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The Sound of One Hand Clapping: Coal Subsidy Act To Fail?

Posted by A Siegel, Energy Smart at 2:06 PM on May 9, 2008.


How a bad energy bill will fail for the wrong reasons.
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The latest news suggests that the Lieberman-Warner Coal Subsidy Act (the Climate InSecurity Act, CISA) has moved from critical condition to the morgue. As it will require 60 votes to get past any threatened filibuster (not that the Senate Democratic Party leadership could force a filibuster on anyone other than their own Senators fighting for Americans' privacy rights), corraling enough Senators to vote for even the CISA's inadequate measures looks to be an impossible task. As Joe Romm phrased it at Climate Progress:

Serious climate legislation had been in critical condition for some months. Doctors and family members finally pulled the plug this week, and the patient appeared to lose all vital signs. The coroner listed the cause of death as “apathy.”

While disagreeing with Joe about whether to call Lieberman-Warner serious or seriously dangerous, apathy in face of ever mounting evidence of the existing damage from Global Warming and looming threats of more damage to come is moving toward reckless endangerment of America's and humanity's future prospects.

What is truly sad, truly, is that so much of what is necessary can fall into a no regret strategy, with "win-win&" categories. We can "geo-engineer" to a better planetary environment with biochar and white roofing, gaining other benefits at the same time, win-win-win paths. We can pursue greater energy efficiency, leading toward more comfortable lives while creating good jobs, reducing pollution, and spending less money on energy. With each day that passes, renewable energy is becoming more cost competitive with fossil fuel energy, even before we discuss making "external" costs internal to the calculation of energy prices. We can do so much good - even without considering the climate benefits.

Thus, one hand clapping: the Coal-Subsidy Act (fundamentally inadequate in face of the threat before us, before the US) seems unlikely to muster enough support to pass. The hand not clapping: that it won’t pass because Senators are engaged in reckless endangerment and acting as if it is too strong a measure.

Sigh ...

In the face of apathy, angst over the future.

But, back to the Coal Subsidy Act and its (imminent) demise.

Senator Boxer has said that she will shelve the bill if it is weakened too much. What is "too much" might require explanation as there are efforts to weaken the bill to try to gain more votes in support. For example, from one of the bill's authors:

Warner yesterday said he was looking for changes before the floor debate that would allow the president to “pull back the throttle” if the legislation’s emission targets cannot be met with available technology, or if the U.S. economy was under stress through, for example, $5 a gallon gasoline.

Hmmm ... Does anyone not expect that gasoline is likely to hit $5 per gallon well before Lieberman-Warner's cap on carbon emissions would even begin to take effect? Would this loop hole virtually guarantee leakage from any cap? Is that weakening the bill too much?

There are Senate Democrats who are holding out for special provisions to protect polluting industries in their states, such as Sherrod Brown:

I have serious concerns about any climate-change bill that doesn’t take into account energy-intensive industries like we have in Ohio — glass and chemicals and steel and aluminum and foundries,” Brown said.

“He’s concerned,” Brown spokeswoman Joanna Kuebler explained yesterday. “He’s leaning toward a no.”

Kent Conrad wants to protect coal-fired electricity in North Dakota. More legitimately, Maria Cantwell seems to want to ensure that those who already have low-carbon footprints are not unduly penalized in favor of those with a more polluting shoe size.

We want to make sure people who are already good at reducing CO2 emissions will continue to do that and not be penalized.

This, of course, is not even talking about those who simply don&'t believe in science, like James Inhofe (R-Exxon). Now, quite sadly, the "alternatives" being put on the table are even weaker and guarantee utter disaster, like George Voinovich's (R-Ohio) conservative (lack of) principles on climate legislation.

Sigh.

Listening to the sound of one hand clapping.


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Listen to the sound of humanity going extinct.
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on May 9, 2008 9:21 PM   
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Environmental policy = energy policy
Energy policy = environmental policy
because Global Warming
can lead to Hydrogen Sulfide gas coming out of the oceans.

Hydrogen Sulfide gas will Kill all people. Homo Sap will go
EXTINCT unless drastic action is taken.

October 2006 Scientific American

"EARTH SCIENCE
Impact from the Deep
Strangling heat and gases emanating from the earth and sea, not
asteroids, most likely caused several ancient mass extinctions.
Could the same killer-greenhouse conditions build once again?
By Peter D. Ward
downloaded from:
http://www.sciam.com/
article.cfm?articleID=
00037A5D-A938-150E-
A93883414B7F0000&
sc=I100322
....................Most of the article omitted......................
But with atmospheric carbon climbing at an annual rate of 2 ppm
and expected to accelerate to 3 ppm, levels could approach 900
ppm by the end of the next century, and conditions that bring
about the beginnings of ocean anoxia may be in place. How soon
after that could there be a new greenhouse extinction? That is
something our society should never find out."

Press Release
Pennsylvania State University
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Monday, Nov. 3, 2003
downloaded from:
http://www.geosociety.org/meetings/2003/prPennStateKump.htm
"In the end-Permian, as the levels of atmospheric oxygen fell and
the levels of hydrogen sulfide and carbon dioxide rose, the upper
levels of the oceans could have become rich in hydrogen sulfide
catastrophically. This would kill most of the oceanic plants and
animals. The hydrogen sulfide dispersing in the atmosphere would
kill most terrestrial life."

www.astrobio.net is a NASA web zine. See:

http://www.astrobio.net/
news/modules.php?op=
modload&name=News&
file=article&sid=672

http://www.astrobio.net/
news/modules.php?op=
modload&name=News&
file=article&sid=1535

http://www.astrobio.net/
news/article2509.html

http://astrobio.net/news/
modules.php?op=modload
&name=News&file=article
&sid=2429&mode=thread
&order=0&thold=0

These articles agree with the first 2. They all say 6 degrees C or
1000 parts per million CO2 is the extinction point.

The global warming is already 1.3 degree Farenheit. 11 degrees
Farenheit is about 6 degrees Celsius. The book "Six Degrees" by
Mark Lynas agrees. If the global warming is 6 degrees
centigrade, we humans go extinct. See:
http://www.marklynas.org/
2007/4/23/six-steps-to-hell-
summary-of-six-degrees-as-
published-in-the-guardian

"Under a Green Sky" by Peter D. Ward, Ph.D., 2007.
Paleontologist discusses mass extinctions of the past and the one
we are doing to ourselves.

ALL COAL FIRED POWER PLANTS MUST BE
CONVERTED TO NUCLEAR IMMEDIATELY TO AVOID
THE EXTINCTION OF US HUMANS. 32 countries have
nuclear power plants. Only 9 have the bomb. The top 3
producers of CO2 all have nuclear power plants, coal fired power
plants and nuclear bombs. They are the USA, China and India.
Reducing CO2 production by 90% by 2050 requires drastic action
in the USA, China and India. King Coal has to be demoted to a
commoner. Coal must be left in the earth. If you own any coal
stock, NOW is the time to dump it, regardless of loss, because it
will soon be worthless.
I have no financial connection to the nuclear power industry.

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Is there a ""clean" coal" advertisement on this page?
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on May 9, 2008 9:25 PM   
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If yes, it is invisible on my MacOS9.1 computer.

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How the hot ocean makes H2S
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on May 9, 2008 9:36 PM   
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From the article in Scientific American, here is the process by
which the hot ocean makes the H2S that kills everybody.

Step 1: CO2 from some source warms the earth. 251 million
years ago, 201 million years ago and 60 million years ago it was
supervolcanoes. The first of these created Siberia. This time the
CO2 comes from burning fossil fuels. Coal is the worst.

Step 2: The oceans cannot dissolve enough oxygen when they get
too warm, so the fish die. I don't know why or when the plants in
the ocean die.

Step 3: "Deep-dwelling anaerobic microbes churn out copious
amounts of hydrogen sulfide, which also dissolves into the
seawater. As its concentration builds, the H2S diffuses upward,
where it encounters oxygen diffusing downward. So long as their
balance remains undisturbed, the oxygenated and hydrogen
sulfide-saturated waters stay separated, and their interface, known
as the chemocline, is stable. Typically the green and purple sulfur
bacteria live in that chemocline, enjoying the supply of H2S from
below and sunlight from above."
The chemocline moves up and down in response to the climate.
The warmer the ocean, the higher the chemocline. Heat alone
cannot take all of the oxygen out of the ocean unless the ocean
boils, but warmer water dissolves less oxygen. Oxygen and
H2S cannot exist in the same mixed volume of water because O2
reacts with H2S by the equation:

6H2S + 9O2 = 6H2O + 6SO2

H2S removes O2 from the ocean long before heat does. If the
deep ocean warms and the supply of sulfur is adequate, the sulfur
bacteria:
1. Work faster because reaction rate doubles with each 10 degrees
C temperature rise and
2. Have a greater volume of ocean that is below the chemocline
and free of oxygen in which to live. Oxygen kills sulfur bacteria.
No, we can't pump enough oxygen down there to kill them.

The supply of H2S increases because of the above positive
feedbacks. The chemocline continues to move upward. Will a
new equilibrium be reached before the surface is reached? Is
there a barrier to chemocline rise or is it like a flipflop circuit? Is
there a threshhold temperature for this to happen? What is the
threshhold temperature of the ocean for this to happen? Does
anybody know? Ocean currents keep the deep water cold now,
but a change in the currents caused by global warming could
warm up part of the deep water. That would be a third positive
feedback.

Setp 4: Since there is no oxygen in the ocean to burn up the H2S,
H2S bubbles out of the ocean. H2S is a poison gas, so everybody
dies. The supply of H2S will be ample in spite of the reaction of
H2S with oxygen, not that we would want to breathe SO2. There
were extinction events 251 million years ago, 201 million years
ago and 60 million years ago.

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So what if gas is $5 a gallon
Posted by: ciccio on May 10, 2008 12:49 PM   
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30 years ago I paid $4 per gallon in Italy. Today the price of gas is $10 per gallon in England.
These outrageous prices are due not to the price of crude, but taxes designed to lower consumption.
Guess what, they work. Although the EU is equal to the US both in terms of population and economy, they consume less than half the oil.

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Even though it didn't pass...
Posted by: bobtr900 on May 11, 2008 8:24 AM   
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...this time does not mean they will stop trying. The Rethugs will just try to pass it in another form.

Like the farm subsidy bills the coal subsidy bill is nothing more than a transfer of taxpayer dollars over to the coal industry. Sucking up tax dollars is just another way of making profits. Manipulating laws is nothing more than gaming the system. Industry, large industry, the top tier of businesses(insurance, banking, oil/energy, health care, pharmaceuticals, telecoms, industrial farming etc) are not for free enterprise and competitive capitalism as they keep screaming, they are all about gaming the system to steal everything they can from the economic system and rape and suck it dry like the vampires they truly are.

Their free enterprise and capitalism meme is nothing more than pure BS. And as John Grisham(the famous novelist) said on Bill Moyers Journal, referring to republican voters "they vote rich and live poor".

The bottom and middle tier of businesses always vote Repub because they are too intellectually lazy to examine the Rethug myth that it protects them and looks out for their interests. The truth of the matter is that the Rethug party really only looks out for the interests of it's biggest contributors the top tier of corporations who contribute almost all of the money and thus have the most clout in the Rethug party. Any benefits accrued by the lower and middle tier of businesses is only incidental and 'trickle down'. Especially small business people are just deluding themselves into thinking the Repub party works for them. The 'mom and pop' travel or real estate business means nothing to the Repub party.

Just as the business Repubs think the party works for them so too are the religious Repubs being duped into thinking the Repub party works for them. The Repub party is NOT a theo-corporatist party it is ONLY a corportist political party. That is why so many of the early and strong supporters who worked for the WH Office of Faith Based Iniatives have quite in dusgust. Their job was nothing more than a transfer of taxpayer dollars into the hands of right wing religions, including my own religion. It was only marginally and tangentially concerned with true religious values. And even then only in the way that some religions and religious leaders interpreted these so called religious values. Most of those religious leaders were nothing more than religious corporations and based on a cult of personality often driven by greed, hate and power.

The Rethug party may have forged an alliance between the business people and the religious people but it is only a matter of time before the religious people learn that the Rethug party is all and only about Big business. It's just that Big business cannot provide the votes/voters. So the Rethugs need the religious ONLY for their votes. Boy are the religious Repubs going to be pissed off when they discover the truth, the truth that they are being bought for a few pieces of silver. They are getting nothing but some superficial window dressing and an enormous amount of 'lip service'.

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