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Hillary Booed After Plagiarism Attack on Obama, "Change You Can Xerox" [VIDEO]

Posted by Steve Benen, The Carpetbagger Report at 5:27 AM on February 22, 2008.


Obama countered, "What we shouldn't be spending time doing is tearing each other down. We should be spending time lifting the country up."
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For weeks, Hillary Clinton and her campaign have done just about everything they can think of to stress the significance of another head-to-head debate with Barack Obama. When Obama balked at an event in Wisconsin, Clinton ran ads taunting him over it.

All of this had the effect of hammering home a simple point: Clinton couldn't wait to get back onto the stage with her Democratic rival. One assumed, given the emphasis, that she would use the next debate to practically tear Obama apart. Indeed, she probably wouldn't have a choice -- it's been a rough few weeks, her quiver is running noticeably low on arrows, and time for game-changing events is running out.

So, what happened last night in Austin? Well, I should note that I slept through the whole thing, but have read much of the transcript and lots of reports on what transpired. And if there's a consensus, it seemed to be that nothing happened last night that changed the dynamics of the race in any significant way. Josh Marshall's response seemed typical of most:

The level of specificity and detail in discussions of policy questions spoke well of both of them. Hillary had a strong closing. Obama has clearly improved as a debater and seemed to embody the frontrunner mantle. All of this points basically to a tie. And in the context of where this campaign is, a tie is a win for Obama because he's winning. And Clinton needs to change the dynamic of the campaign.
Notwithstanding the inflamed partisans on both sides, I think the great majority of Democrats like both these candidates, genuinely like and admire both of them. You could feel that in the responses from the audience tonight. But that pleasant equilibrium is losing the race for her right now.
I have to admit, I find this rather surprising. By any reasonable measure, Clinton is losing. If she wasn't going to use this debate to shake up the status quo, then what was the point of pushing the importance of debates so aggressively the past couple of weeks?

This is not to say that Clinton didn't take any swings at all; she did use an obviously-prepared line to go after Obama on the silly "plagiarism" flap.

"[L]ifting whole passages from someone else's speeches is not change you can believe in; it's change you can Xerox." If the audience's reaction was any indication, Obama fared better in the exchange.

There was also quite a bit of attention focused on Clinton's compelling closing statement.

"I think everybody here knows I've lived through some crises and some challenging moments in my life," she began. "And I am grateful for the support and the prayers of countless Americans. But people often ask me ... 'How do you keep going?' And I just have to shake my head in wonderment, because with all of the challenges that I've had, they are nothing compared to what I see happening in the lives of Americans every single day."
Then, with the careful geographical precision that is one of her political strengths, Clinton ended this riff by describing a wrenching visit to wounded soldiers at the Brooke Medical Center in San Antonio. It would be melodramatic to believe that a single debate response could rescue a drowning candidate. But Clinton's Austin answer seemed destined to, at minimum, be remembered as a high point of her campaign.
And then maybe out of carelessness or amnesia, Clinton went a beat too far. Turning to Obama, she said, "Whatever happens, we're going to be fine ... I just hope that we'll be able to say the same thing about the American people, and that's what this election should be about." It was a lovely sentiment, one that would make any presidential debater proud. The only problem was -- as the Obama campaign gleefully pointed out in a press release shortly thereafter -- that John Edwards had used almost the identical words in a mid-December debate.
Does this mean Clinton is guilty of plagiarism? For the love of God, no. It's just a reminder that sometimes politicians borrow words and phrases, all of which is routine, and none of which is worth raising a fuss over.

So, who "won"? Most seem to agree that there was no obvious "winner," which as a practical matter, means Obama has a reason to be pleased this morning.

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Steve Benen is a freelance writer/researcher and creator of The Carpetbagger Report. In addition, he is the lead editor of Salon.com's Blog Report, and has been a contributor to Talking Points Memo, Washington Monthly, Crooks & Liars, The American Prospect, and the Guardian.


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Posted by: happyhermit on Feb 22, 2008 8:05 AM   
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what's funny is that they're all "plagiarizing." speakings words are plagiarism, but politicians in particular have speechwriters. they're plagiarizing the words of their speechwriters. it's annoying. people praise obama for being gifted with language, but it's actually his speechwriters (and come on, it's not THAT gifted.) what bothers me is not that politicians steal other peoples' lines, but that they twist them away from their original meaning. obama has made a hobby of lifting "the fierce urgency of now" from MLK, but MLK was talking about ending the war in Vietnam immediately and reducing our military budget so as to avoid our "spiritual death." obama will not end the war and he wants to increase the size of our army, which already spends more money on itself than the rest of the world combined. he also lifts lines from chavez, obviously, and the hopi indians, and i'm sure there's a long list that could follow this with a bit of research. there should be an obama speech-generator online somewhere...one of those things that scrambles inspiring words and phrases together to come up with chunks of hope.

i think it's not that Obama is so great, but that other politicians are so terrible, remarkably terrible, at appearing sincere and inspiring. what they hell is their deal? i had high school teachers who have blown me off my feet. if all it takes to become president is a cookie cutter platform, some advisers, and a blend of sanitized literature, then what the hell, i nominate half the people i know.

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OK, who is the plagarizer?
Posted by: drich on Feb 22, 2008 9:13 AM   
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Hilary

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» RE: OK, who is the plagarizer? Posted by: maxjakewell
"Tantrums and Tirades
Posted by: ~Fiona~ on Feb 22, 2008 9:20 AM   
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That's about all you can expect from the current political old school, or "status quo" as John Edwards so accurately pointed out before leaving the field... While politically elitism may have worked in the past policial arena, its a new ballgame and the sleeping giant that is the american people is at long last beginning to "Wake Up"!

Whine and complain all you want Hillary, but come November you'll be looking for a different line of work.

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my biggest concern
Posted by: andrewstromotich on Feb 22, 2008 9:23 AM   
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with obama is still his connection to bryzinski, adn i would really love to develop a debate about him and his importance to obama.

in the 1980's i was terrified of the direction the US was taking with regards to arms build up and confrontational politics with the USSR. bryzinski was a strong supportive voice of reagan and the military expendeture that was going on at that time.

looking at the timeline it's hard not to notice what this meant for medicare. basicly u have nixon handing hospitals over to the private sector in the 70's, followed by a huge usage of new monies on military spending in the 80's, making any hopes of medicare impossible.

now we have obama, who listens closely to the aparently reformed bryzinski (bryzinski has said he was wrong in his thinking in the 80's), but lets look at what obama said... remember the comments about admiring reagan? remember obama saying he thought reagan moved the country in the right direction. sounds an awful lot like the 80's bryzinski.

that whole thing with the patriot employment act also reminds me of reagan. remember the smashing of japanese cars publicly, and the isolationist politics of the 80's? The "patriot" employment program huh?

and then u have obama talking about expanding "the war on terror" into pakistan, which he says he will invade if the pakistanis don't help him hunt down osama 9sounds an awful lot like how we all ended up in afghanistan in the first place)...

i don't care about this plagerism arguement. i know presidents are all puppets, what i want to see is an analysis of the puppet masters, and obama's seems to be bryzinski, who's attitudes and ideals endorsed a gov't that raided the public trust for the good of the military industrial complex, who touted isolationist policies, and who brought us to the brink of nuclear war (let us not forget that pakistan is a nuclear power unlike afghanistan)...

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» RE: my biggest concern Posted by: desidid
» RE: Obama respecting reagan Posted by: andrewstromotich
What's wrong with Xerox if it works...
Posted by: heyhick on Feb 22, 2008 9:46 AM   
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Xerox getting a bad shake. If we can make positive change or begin positive change via the Xerox method, say copying the healthcare template of any number of modern, democratic and industrial societies, and improve our current sorry state of American healthcare, why not do it.
Hillary has said her plan would be 'uniquely Amercian.' Why does it need to be? And at what cost? Too many policies today are uniquely American and uniquely failing. I'd like to hear (from Obama) a plan that quickley gets to universal healthcare based on a mix of processes from countries that have been doing it for decades, and perhaps includes the good outcomes of medicare and medicade, and any state systems that may work. But don't want to see it commissioned out for 3 years, only to be shot down. Oh and here is the plan 1/ gov covers all. 2/ gov puts profit controls on healthproviders. 3/if private industry comes up with a way to do it better for equal cost or cheaper, then hand it off.

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Xeroxing aside
Posted by: parochial on Feb 22, 2008 10:57 AM   
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Mrs. Clinton's closing remarks were about as sincere as noblesse oblige CAN be, I guess.

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» RE: Xeroxing aside Posted by: babs
» Praising Hillary Posted by: foreverhope
» RE: Xeroxing aside Posted by: aonghus36
Oh no where's xbj to shriek so loud
Posted by: meetmeineleusis on Feb 22, 2008 11:09 AM   
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it shatters the windows on his glass house?

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We need to unite the country around a very specific goal:
Posted by: improperly_sedated on Feb 22, 2008 2:08 PM   
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elevating me.

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Unfortunate gaffe...
Posted by: sheena2u on Feb 22, 2008 2:32 PM   
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on Hillary's part, and it will cost her.

I cannot imagine what possessed her to go ahead and speak those words.

I have listened to some of Obama's speeches, and although he talks alot about taking the high ground, he manages to fit in his barbs against her. Frankly, I don't enjoy hearing anyone torn up even if it is done subtly. However, during the debate he seemed to be taking great pains to be respectful and keep the debate on the issues.

When he answered the "plagiarism" charge he dismissed it skillfully and thoroughly. The best thing for Hillary to have done, was to have dropped the subject. She had not won that argument, and because I like Hillary a lot, I winced and felt wounded when she said it. As a supporter, even though its a small thing in the grand scheme of things, it has given me pause.

It was more than a criticism, however unfair, of Obama. The real offense in the remark was that she appeared to mock "change." She said something to do with it not being change we can believe in, but change we can Xerox. Its as if the good people in the United States have no hope of change, and it was a slap in the face to us all. I can't imagine who put her up to making that statement, but whoever it was ought to be fired.

It was a remark that was, indeed, beneath her dignity and station. I was very disappointed.

Either way we still have two outstanding Democratic candidates, but I too am tending more toward Obama every day. We don't just vote for the best candidate, but for the candidate who runs the best campaign. Hillary dealt her campaign a blow with her careless words on that subject. However much talent she brings to the table, and she does bring a great deal, I believe her slip up will cost her in respect and in votes.

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Who Wrote the "Xerox" Comment For Hillary?
Posted by: WaldoMaui on Feb 22, 2008 2:32 PM   
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So, let's see. How many politicians can you name who give credit to their speechwriters by name every time a phrase is spoken?

Hillary, you lost this manufactured controversy. Move on.

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Hillary has given up...
Posted by: jimidee on Feb 22, 2008 5:15 PM   
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I saw it in her eyes and her body language, as well as what she said at the end of the debate last night.

I have seen that look before. Several years ago when I lived in Montana, I was washing dishes in the kitchen just after dark, and heard the sounds of a wicked fight out back. There was no doubt that our 120 lb. male german shepherd, Trooper, was fighting with something, but I couldn't figure out what. Then the sounds stopped suddenly as I ran to the back door and hit the flood lights. There was our dog in the jaws of a big mountain lion...and although I could see that he was still very alive, he was no longer struggling. He just looked at me with his big brown eyes as I stood there in shock. When I broke for my gun the big cat took off with Trooper in its mouth. He was running with my dog in its mouth and Trooper wasn't even touching the ground.

I saw that same look in Hillary last night... she had just stopped struggling.

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A DOUBLE DOWN & BUST for Hiilary.....
Posted by: peridot on Feb 23, 2008 8:28 AM   
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If this campaign has something to do with judgment, then Hillary is the BIG loser. First she attacks Obama for plagiarism and then turns on the smarm with a plagiarized tearjerker. WHAT WAS SHE THINKING???? I would call it very bad judgment under stress. Not a good sign.

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