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Centrist Climate Bill Deserves Defeat

Posted by Matt Stoller, Open Left at 11:26 AM on June 3, 2008.


A centrist climate bill should go down in defeat - along with those who crafted it.
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Today in Roll Call, I'm reading a funny little exchange about the Lieberman-Warner Climate Security Act which subsidizes businesses and sort of imposes an economy-wide cap on carbon emissions.  The bill is strongly backed by Barbara Boxer and most of the major green groups, with the prominent exception of Friends of the Earth (and a weaker opposition from LCV and the Sierra Club).

"We are about to take up the most important fight of our generation, and we have no strategy, no message and no plan to get out of this," one senior Senate Democratic aide said....

"Boxer is walking us off a cliff," another senior Senate Democratic aide said.

The only group to do paid media against this bill was the Friends of the Earth, who realized early on (as did most liberal bloggers discussing this issue) that the politics didn't make sense.  You can't cut the baby in half with regards to climate.  Either you tax carbon in some form and use it to build a socially just society, or you tax it and give the money to business elites, leveling the rest of the middle class in the process.  The result of the latter scenario is 'nuclear feudalism', with a superrich class and the rest of us steeped in poverty.

Lieberman-Warner was the bill that taxed carbon (through a confusing cap and trade mechanism) and gave the money to businesses.  Business elites realized a few years ago that funding the deniers was only useful as a wedge to solicit subsidies around carbon.  In other words, they were saying something along the lines of "Don't side with the crazy environmentalists, don't side with the crazy deniers, side with moderate pro-business reasonable people who agree that climate change is a problem but don't want to cost the economy money."  If that sounds like the immigration or Energy bill or war funding fiascos, you wouldn't be far off, as the architecture of those conversations is the same as the architecture of this one.

It was not a progressive bill.  But more than that, it was cooked up behind closed doors, by groups like the Sierra Club, NRDC, the Pew Charitable Trust, and Environmental Defense.  They did no real work to organize around it, with ED running ads funded by industry.  And so of course it collapsed of its own dead weight, as it should have.

Here's Boxer back in January, on the Friends of the Earth, who were proved right in their campaign to 'fix it or ditch it'.

"They're sort of the defeatist group out there," she said. "They've been defeatists from day one. And it's unfortunate. They're isolated among the environmental groups."

Yes, they were.  They were also correct, and Boxer ignored them.  Reid shouldn't bring this bill up for a vote, and if it is brought up for a vote, Democrats Senators should all vote against it.  This process has been an embarrassment for all insiders involved, and Joe Lieberman, John Warner, John McCain, Barbara Boxer, Environmental Defense's Fred Krupp, and the Natural Resources Defense Council's Frances Beinecke should be tagged with this grotesque attempt at feeding at the public trough without anyone looking.

On the bright side, climate bloggers and Friends of the Earth did make their mark, and had real influence in the debate.  There's a lot of hope for the global warming progressive space, especially going forward into this change election.  It's a bright spot that this piece of shit is going down with such a disastrous thud, and that progressives called it out early and often.


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Anything beginning with the names, Lieberman, Warner, McCain has got to be Bushism
Posted by: channing on Jun 3, 2008 3:05 PM   
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Carbon Trading is right up there with Nuclear Renaissance as being completely counter-productive to the twin goals of carbon reduction and sustainable energy, but it certainly would permit the cor-pirates to make a few trillion more with their military-industrial-congress in tow.

Get real about our sustainable future, get informed about Solar Deserts replacing our dependency on all other sources of fuel, forever.

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The hoax
Posted by: uncleeddie on Jun 4, 2008 8:36 AM   
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With this type of bill maybe everyone bamboozled by the CO2 hoax will understand the motive behind this fraud. That is a CARBON TAX on all us pigeons. The money surprise surprise will go to the rich and big polluters won't feel a thing.

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Global Warming is real and caused by humans
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Jun 4, 2008 10:25 PM   
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Downloaded from:
http://www.skeptic.com/
the_magazine/featured_
articles/v14n01_human_
induced_climate_change.html

Dr. Tapio Schneider discusses the science behind human-induced climate change.
He is a climate scientist and Professor of Environmental Science and Engineering
at the California Institute of Technology.

How We Know Global Warming is Real
The Science Behind Human-induced Climate Change

by Dr. Tapio Schneider

Atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations are higher today than at any time in at
least the past 650,000 years. They are about 35% higher than before the industrial
revolution, and this increase is caused by human activities, primarily the burning
of fossil fuels. Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, as are methane, nitrous oxide,
water vapor, and a host of other trace gases. They occur naturally in the
atmosphere. Greenhouse gases act like a blanket for infrared radiation, retaining
radiative energy near the surface that would otherwise escape directly to space. An
increase in atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide and of other greenhouse
gases augments the natural greenhouse effect; it increases the radiative energy
available to Earth’s surface and to the lower atmosphere. Unless compensated for
by other processes, the increase in radiative energy available to the surface and the
lower atmosphere leads to warming. This we know. How do we know it?

How do we know carbon dioxide concentrations have increased?

The concentrations of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases in atmospheric
samples have been measured continuously since the late 1950s. Since then, carbon
dioxide concentrations have increased steadily from about 315 parts per million
(ppm, or molecules of carbon dioxide per million molecules of dry air) in the late
1950s to about 385 ppm now, with small spatial variations away from major
sources of emissions. For the more distant past, we can measure atmospheric
concentrations of greenhouse gases in bubbles of ancient air preserved in ice (e.g.,
in Greenland and Antarctica). Ice core records currently go back 650,000 years;
over this period we know that carbon dioxide concentrations have never been
higher than they are now. Before the industrial revolution, they were about 280
ppm, and they have varied naturally between about 180 ppm during ice ages and
300 ppm during warm periods (Fig. 1). Concentrations of methane and nitrous
oxide have likewise increased since the industrial revolution (Fig. 2) and, for
methane, are higher now than they have been in the 650,000 years before the
industrial revolution.

How do we know the increase in carbon dioxide concentrations is caused by
human activities?

There are several lines of evidence. We know approximately how much carbon
dioxide is emitted as a result of human activities. Adding up the human sources of
carbon dioxide — primarily from fossil fuel burning, cement production, and land
use changes (e.g., deforestation) — one finds that only about half the carbon
dioxide emitted as a result of human activities has led to an increase in
atmospheric concentrations. The other half of the emitted carbon dioxide has been
taken up by oceans and the biosphere — where and how exactly is not completely
understood: there is a “missing carbon sink.”
Human activities thus can account for the increase in carbon dioxide
concentrations.
......the article continues. Go to the URL above.

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The bill is too little too late and too long
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Jun 4, 2008 10:33 PM   
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Environmental policy = energy policy
Energy policy = environmental policy
because Global Warming
can lead to Hydrogen Sulfide gas coming out of the oceans.

Hydrogen Sulfide gas will Kill all people. Homo Sap will go
EXTINCT unless drastic action is taken.

October 2006 Scientific American

"EARTH SCIENCE
Impact from the Deep
Strangling heat and gases emanating from the earth and sea, not
asteroids, most likely caused several ancient mass extinctions.
Could the same killer-greenhouse conditions build once again?
By Peter D. Ward
downloaded from:
http://www.sciam.com/
article.cfm?articleID=
00037A5D-A938-150E-
A93883414B7F0000&
sc=I100322
....................Most of the article omitted......................
But with atmospheric carbon climbing at an annual rate of 2 ppm
and expected to accelerate to 3 ppm, levels could approach 900
ppm by the end of the next century, and conditions that bring
about the beginnings of ocean anoxia may be in place. How soon
after that could there be a new greenhouse extinction? That is
something our society should never find out."

Press Release
Pennsylvania State University
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Monday, Nov. 3, 2003
downloaded from:
http://www.geosociety.org/meetings/2003/prPennStateKump.htm
"In the end-Permian, as the levels of atmospheric oxygen fell and
the levels of hydrogen sulfide and carbon dioxide rose, the upper
levels of the oceans could have become rich in hydrogen sulfide
catastrophically. This would kill most of the oceanic plants and
animals. The hydrogen sulfide dispersing in the atmosphere would
kill most terrestrial life."

www.astrobio.net is a NASA web zine. See:

http://www.astrobio.net/
news/modules.php?op=
modload&name=News&
file=article&sid=672

http://www.astrobio.net/
news/modules.php?op=
modload&name=News&
file=article&sid=1535

http://www.astrobio.net/
news/article2509.html

http://astrobio.net/news/
modules.php?op=modload
&name=News&file=article
&sid=2429&mode=thread
&order=0&thold=0

These articles agree with the first 2. They all say 6 degrees C or
1000 parts per million CO2 is the extinction point.

The global warming is already 1.3 degree Farenheit. 11 degrees
Farenheit is about 6 degrees Celsius. The book "Six Degrees" by
Mark Lynas agrees. If the global warming is 6 degrees
centigrade, we humans go extinct. See:
http://www.marklynas.org/
2007/4/23/six-steps-to-hell-
summary-of-six-degrees-as-
published-in-the-guardian

"Under a Green Sky" by Peter D. Ward, Ph.D., 2007.
Paleontologist discusses mass extinctions of the past and the one
we are doing to ourselves.

ALL COAL FIRED POWER PLANTS MUST BE
CONVERTED TO NUCLEAR IMMEDIATELY TO AVOID
THE EXTINCTION OF US HUMANS. 32 countries have
nuclear power plants. Only 9 have the bomb. The top 3
producers of CO2 all have nuclear power plants, coal fired power
plants and nuclear bombs. They are the USA, China and India.
Reducing CO2 production by 90% by 2050 requires drastic action
in the USA, China and India. King Coal has to be demoted to a
commoner. Coal must be left in the earth. If you own any coal
stock, NOW is the time to dump it, regardless of loss, because it
will soon be worthless.
I have no financial connection to the nuclear power industry.

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