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Poll Watch: Zogby Gives McCain 5-Point Lead; Sky Not Yet Fallen

Posted by Joshua Holland, AlterNet at 1:42 PM on August 20, 2008.


A major grain of salt is needed.

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Zogby has McCain taking the lead in its nation-wide head-to-head — a 5 point lead, outside the margin-of-error — and I’m looking forward to much hand-wringing among Dems.

Here’s highlights from Zogby’s release:

As Russian tanks rolled into the Republic of Georgia and the presidential candidates met over the weekend in the first joint issues forum of the fall campaign, the latest polling includes drama almost as compelling - Republican John McCain has taken a five-point lead over Democrat Barack Obama in the race for President, the latest Reuters/Zogby telephone survey shows.

McCain leads Obama by a 46% to 41% margin.

And McCain not only enjoys a five-point edge in a two-way race against Obama, but also in a four-way contest including liberal independent candidate Ralph Nader and Libertarian Bob Barr, the poll reveals. In the four-way contest, McCain wins 44% support, Obama 39%, Barr 3% and Nader 2%.

This latest Reuters/Zogby poll is a dramatic reversal from the identical survey taken last month – in the July 9-13 Reuters/Zogby survey, Obama led McCain, 47% to 40%. In the four-way race last month, Obama held a 10-point lead over McCain.

Got that — almost as dramatic as Russian tanks rolling in!

But wait. Zogby’s poll is an outlier — LA Times/Bloomberg, Gallup and Rasmussen all have the race within two points, and all have Obama up. The only other recent poll with a five-point spread has Obama up. Real Clear Politics' rolling average has Obama up by 1.3.

During the primaries, Zogby was also rated the least reliable firm by other polling professionals in both Iowa and New Hampshire, and the firm’s gotten quite a bit of criticism during this cycle.

What’s more, I think we should take all the polls with a grain of salt, because this will be an election that is significantly different than any we’ve seen before, and polling models are to a significant degree based on past votes — they weight their samples according to who they think will turn out to vote, but ultimately that’s as much art as science. Will the kids come out in droves, or will they disappoint yet again? Many younger voters have only a cell-phone, so they’re not always being sampled in telephone polls like Zogby’s. Will McCain escape his party’s dismal brand among newer immigrant communities — and will Latinos really make up 10 percent of the electorate as some are projecting? Who knows — it’s a guessing game.

And, of course, we don't have national elections, so the state polls in a handful of toss-ups are really what matter.

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Joshua Holland is an editor and senior writer at AlterNet.


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Movin' Over
Posted by: QQOblivion on Aug 20, 2008 1:57 PM   
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If Obama keeps moving to the right (watch his VP pick), he WILL lose.
Bush "won", or did better than he would have have otherwise, in 2000 and 2004 because he played to his base.
Obama NEEDS his base. He can't keep flip-flopping and expect to win. Republicans and Independents too, if not more than Democrats, really dislike flip-flopping.

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» RE: Movin' Over Posted by: CatDad
» RE:ality Check Posted by: Crazy H
Michael Moore said it best...
Posted by: CatDad on Aug 20, 2008 2:04 PM   
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The Democrats are professional losers....

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are these polls real?
Posted by: olita on Aug 20, 2008 3:21 PM   
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Call me a cynic, but part of me thinks these polls are all a sham to make people think this election is closer than it actually is. That way, it will be a lot easier to quell critics when GOP/Rovian ELECTION (not voter) fraud riggs the election in favor of McCain.

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» RE: are these polls real? Posted by: gathaiga
» RE: are these polls real? Posted by: VZEQICVA
As some one that saw Governor Ventura's election happen...
Posted by: chaoslegs on Aug 20, 2008 5:03 PM   
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...you nailed some of the problems in polling, especially looking at past voters. I think this election will have a lot of new voters that aren't being polled.

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Didn't Zogby predict a Kerry win in 2004?
Posted by: brunowe on Aug 20, 2008 7:53 PM   
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I'd also take polls with a grain of salt until after Labor, once any post-convention bounces have been made.

Further, Obama has been raising twice the money that McCain has. Given that Obama has kept it close in heretofore reliable Republican states like Virginia and North Carolina, McCain is likely to be worn down financially by having to cover so much ground.

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Everything going according to plan !
Posted by: TFYQA on Aug 21, 2008 11:34 AM   
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Sorry to say but… Everything is indeed going according to plan !

The idea is to make believe that the race is close then whip up a surprise ending ! The sheeple will gooble it up as in 2000 & 2004 too !!!!

America had 8 years to restore faith in the electoral system & failed miserably…

"It makes no difference who you vote for - the two parties are really one party representing four percent of the people" - Gore Vidal

RFK, Jr. - The Plot to Steal '08
Mark Cripsin Miller about his latest book "Loser Take All: Election Fraud and The Subversion of Democracy, 2000 - 20008," and how the Republicans are plotting to steal the 2008 election.
http://www.goleft.tv/view.asp?c=7&v=1296

Diebold's Plot to Steal '04 Election
Diebold whistleblower Steve Heller who, while working as a word processor at the law firm representing Diebold, saw documents proving Diebold was violating state election laws by knowingly peddling voting machine software that had not received the state certification required by law.
http://www.goleft.tv/view.asp?c=7&v=1719

Back to where we never left…

LYNCHING BY LAPTOP 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCR6IdTQTeE

“When will the American people actually vote to give to the world more than bombs and missiles, sweatshops, dubious science, frankenfood, poverty and misery?” - Cynthia McKinney

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It's Hillary's Fault
Posted by: realmuzik on Aug 21, 2008 3:44 PM   
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It pains me how these staunchly pro-choice Hillary Clinton die-hards are more willing to support the really pro-life McCain (Those flip-flops are a joke). The abortion issue really is important, especially when there is a supreme court at stake What will it take to convince them that the abortion/pro-choice issues matters?? A neighborhood pharmacy that denies themselves, their daughters and their friends legal birth control prescriptions?? That may knock some sense into them!

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