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Is South Carolina a Game Changer?

Posted by Steve Benen, The Carpetbagger Report at 3:06 PM on January 27, 2008.


I think most political observers expected an Obama victory, but I'm hard pressed to think of anyone who thought he'd win by 29 points.
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Not long after the polls closed in South Carolina, NBC's Tim Russert suggested that Barack Obama might win by 30 points. The very idea struck me as utterly ridiculous. After all, his biggest lead in a non-partisan poll was 15 points, rumor had it the race had become more competitive the campaign's waning days, and this is a state in which Hillary Clinton had led for an entire year, including as recently as December. For Russert to even suggest a huge victory was likely to make a "mere" 12-point Obama victory look unimpressive by comparison.

But it turns out the number wasn't crazy after all. With just about every precinct reporting, the final results look like this:

1. Barack Obama -- 55.4%

2. Hillary Clinton -- 26.5%

3. John Edwards -- 17.6%

I think most political observers expected an Obama victory, but I'm hard pressed to think of anyone who thought he'd win by 29 points. He beat Clinton and Edwards combined. His vote totals were also more than John McCain and Mike Huckabee combined. More Dems voted for Obama yesterday than voted in the entire 2004 South Carolina Democratic Primary. Obama even had more votes than George W. Bush had when he beat McCain in 2000.

Whether the results have a lasting impact or not remains to be seen, but Obama's win was a good ol' fashioned thumpin'. John Dickerson put it this way: "Barack Obama beat Hillary Clinton so badly in South Carolina it may spawn some new kind of Southern colloquialism. When Clemson spanks an opponent by five touchdowns it will be called an Obama. Fans will taunt the losing team as they walk off the field by making an 'O' against their foreheads."

As for all the talk about race, there were some polls in the last few days showing Obama's support dropping to just 10% of white South Carolinians. The reality proved to be far different -- Obama over-performed among white voters, winning a clear majority of younger whites and tying Clinton among white men.

As I'm usually inclined to do, let's consider the various spins we're likely to hear:

Barack Obama -- What Obama fans are saying: Clinton threw everything they had at us, and we won by nearly 30 points. We just got the big mo back. What Obama critics are saying: Enjoy it now, because on Feb. 5, no one's going to remember South Carolina.

Who's right? Well, it's too soon to tell. Obama seemed to be losing the momentum lately, and expectations were poised to make a modest South Carolina victory look unimpressive. Then he won by 29 points and, all of a sudden, David's slingshot is looking pretty effective again.

Hillary Clinton -- What Clinton fans are saying: At least we didn't slip to third. What Clinton critics are saying: It might have been closer if you guys hadn't turned voters off with all the hardball tactics.

Who's right? Probably the critics. It's interesting that the Clinton campaign was clearly worried about slipping to third, and actually launched a robocall effort yesterday morning against Edwards. Moving forward, though, Clinton will have to decide what to do about her style of campaigning: if the campaign decides that aggressiveness didn't work in South Carolina, watch for a more positive, issue-focused Clinton over the next week.

John Edwards -- What Edwards fans are saying: We still picked up delegates and we're not going anywhere. What Edwards critics are saying: A third place showing in a state he was born in and won in 2004 suggests things aren't going to get better for the former senator.

Who's right? Both are. This is the third contest in a row in which the late buzz suggested an Edwards surge, and once again, it didn't materialize. He did well enough to win convention delegates, but he needed a very strong showing to give him a boost in advance of Feb. 5. It clearly didn't happen. Edwards will now lack the resources to make a serious push moving forward.

UPDATE: Bill Clinton tries to diminish Obama's landslide victory by comparing him to Jesse Jackson.

I really, sincerely wish Bill Clinton wouldn't make comments like these.

For those of you who can't watch clips online, the video shows a reporter asking the former president earlier today, "What does it say about Barack Obama that it takes two of you to beat him?"

Bill Clinton responds, "Jesse Jackson won South Carolina twice, in '84 and '88, and he ran a good campaign. And Sen. Obama's run a good campaign here; he's run a good campaign everywhere. He's a good candidate with a good organization."

Now, given the racial angle to the campaign, it's probably unhelpful for the former president to discount the Obama victory by citing Jesse Jackson.

It's possible the Clinton campaign could argue that BC's Jackson reference had nothing to do with race, and the former president was just mentioning Jackson to demonstrate that candidates who do well in the South Carolina primary don't always go on to win the race.

But why, then, not mention John Edwards' victory in the state four years ago? Why specifically connect Obama to Jesse Jackson after weeks of talk about misusing race in the campaign?

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Steve Benen is a freelance writer/researcher and creator of The Carpetbagger Report. In addition, he is the lead editor of Salon.com's Blog Report, and has been a contributor to Talking Points Memo, Washington Monthly, Crooks & Liars, The American Prospect, and the Guardian.


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Putrid and Pathetic
Posted by: jmooney on Jan 27, 2008 5:15 PM   
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The Clintons are putrid and pathetic and should be repudiated at the polls. Thanks you S.Carolina!

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Ummm...
Posted by: awakeallready on Jan 27, 2008 10:06 PM   
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I don't know about anyone else, but all these primaries that have these *dramatically* different vote totals from all the polls and predictions are starting to make me nervous. Polls, being based on probability are rarely perfectly accurate, but when they're THIS bad I start wondering about the vote counting process. Maybe the last few years have just conditioned this response in me, but still...

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» RE: Ummm... Posted by: VZEQICVA
Bill raises new issues
Posted by: robchapman on Jan 28, 2008 4:34 AM   
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Hillary Clinton's campaign is reeling from the one two punch it received in SC.

The damage to Clinton's campaign inflicted by Obama's big win in SC is serious, but reparable.

More serious is the damage Bill's conduct has done to her.

Hillary's most serious problem has always been her high negative ratings. That is to say, a very large proportion of the electorate hate her and will go out to their way to hurt her.

Her campaign has rebutted this by acknowledging it, and pointing out that Hillary's negatives are known. Unlike the others, she knows what aspects of her image are unattractive to voters.

Bill's conduct in the SC primary has changed that. Suddenly an enormous new set of negative issues has arisen, around Bill and his role in a future Clinton Administration.

For many Bill's conduct has shown that Hillary's effectiveness as President could be seriously undercut by his misconduct. Adding to this unease is the sense that the Clinton's do not have the sense of propriety needed to limit Bill on their own.

One may legitimately question from the SC primary whether President Hillary could be blindsided by the impact of Bill's actions on her behalf.

The potential for such a misstep, and the obvious potential for far-reaching bad consequences of such a misstep will be a deal breaker for Hillary with many undecided voters.

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and exactly what is Karl Rove doing these days?
Posted by: Suzon on Jan 28, 2008 4:34 AM   
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Leopards and manipulators don't change their spots. The one Democratic candidate who could win against the Republican candidate is being quite systematically marginalized.

The corporate media have been selling the Dems' caucuses and primaries as a two horse race. The old big lie technique. And perhaps with some additional tampering with polls and ballots.

These guys are dedicated "to do whatever it takes" (a direct quote from a retired Methodist (!) minister) to keep the country in what they perhaps sincerely believe to be "safe hands".

Some of us have seen the terrorists and know that they are in charge. Clinton is openly part of the pack. Obama is also part of the pack, but in the disguise of Chance the gardener (Peter Sellers' character in "Being There", the film of Jerzy Kosinski's novel) who simply intones "All is well and all will be well in the garden" which allows everyone to project their hopes and desires upon him.

John Edwards does not take corporate money. He can beat any Republican candidate (sadly, Clinton or Obama as the nominee would bring out plenty of sexists and racists who would otherwise stay at home). He is the candidate who has a smart, workable plan that would provide universal health care. He has no enthusiasm for empire and its required warmongering. And, for the record, his designated home state is North Carolina.

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Polls are often bad
Posted by: robchapman on Jan 28, 2008 4:49 AM   
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Polls, being based on probability are rarely perfectly accurate, but when they're THIS bad I start wondering about the vote counting process.

If the elections are flawed, it will be weeks or months before the definitive facts are known, but some factors to consider are.

The SC primary was conducted by the political party involved rather than by the state, so there may be differences in vote counting methodology.

Every poll taken before each primary has shown a large segment of undecided voters. In SC, for example, on Thursday the undecided vote was reported as 36%.

Clearly these people made up their minds late in process- or at least reported being undecided until late in the process- and broke for Obama.

Second the methodology in the polls is not all that great. The samples are small, one doesn't know how well the poll takers are trained and there are other problems in execution that plague the quick and dirty type of polling used to project the primaries.

Third, the campaigns affect the outcomes. The States that have voted so far are small and the candidates have devoted a lot of resources to them. It is not unreasonable to believe that gifted politicians like Clinton, Obama and Edwards can push the needle in these circumstances.

The other commenter's suspicions are not misplaced, there are plenty of reasons to suspect manipulation.... but there are also objective reasons for the discrepancies between the announced projections and the outcome of the voting.

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Who's Maya Supporting?
Posted by: Urstrly on Jan 28, 2008 4:57 AM   
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I can't help but wonder what poet Maya Angelou, who dubbed Bill the first black president, is thinking these days--and who she's supporting.

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» RE: Who's Maya Supporting? Posted by: mnascimento
NOT BY A LONG SHOT
Posted by: Jersey Devil on Jan 28, 2008 6:52 PM   
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Granted the Republican Party and Conservative Media want to anoint Obama King as soon as possible to lock in a Democratic Candidate they know they can Swiftboat into obscurity and retain the White House. Everyone should wait for Hillary and John to concede before crowning Obama our Tribal Chief.

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