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Hey Maureen Dowd, Please Shut Up!

Posted by Melissa McEwan, Shakesville at 12:14 PM on March 5, 2008.


Once again, she has to begin the collection of half-baked idiocies she calls a column by drawing a nearly unrecognizable caricature of feminism.
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"Hey, that's a great likeness—wait, why does MoDo have a bunny body?!"

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Part wev in an Ongoing Series by Tart and me, named elegantly and succinctly by Tart, about the World's Most Obnoxious Feminist Concern TrollTM.

Today, Maureen Dowd takes on the pressing issue of concern trolling the Democratic primary by waxing lastweekity about identity politics and the Duel of Historical Guilts. What's really at stake, don'tcha know, is not a little thing like deciding who would make the better president, but answering the question: "Is misogyny worse than racism, or is racism worse than misogyny?" Someone introduce MoDo to the theory of interlocking systems of oppression, please.

But first...once again, she has to begin the collection of half-baked idiocies she calls a column by drawing a nearly unrecognizable caricature of feminism:

Some women in their 30s, 40s and early-50s who favor Barack Obama have a phrase to describe what they don't like about Hillary Clinton: Shoulder-pad feminism.

They feel that women have moved past that men-are-pigs, woe-is-me, sisters-must-stick-together, pantsuits-are-powerful era that Hillary's campaign has lately revived with a vengeance.

In typical fashion, she draws an outline that vaguely resembles one strand of feminism, then scribbles in a bunch of nonsense and calls it a portrait, hoping the casual observer will not notice the differences--the things that just don't seem right when you stop to think about them, like if feminists think men are pigs, why are so many happily married to men...?

And once she is done reducing feminism to a cartoon masquerading as a portrait, she continues on, blaming Hillary's supposed lack of whimsy for the reason women vote for Obama.

As a woman I know put it: "Hillary doesn't make it look like fun to be a woman. And her 'I-have-been-victimized' campaign is depressing."

A woman she knows named Doreen Mowd, no doubt--who, like Maureen Dowd, would certainly find a newfound appreciation for Hillary if only she'd make it "look like fun to be a woman," and wouldn't at all then accuse her instead of making women look silly, frivolous, and unserious. Yes, if only Hillary would ignore the constant sexism thrown at her by people who say things about her like she is "openly dependent on her husband to drag her over the finish line," if only she could see the fun in that, then Maureen and Doreen would, like, totally start loving her.

Fer sure.

And then follows much desperate hand-wringing about how "the Democratic primary has become the ultimate nightmare of liberal identity politics. All the victimizations go tripping over each other and colliding, a competition of historical guilts." It's Hillary and Barack, don't you know, who can't stop playing identity politics--not the responsible, objective, and deeply concerned liberal media folks like MoDo, who only keep mentioning how Hillary's a WOMAN and Barack is BLACK because they're so responsible and objective and deeply concerned.

Clearly the only solution is to vote for a white man, so we can get past all this stuff about womanhood and skin color.

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Posted by: g50 on Mar 5, 2008 12:29 PM   
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I prefer the term "old line feminists"

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On the other hand
Posted by: Fishbone Soldier on Mar 5, 2008 1:26 PM   
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I hate to break it to you, but there are many democrats out there voting based solely on these reasons. I have talked to several female friends of mine who have chosen to vote for Hillary solely because she is female. I ask them if it would be fair for someone to vote against her because they don't want to vote for a woman, and they claim that is a different argument.

Identity politics is out there and a real problem. It would be nice if these people approached the candidates with an open mind and listened to what they actually had to say. The fact that enough people have chosen to do that is the reason Barack Obama is in the lead. I can't imagine there are too many white voters who have picked him as their candidate without giving it much though - aside from those who are as sexist as the female friends I mentioned.

Fight the Youth

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MAUREEN DOWD, GETTING BITTER
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Mar 5, 2008 1:57 PM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I used to be a big fan but her style has changed in the last few years. Fact is, she doesn't like Hillary CLinton. She doesn't have to. But stop reminding me, I get it. Hard as it is to believe, there are other things to write about. I don't care who is or isn't a feminist. Ms. Dowd, you've had an interesting life why not try a little variety in your subject matter. I miss your column. ANNA

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Amen
Posted by: weGotCactus on Mar 5, 2008 3:04 PM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I seem to recall Maureen Dowd's column being insightful and often funny in the not-to-distant past. Now I can't even finish one. Yet another recent column (bashing Hillary Clinton - apparently her only topic anymore) prompted me to write to the public editor in disgust. Honestly, the decline in her columns makes me wonder about a substance abuse problem. Perhaps even the possibility of success for Ms. Clinton has pushed her over the edge.

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» RE: Amen Posted by: blackie4aces
VERILY
Posted by: Mewsician on Mar 5, 2008 4:11 PM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
In case Mo is reading this....put me down as another one-time admirer and avid reader who these days barely glances at her stuff as I head for Krugman, Herbert, et al. As a one-time print journalist, the epitome of professional success for me - something only a tiny handful ever achieve - would be a column in the NYT. It just kills me to think that someone could get to a level most can only dream of, only to piss it all away like she apparently is determined to do. HEY MO: HOW ABOUT WRITING A PIECE ON A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G BUT YOUR PATHOLOGICAL DISLIKE FOR SEN. CLINTON? Either get over it and get back to work, or step down and let another person your age have the slot. They've earned it and will probably treat it with more respect than you are!

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» RE: VERILY Posted by: Lauren
"Bourgeois" or "liberal" feminism is the proper term
Posted by: johnclark on Mar 5, 2008 6:15 PM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
So, I go to this white girl's site and find an article on Obama next to a picture of Farrakhan. So what would you call that? Divide and conquer? (I bet some of her bestest friends are Negros). And at the end of the day, the same old crappy Democratic party we had before the insurgency.

Now this is the same "blogger" who got fired from the Edwards campaign. I wonder how much Burson-Marsteller pays for its' astro-turf net-roots bloggers? So, do they pay twice for a post if it appears two places? Or do they pay by hit counts? Just like to know.

Dividing by "identity" is the Mark Penn game plan. When a respected progressive writer challenges the narrow feminism of the Boston ladies in the New York Times, B-M goes on the attack.

So, Melissa's in the "marketing business". AlterNet should not let itself be used in a Public Relations campaign. Especially one that attempts to divide us by gender, race, and class.

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Maureen Dowd is the spawn of Satan
Posted by: rancespergl on Mar 5, 2008 9:30 PM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Her and Tim Russert. And Mark Halperin...and Nora O'Donnell...Gloria Boerger...Chris Matthews...

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seperate the apples from the oranges
Posted by: voicefromafar on Mar 6, 2008 4:22 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
er...yes, i too find Maureen's columns less interesting than i previously did...however - her take on Hillary's supporters is accurate!

She doesn't like Hillary? Of course not, that just demonstrates some intelligence.

As for the "older women" who support Hllary, like Chris Rock said, Hillary wasn't attending to her business as First Lady or else Monica wouldn't have had a chance. Most of these women are AFRAID of a black man and that's the other half of the story, the first half being that they just hate men in general, except their pussy whipped husbands.

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What you can count on from Dowd
Posted by: davescott on Mar 6, 2008 4:34 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
is that she hates the Clintons. She's made a career of hating the Clintons. And she bores me.

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» I agree. Posted by: 113121
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» Here, Here! Posted by: blackie4aces
A little understanding would be appropriate
Posted by: NotNeoCon on Mar 6, 2008 4:59 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Most people are voting for Hillary because she represents the best alternative for our country - at this time. If Barack's ideas were being repeatedly repeated with no real substance by a female - she would be laughed out of existence.

Get real, please!

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Thanks
Posted by: BST on Mar 6, 2008 5:44 AM   
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...for revealing Maureen Dowdy.

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Fabienne
Posted by: Fabienne on Mar 6, 2008 7:40 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Hey, Maureen Down, you speak for nearly all of the women I know, most of whom are over 50. If Hillary Clinton is the culmination of 50 years of feminism, we are doomed.

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caronome
Posted by: Bayardtom on Mar 6, 2008 7:45 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It would be a great thing if we could trust any candidate. But, unfortunately, they all lie. Since Dennis Kucinich is out of the race, there is no truth. Hillary lies and takes money from the big corporations; she has no idea what a national health care plan should be; she voted for the war so many times; and she lied about her support for NAFTA. WHat can she know about working for the people? Obama also tkes money from the big corporations and his health care plan is a fake also.
ONly Dennis Kucinich has the right idea about everything, hence the MSM and the big corporation and the Democratic Party torpedoed him. Thank God the people of Cleveland know who he is and voted him back into the Congress.The country desparately needs him in Congress.
When will the people of this country learn to vote for their own interests instead of the opposite? Are we all so ignorant that the big monied people can pull the wool over our eyes again and again? I guess we know the answer to that one.

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» Hear, hear, could not have said it better... Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal
» RE: Kucinich is too groovy.... Posted by: blackie4aces
» RE: I was being ironic..... Posted by: Beepath
» RE: I was being ironic..... Posted by: Beepath
Best quote I've heard
Posted by: kww355 on Mar 6, 2008 7:46 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The best quote I've heard on Hillary's candidacy came from Susan Sarandon.

"Yes, I'd like a woman president. Just not this woman."

That pretty much sums it up for me.

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Maureen Dowd is great.
Posted by: saywhat on Mar 6, 2008 7:59 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
She tells it like it is.
Go Maureen!

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Dowd
Posted by: crat3 on Mar 6, 2008 8:09 AM   
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Dowd is an obvious Obama cultist and lacking in journalistic integrity. She is in his travelling press, riding on his campaign plane, and socialize with cult leader Obama on the plane. There is an obvious implicit/explicit complicity/conspiracy between Dowd and cult leader Obama to attack Clinton with her diatribe using the media power of the New York Times. Her hateful bashing on Hillary Clinton and her use of the New York Times media power for her attacks on Sen. Clinton reflect an Obama cultest undermining the Democratic nomination process to benefit cult leader Obama.

It is about time the New York Times show some journalistic decency and rein in this Obama cultist and her attacks on Sen. Clinton.

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The reason I would not vote...
Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal on Mar 6, 2008 9:07 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
...for Clinton has everything to do with her politics and nothing to do with her sex.

She voted for the war and continues to support it with the funding.

She voted to essentially give the War Criminal in Chief the authority to bomb Iran (not that he ever felt he needed it in the first place, but it is always good to trick some Democraps to support your evil as a cover.)

I know there are misogynist and racist voters, alway were, will probably always be, but some of us can see through the smoke screens of this corrupt two party system as it now exists.

I hope Dowd dislikes Clinton for the same reasons I do, but I agree that her article does leave room for doubt. She has a right to her opinion as you have the right to criticize and even stop reading, which is probably the worst punishment for a writer.

That aside, Clinton and Obama must be the Republican version of a wet dream. Could they ever in their wildest imagination think that they would have another weak candidate to steal another election from, after the worst job done by the most inept, immoral, criminal administration in history...?

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Franny
Posted by: Franny on Mar 6, 2008 9:08 AM   
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I am a 72 year old woman. I have seen many Hillary Clintons in my time. She is no feminist. She got where she is in the traditional female way - by latching onto a promising man. Her first major job was in the Rose Law Firm. She was not a walk-in. She was offered this job when her husband was a power in Arkansas. Similarly, when she ran for senate she was strongly supported by the then Senator Schumer and other Bill Clinton friends. Why did they support her? Because she was the wife of the president.
This is not 1950. There are several women governors in America, most of whom made it on their own. In my state, California, there are two strong female senators, not to mention the Speaker of the House, with whom I do not always agree, but only because I feel she does not use well the vast power she has. Yes, some of these strong women might have inherited or married money. But that is hardly a female trait among politicians. If Hillary wanted to run as a feminist, she should have divorced Bill (he certainly deserved it, going all the way back to Arkansas) and made her own way in the world, just as the above mentioned governors and senators did. Hillary is a good old fashioned woman, in the mold Scarlet O'Hara, Becky Sharp and many a Holywood movie star. Okay, if American women can't produce a real leader, like Golda or Angela, or Maggie, fine, but don't kid yourself that Hillary is a real feminist. Just wait until the next time she's in trouble. Her voice will crack and she'll be asking her big strong hubby to come to her rescue, just as she always does. That's not feminism. That's female-ism, and that's not good if women want real equality.

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» obviously, you DO hate men, Posted by: voicefromafar
» RE: Franny Posted by: Quannah
Clinton is seriously scarey because she combines the drive for power with little self-awareness
Posted by: Suzon on Mar 6, 2008 9:20 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Reminds me of Margaret Thatcher, ready to out-macho the men.

Would Hillary drive a tank like Thatcher did? I'm surprized she hasn't done it already (please don't suggest this to her campaign people).

Perhaps Maureen Dowd is writing while frightened of Hillary. Would explain what seems to be an obsession, but not a good idea.

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Kucinich preference
Posted by: txbodhi on Mar 6, 2008 1:32 PM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Actually both Hillary and Obama in their votes on economic issues have been shills for the Oligarchic robber baron billionaires. Its also apparent that this monopolistic fascist elite trust Hillary more and trust Obama less. Governor Clinton allowed President Bush I to have the CIA ship cocaine through the Mena Arkansas airport. No wonder Bill and George senior are such buddies. Hillary and Bill started out as idealistic anti-war youth and then craving power they sold out to the petro-chemical-military-industrial oligarchy and talk progressive during campaigns and govern like Republicans. Feminists in favor of economic neoconservative fascism that threatens the middle and lower classes and environment world wide are simply feminist fascists. Such Wall Street feminists are neither nurturing nor spiritually awakened beings. Margaret Thatcher as Prime Minister of Britain was an example of an authoritarian female elitist serving upper class warfare on other classes. The real progressive candidate Dennis Kucinich recommended that his supporters at Iowa caucus precincts with insufficient number to get a delegate for Kucinich to vote for Obama. That is significant; he knows Hillary is a sell-out.

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» RIGHTEOUS Posted by: blackie4aces
» RIGHTEOUS (HCR quotes continued) Posted by: blackie4aces
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stormy7
Posted by: dpodlogar on Mar 7, 2008 10:21 AM   
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MAUREEN DOWD IS WHERE SHE IS TODAY BECAUSE OF THE HARD LINE FEMINIST. MAUREEN SEEMS TO HAVE FORGOTTEN HOW IT WAS WHEN SHE FIRST STARTED OUT IN THE REAL WORLD. MOST YOUNG WOMEN TODAY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WOMEN HAVE HAD TO GO THROUGH IN THE PAST AND STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH.
MEN START THE WARS. MEN RAPE WOMEN AND CHILDREN. EVERY 15 SECONDS IN THIS COUNTRY A WOMAN IS A VICTIM OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. 1 IN EVERY 3 WOMEN WILL BE SEXUALLY ASSAULTED IN HER LIFE TIME.
WOMEN ARE OBJECTIFIED AND WILL CONTINUED TO BE IN A PATRIARCHAL SOCIETY.
WE FINALLY HAVE A STRONG, COMPASSIONATE, LIBERAL WOMAN RUNNING FOR THE HIGHEST OFFICE IN THIS COUNTRY. MOVE OVER PIGS. IT'S TIME THE WOMEN OF THIS COUNTRY UNITE TO CLEAN UP THE MESS MEN HAVE MADE.

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» er, not quite right sis Posted by: voicefromafar
» Piss S. Posted by: voicefromafar
My Dear Stormy RE: Previous Wierdness
Posted by: blackie4aces on Mar 7, 2008 2:41 PM   
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Maureen Doud is where she is today because she has talent. She is a very good writer. In fact, some might say that she got her chance at a position many other talented writers would consider a dream come true because she is a woman, a happenstance of a society trying to correct past injustice. Not a bad thing in my book, though I doubt that was actually the case for Maureen Doud. She is uncommonly astute, often very, very funny, and fearless in the way she has taken on George Bush and his gang of vicious elves, and the Clinton mafia, earning the ire and spittle of the "so-called" liberal feminists. By going after a corrupt, illegitimate pretender like Hillary Clinton she has undeservedly caught more than her share of shit. I do not hear any of this faux feminist flatulence directed against another NYT employee, Bill Krystol, who is capable of some real harm.

Can I ask a personal question? How many times have you been raped? How many times have you been physically, or even mentally, abused? How many times have you been discriminated against, say, in employment opportunities? I ask this only so that I can understand if your post is about something that was personally experienced or is an assumption of a vicarious journey into group identity.

I was drafted because I was a male. Women at that time were exempt from being conscripted and put in a position of possibly being killed, and certainly in a position of involuntarily surrendering their individual freedom for a period of years. Would you say that was oppression of males? Have you ever had a female boss and been passed over for a promotion because a male co-worker decided they could get ahead by screwing the boss?

Do I think women are oppressed in our society, like, say, African-Americans were and to some extent still are, or the poor and uneducated? No. Do I think middle-class women in America are disadvantaged? Yes, though to a greatly diminishing degree as compared to just twenty-five years ago. Do I think the election of HRC, a corrupt, mean-spirited, fear and war mongering, potentially dictatorial woman-shades of Margaret Thatcher (hero to some "liberal" feminists!!?) as opposed to Corazon Aquino-will do anything to advance equality for women? No. A resounding no, in fact. And even if she does, what horrific price will all of us have to pay? Do not forget George Bush was the champion of another group who thought of themselves as oppressed, the Right-Wing Christians. And I don't think I have to ask what the price of that was.

One last thing. Maybe you could reconsider using all capital letters next time. It is rather like shrieking. I think that is an image feminists should like to avoid.

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