autism medical specialists.

For more than a decade, thousands of parents have come forward with reports of sharp regression in their children following immunizations. The cases of autism have dramatically spiked in the past 15 years to as many as 1 in 150 children, making it the leading childhood developmental disorder today.

The National Autism Association (NAA) sees the ruling as confirmation of what so many parents have been saying for years. "This case echoes the stories of thousands of children across the country. With almost 5,000 similar cases pending in vaccine court, we are confident that this is just the first of many that will confirm what we have believed for so long, vaccines can and do cause children to regress into autism," says Wendy Fournier, parent and president of NAA. "We call on the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) to acknowledge that the current vaccine schedule is not safe for every child and as with the administration of any medicine, individual risks and susceptibilities must be considered for each patient."

While thimerosal has been phased out of many pediatric vaccines, it is still used in flu shots recommended for pregnant women and children. At a meeting of the Advisory Committee for Immunization Practices held yesterday at the CDC, the committee voted to recommend annual flu shots for all children up to the age of 18, and to date has refused to state a preference for mercury-free vaccines.

To learn more about autism, please visit http://www.nationalautism.org

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there is more to vaccination than the prevention of disease
Posted by: ariannaciara on May 15, 2008 5:26 AM   
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The history of western medicine has been one big human experiment after another; leeches, anyone? There are very serious ramifications to the massive vaccination program in the US. Japan, for instance, stopped all infant vaccinations in 1998 and their rate of Sudden Infant Death fell to zero. Vaccines contain viruses attenuated by formaldehyde, a known carcinogen. In addition, they are delivered in an aluminum solution which may explain the rise of Alzheimer's Disease. Reseachers in the field have found that microorganism capable of causing encephalitis in their natural form are also capable of doing so in their attenuated form which has been linked to the development of ADD, ADHD, violence...in children. There are benefits to suffering childhood diseases, For instance, with the measles rash, the body actually exteriorizes a carcinogen. People who have had measles get this specific type of cancer less often than people who have not had the measles. Vaccines set up an artificial disease in the body and do not impart true immunity. This explains not only why there are outbreaks of disease in vaccinated individuals but also why there has been a dramatic increase in the numbers of childhood cancers. While the body is trying to deal with these artificially induced diseases, cancer develops. As a librarian, I would suggest the author do some reading. Harris Coulter's, Vaccination, Social Violence, Criminality and the Medical Assault on the American Brain and DPT a Shot in the Dark are good places to start. Also, books and articles by: Richard Moscowitz, MD; Philip Incao, MD; Martin Goldstein, DVM.

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» leeches and modern medicine Posted by: e rice
» RE: Maggots and modern medicine Posted by: nightgaunt
» RE: leeches and modern medicine Posted by: ariannaciara
"Vaccination is the New Flouridation:" Because Fluoridation is also Posion
Posted by: Ohjin on May 15, 2008 5:39 AM   
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The author's title is correct.

Unfortunately she knows no thing of the dangers and ineffectiveness of fluoridation.
So little in fact, she even mis-spells "Flouridation" in her title. (Crank?)

How deep can your knowledge/understanding of the topic be, if the spelling evades you?

And so she promotes vaccination with the same mindless enthusiasm, with which she praises fluoride.

Here's some links for those that wish to hear from people on the subject, that can spell it.

http://www.fluoridation.com/colquhoun.htm

http://www.fluoridation.com/

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"Poison"
Posted by: Ohjin on May 15, 2008 5:50 AM   
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7) The industrial chemicals used to fluoridate water may present unique health risks not found with naturally-occurring fluoride complexes . The chemicals - fluorosilicic acid, sodium silicofluoride, and sodium fluoride - used to fluoridate drinking water are industrial waste products from the phosphate fertilizer industry. Of these chemicals, fluorosilicic acid (FSA) is the most widely used. FSA is a corrosive acid which has been linked to higher blood lead levels in children. A recent study from the University of North Carolina found that FSA can - in combination with chlorinated compounds - leach lead from brass joints in water pipes, while a recent study from the University of Maryland suggests that the effect of fluoridation chemicals on blood lead levels may be greatest in houses built prior to 1946. Lead is a neurotoxin that can cause learning disabilities and behavioral problems in children. (20-23)

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» RE: "Poison" Posted by: Persephone8
Professionals Urge End to Fluoridation
Posted by: nyscof on May 15, 2008 6:29 AM   
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Over 1,700 professionals signed a statement urging Congress to stop water fluoridation until Congressional hearings are conducted. They cite new scientific evidence that fluoridation, long promoted to fight tooth decay, is ineffective and has serious health risks. (http://www.fluorideaction.org/statement.august.2007.html)

Signers include a Nobel Prize winner, three members of the prestigious 2006 National Research Council (NRC) panel that reported on fluoride’s toxicology, two officers in the Union representing professionals at EPA headquarters, the President of the International Society of Doctors for the Environment, and hundreds of medical, dental, academic, scientific and environmental professionals, worldwide.

Signer Dr. Arvid Carlsson, winner of the 2000 Nobel Prize for Medicine, says, “Fluoridation is against all principles of modern pharmacology. It's really obsolete.”

An Online Action Petition to Congress in support of the Professionals' Statement is available on FAN's web site, http://congress.fluorideaction.net and over 11,000 individuals have signed so far.

“The NRC report dramatically changed scientific understanding of fluoride's health risks," says Paul Connett, PhD, Executive Director, Fluoride Action Network. "Government officials who continue to promote fluoridation must testify under oath as to why they are ignoring the powerful evidence of harm in the NRC report,” he added.

The Professionals’ Statement also references:

-- The new American Dental Association policy recommending infant formula NOT be prepared with fluoridated water.
-- The CDC’s concession that the predominant benefit of fluoride is topical not systemic.
-- CDC data showing that dental fluorosis, caused by fluoride over-exposure, now impacts one third of American children.
-- Major research indicating little difference in decay rates between fluoridated and non-fluoridated communities.
-- A Harvard study indicating a possible link between fluoridation and bone cancer.
-- The silicofluoride chemicals used for fluoridation are contaminated industrial waste and have never been FDA- approved for human ingestion.

The Environmental Working Group (EWG), a DC watchdog, revealed that a Harvard professor concealed the fluoridation/bone cancer connection for three years. EWG President Ken Cook states, “It is time for the US to recognize that fluoridation has serious risks that far outweigh any minor benefits, and unlike many other environmental issues, it's as easy to end as turning off a valve at the water plant.”

Further, researchers reporting in the Oct 6 2007 British Medical Journal indicate that fluoridation, touted as a safe cavity preventive, never was proven safe or effective and may be unethical. (1)


Many communities rejected or stopped fluoridation over the years. See: http://www.fluoridealert.org/communities.htm

SOURCE: Fluoride Action Network http://www.FluorideAction.Net


References:

(1) “Adding fluoride to water supplies,” British Medical Journal, KK Cheng, Iain Chalmers, Trevor A. Sheldon, October 6, 2007

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Bullshit
Posted by: ecoalex on May 15, 2008 6:38 AM   
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Too many Vaccinations are given too close together.Many homeopath Drs say you only need the tetanus shot, and make sure it's human grade.Cancers are born from the putrid poisons inoculations are made of. Fluoridation kills, why it is banned in Europe.Fluoride is an enzyme inhibitor.The author seems to relish in taking in any and all chemicals and putrid poisons they can.I imagine GMO food is a-ok too? To force people to eat/be ejected with these known toxins is insane wake up people.You have a Constitutional right not to have your person violated.No to vaccinations, fluoridation.

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Hmmmm...
Posted by: BST on May 15, 2008 6:57 AM   
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It's my thought that writers who freight their work with rant, sarcasm and swearing do so to divert from the glaring omissions of hard supporting evidence and cogent opposing opinion.

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the "science"
Posted by: jimshoe88 on May 15, 2008 7:11 AM   
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There is all this talk of "science" when it it comes to this subject. Show me the double blind placebo controlled studies that show that the vaccines actually work. And while you're at it, show the studies that prove they are safe. Injecting aluminum and formalin (formaldehyde) and whatever the other preservatives are into anyone doesn't sound too safe to me.

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Do Vaccines Impair Immune Function ?
Posted by: Persephone8 on May 15, 2008 7:21 AM   
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www.lightparty.com/
Health/HealingRegeneration/html/DoVaccinesImpairImmune.html


Here is an article about vaccinations from a different health paradigm.

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ALL OR NOTHING ATTITUDE DOESN'T WORK HERE
Posted by: wellaware lec on May 15, 2008 7:25 AM   
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Adjuvants and many other toxins/materials in addition to thimerosol within various vaccines have been found to be extremely dangerous. One example I did not see mentioned in about 20 of the comments I read is squalene, fine when taken orally but extremely risky when injected (it's an oil). Read Matsumoto's VACCINE A for a meticulous study of discovering why so many military/pilots/ etc. developed bizarre and terrible autoimmune disorders with some leading to death following the forced injection of a secret experimental anthrax vaccine. At one point, he states that a large group of pilots was ordered to take it and 50% of them resigned so as not to take this vaccine. Squalene, in spite of these damning findings, is still present in some vaccines, I believe TAMIFLU being one of them. And there is, by the way, a veritable epidemic of autoimmune disorders in our country, most "cause unknown" and only able to be treated symptomatically but not cured by any means.
I also, in studying various nutritional deficiencies, wonder whether serious nutritional deficiencies in either the mother or the baby/young child can predispose to extreme reactions to multiple vaccines (found to be major culprit for little ones). This kind of statistic is my reasoning for wondering why this hasn't been explored---in Dr. CArolyn Dean's book MAGNESIUM MIRACLE, she says that in mothers given significant amounts of magnesium "shortly' before birth, there were 90% fewer babies that developed cerebral palsy and 70% fewer babies that developed ANY forms of mental retardation!!!!
Also, I have read in multiple sources that the polio epidemic did NOT subside because of the vaccine so much as other environmental changes that occurred at that time. Wish I could recall what they were but I can't right now. And people have still been known to contract polio from changing the diaper of their infant who just received a vaccine, since this, among MANY other vaccines, contains a live virus, I believe.
Also, a newborn infant's immune system less than 12 hours old is in NO position to handle a blast of Hepatitis B vaccination, and all parents-to-be need to realize that many hospitals, incl. right here in Madison, WI, routinely give this without notifying the parents until AFTER it is given!!! So you have to learn to pre-empt these things, and DO YOUR HOMEWORK!!! Categorically state, in writing, what will NOT be allowed once your baby is born, and have your doc or midwife sign this as well.
And don't for a moment assume that asking about the safety of a particular vaccine of the professionals who administer will give you thorough or well-founded information. You MUST do your own ruthless, thorough homework. And don't wait til the day before you have to make a decision; get going NOW. This is a huge and complex issue.
I too was deeply disappointed in this article and actually wondered if I was reading parody or had accidentally ended up on THE ONION website or something!!! Does a huge disservice to the whole controversy around the vaccination issues, plural. Shame on this site for putting this on!
Almost enough to make me UNsubscribe.

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Vaccines equated to the Fluoridation debate
Posted by: jumperladd on May 15, 2008 7:39 AM   
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I live in Arkansas, a state that will not allow fluoride in the water, so I feel a certain connection to the author and the issue of vaccination. I substituted as a teacher for Kindergarten through 5th grade. I was appalled to see the 5 and 6 year olds with teeth missing (not from normal age-related losses), metal caps or fillings in their temporary teeth. I can see it now, the same lobbyists going to work and succeeding here to deny vaccinations to the children of this state. Maybe it will be the "new" population control device.

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Scientific Studies of the Effects of Flouride on Health
Posted by: Persephone8 on May 15, 2008 8:01 AM   
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http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/

We need to do our own research and look at the bigger picture:

The huge profit being made by pharmaceutical companies globally,
the lobbying being done to secure contracts, the deceptive science that "backs" the validity
of "medical studies".
Do not take someone else's word for anything- especially this writers.
Where did she get her research from?

It is our freedom, our health. The effects of flouride,, and mass vaccinations may not be fully understood for decades.

When something is done by governments on a mass scale- there is
usually an underlying agenda.
We need to get to the core issues. It is usually about money.

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The Facts speak the truth
Posted by: nismx on May 15, 2008 8:05 AM   
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Most are misinformed, I live in Arkansas and currently there are three towns that do not fluoridate their water supply, Hot Springs Texarkana,
and Ft. Smith. All others add Fluorosilicic Acid a Toxic Waste from Chemical factories from LA & FL. Vaccinations were originally studied by two different Dr's . Salk determined that vaccinations evoked a immune response. Beechamp determined that this actually compromised the immune system. The Drug Co's Promoted Salk and called Beechamp a QUACK!!!!!!!

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Marcotte is off her meds!
Posted by: 2dogarage on May 15, 2008 8:43 AM   
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Someone needs to give her a shot to keep her from suspecting that everyone's knees are jerking.

And I'm sure Big Pharma has a cure for her habit of undisciplined and uneducated ranting,(if not they could just press one of their other drugs for something completely different into service and market it for whatever her problem is). I can fairly feel the spittle on my face from her bilious pontification. I hope it isn't contagious.

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» Maybe she needs to be vaccinated Posted by: Persephone8
Autism Is Not the Only Hazard Related to Vaccines
Posted by: oldhippie on May 15, 2008 9:16 AM   
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I will not take a vaccine of any kind anymore. A friend of mine died three weeks after taking the flu vaccine and she had been healthy up to that point. I only give my cats one rabies shot now. One of my cats had serious health problems and eventually died because of having a rabies shot every year. We don't really know what is going into these "vaccines." My grandmother lived to be 92 and never had any kind of vaccine. People were healthier then, I think because they did not submit themselves to all the prescription drugs and so-called health practices promulgated by the medical and pharmaceutical companies of today.

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