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NY Atty General Uses Racist Expression in Reference to Obama

Posted by Pam Spaulding, Pam's House Blend at 12:40 PM on January 10, 2008.


This bush-league nonsense exposes the real problem--that the lack of engagement on how race and political races bring out the worst in people.
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Oh no he didn't. (TPM):

During an appearance yesterday on talk radio - at almost the same time as Obama co-chair Jesse Jackson Jr. questioned Hillary's tears - New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo used some words with a very troublesome racial history, apparently in reference to Barack Obama.

"It's not a TV crazed race. Frankly you can't buy your way into it," Cuomo said, according to Albany Times Union reporter Rick Karlin. He then added, "You can't shuck and jive at a press conference. All those moves you can make with the press don't work when you're in someone's living room."

You see folks, this is what I'm talking about. This whole "post-racial" nonsense is a simple fantasy or delusion uttered by people who think race isn't a problem anymore. I'd like that to be the case as much as anyone else, but the fact of the matter is for Democrats, the alleged party of tolerance, this kind of bush-league nonsense exposes the real problem -- that the lack of engagement on how race and political races bring out the worst in people, and plays to the base fears of voters.

As predicted, Clinton supporter Andrew Cuomo unleashes "shuck and jive" then issues a statement that his comments were "taken out of context," since he later complimented Obama. [Be prepared to see that statement trotted out frequently in the future when it comes to incidents like this.]

"It was never about Obama in the first place," Cuomo told me of the use of the phrase, which he said he was using "as a synonym for 'bob and weave'.'"

My god. I know the smarter-than-thou political set thinks we're all rubes out here, but come on, this is incredible. This is what "shuck and jive" means, and it doesn't have anything to do with boxing, rope-a-dope, or anything benign:

"To shuck and jive" originally referred to the intentionally misleading words and actions that African-Americans would employ in order to deceive racist Euro-Americans in power, both during the period of slavery and afterwards. The expression was documented as being in wide usage in the 1920s, but may have originated much earlier.

"Shucking and jiving" was a tactic of both survival and resistance. A slave, for instance, could say eagerly, "Oh, yes, Master," and have no real intention to obey. Or an African-American man could pretend to be working hard at a task he was ordered to do, but might put up this pretense only when under observation. Both would be instances of "doin' the old shuck 'n jive."

What's really sorry is that in this DKos thread there are people actually running for cover and either 1) denying Cuomo supports Senator Clinton (he endorsed her, but is not part of the campaign) or 2) that the use of shuck and jive isn't a big deal and Obama supporters are exploiting this "gaffe." This is sad, and the vitriol in the thread only proves my point about how raw race discussions can be when they only surface in situations like this, rather when tempers aren't heated. DnA:

What I wish Obama would say, but won't and shouldn't:

It's nice of Mr. Cuomo to lift his face out of a plate of Spaghettios and take off his mirrored shades to comment on the Democratic Primary. Will he be breaking my legs so as to keep me from running off the plantation, or is he going to get Paulie Walnuts to do it?

See this is why I can't run for office.

The only way Obama can win is by not taking the bait. Unfortunately, if he wants to keep the goodwill of white voters, he has to play down what was an flagrantly racist insult.

Sigh. The downward spiral. Obama cannot take the bait lest he be seen as the angry negro. I have been blogging for some time now about the Democrats willing to "go there" that will be paired with equal amounts of innocent "deniability". As I said, we're going to see that "out of context" bs a lot more now.

And make no mistake, the eruptions of misogyny toward Clinton from all corners make it clear how raw those discussions are as well. This campaign is going to be extremely messy and divisive; the question is whether people are going to actually engage these problems head on, or keep playing whack-a-mole when uncomfortable, offensive events like these pop up. Pols, pundits and people in general are doing everything they can to make this election "post-racial" and too much is emerging that not much has changed.

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Pam Spaulding blogs at Pam's House Blend.


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Yes and no . . .
Posted by: Scientz on Jan 10, 2008 1:07 PM   
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Whereas I know, and the author know the etymology of "shuck and jive" I doubt Cuomo was aware of its connotations. Occam's Razor.

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» RE: Yes and no . . . Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Yes and no . . . Posted by: Scientz
» RE: Yes and no . . . Posted by: EncinoM
It's better than "shock and awe"
Posted by: phoenix_fire999 on Jan 10, 2008 1:19 PM   
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I'd take Obama's shuck and jive any day! Barack the Vote!

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Oh, Hell No!
Posted by: mnascimento on Jan 10, 2008 1:37 PM   
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I know when someone is using language to conjure up an image. We live in an age of advertising, folks.

Ross Perrot used the phrase "tap dancing around the issues" There are so many great tap dancers, Black and White that the image was a fleet footed individual skirting issues.

What shuck and jive calls to mind is unambiguous.

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MAYBE WE ALL NEED A THICKER HIDE
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jan 10, 2008 1:55 PM   
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Hillary Clinton is a white female. Barack Obama is male and non white. It's not possible to refer to either without some form of reference that is 'offensive' to somebody out there. We all have a way in which people define and describe us. I am blonde, divorced, half Polish and female. A sense of humor also helps. All the racial/sexist stuff is keeping us from the real reasons why these people put themselves out there. Thanks, ANNA

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Hey!
Posted by: hurricane hugo on Jan 10, 2008 4:52 PM   
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Leave Spaghettios out of this!

plur

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Maybe now we can have that "national conversation on race"
Posted by: rury on Jan 10, 2008 5:11 PM   
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that Bill Clinton promised when he was president but never actually initiated.
With a man of color as a leading contender for a major party presidential nomination,
issues like the Cuomo remark are bound to rear their ugly heads now and then.

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cuomo's bro's
Posted by: cwilsondrum on Jan 10, 2008 8:34 PM   
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try to find out how many times mr. cuomo has used a black slang saying when referring to his goomba's,or whatever his friends may happen to be. bet you $100.00 the answer is never,so it is obvious that when the moment came his brain went exactly to that place that expresses his summation of the 'way it is".bro' what a dumbass!

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» Oh cut him some slack Posted by: halweiner
» And while we're at it . . . Posted by: hagwind
And furthermore
Posted by: halweiner on Jan 11, 2008 4:21 AM   
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Check Obama's VOTING record and ABSENTEEISM ( very selective, when something like war funding comes up so he won't have to explain what didn't happen) on issues like the Bankruptcy Act ( he voted for it, screwing the middle and lower class debtors as requested by the Bush Administration ); voted for the expanded Patriot Act taking away your civil liberties; and in most respects as far as politics go, is whiter than I am. And not as " black " as Dorothy Day, Mother Teresa, and Dan Berrigan. Beauty may only be skin deep but skin is not deep at all. What you see is not necessarily what you get. All this outrage on a dumb comment is a smokescreen for a lack of any coherent program. Yea, Team!

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Don't foist your narrow-mindedness on all of us
Posted by: wavydavy on Jan 11, 2008 8:32 AM   
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Given the tone of this post, and your ability to discern interior motives with your magic looking glass, I presume you are protesting and trying to shut down this establishment and this one.

And, if this phrase can only be used as a racist comment, how do you explain its being used like this?

Or like this?

Or like this?

Or like this?

Or like this?

Or maybe you should just grow up and stop being so hypersensitive.

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Speaking of racism,
Posted by: weslen1 on Jan 11, 2008 8:37 AM   
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If you want to know who the true racists are, just tune in to c-span any time the house or senate are having their one minute speeches and listen to the black leaders. You will hear what I have heard for many many years. Whenever a black representative or black senator makes a speech on any subject, he/she qualifies the remarks by making it about RACE. Even the most racist white southern MEN, like Trent Lott, Haley Barbour etc. do not do this. Every speech by a black senator or representative is racist. They want to help "black children", "black elderly", "black disabled" "black poor", "black disaster victims". They don't care about any other person. If you are poor, elderly, disabled ,sick, or a child, if you are not black, you are invisible. Even the existence in CONGRESS of a "Black Caucus" is racist. What do you think would happen if they ever had a "White Caucus" or a "Hispanic Caucus"? One of the problems with all those "White Southern Republicans" is that they still believe the hype that the vast majority of people benefiting from domestic programs for poor, disabled and unemployed, such as welfare, food stamps, etc. are black. That's because all of those "Studies" they do are conducted in cities such as Detroit and Chicago and not Portland, Maine or Tacoma, Washington or Pueblo, Colorado. You can't get the statistics you are looking for as a white southern republican if you do the study in a state where only 1 percent of the entire population is black. Our congress has to start working for ALL the people, not one race or the other.

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» RE: Speaking of racism, Posted by: kimbari
History repeats itself.....ad nauseum
Posted by: xvictor on Jan 11, 2008 8:51 AM   
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The republicans raged and frothed at the mouth ad nauseum after Hillary's utterrance of "vast right-wing conspiracy" during a radio interview. They made a big fukkin deal over nothing, imo. I sure hope the Dems don't suffer from the same disease.

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Better late than never
Posted by: SavageDissension on Jan 11, 2008 8:51 AM   
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I'm glad to see I'm not the only one throwing the BS flag on this. Shuck 'n jive is fair game; the only immediate image it conjures to me similar to that of juking or head-faking as one would in basketball. Stop making ridiculous issues out of nothing like this; this ol' shuck 'n jive only hurts our credibility when real racism rears it's head.

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Tempest in a Teapot
Posted by: willymack on Jan 11, 2008 11:17 AM   
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Black slang has become as much a part of our language as jazz has become a part of American culture. They're both gifts from Black America, and tend to enrich our language and culture. There will come a day when our descendants will wonder what all the "race" nonsense was about, but that day will arrive in fits and starts. Expressions like "out dere",, somethin' else, "shuck & jive", for example, are as much a part of our language now as any other slang used to emphasize points, and as such are harmless unless some busybody who should know better tries to stir the pot with unwarrented accusations.

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Pam is jiving, which means to mislead
Posted by: Gramma Diana on Jan 11, 2008 3:02 PM   
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If you put the question and his comments together, you realize the race he is talking about was the NH race/people.

Question: "You know I’ve said this on my show before, I think the American people are very lucky to have most these candidates, the major party candidates, I think they’re all quality people, they have disagreements, but they’re all quite talented, and I think the people of Iowa and now New Hampshire really have allowed the rest of America to see much of this because I think to their great credit it requires politicians to kind of get down, not kind of, get down in the grassroots, I think I heard John McCain say he had something like 110 community meeting before the primaries - fabulous - you know, I wish we could see that here in New York."

Andrew Cuomo: "You know I’ve spent a lot of time in other races, especially in Iowa and in New Hampshire, back with Gore and back with Clinton. Those races require you to do something no other race does, you know, and I like it, and I agree with you, it’s a good thing.
"It’s not a TV-crazed race, you know, you can’t just buy your way through that race ...It doesn’t work that way, it’s frankly a more demanding process. You have to get on a bus, you have to go into a diner, you have to shake hands, you have to sit down with ten people in a living room.
"You can’t shuck and jive at a press conference, you can’t just put off reporters, because you have real people looking at you saying answer the question, you know, and all those moves you can make with the press don’t work when you’re in someone’s living room.
"And I think it’s good for the candidates, I think it makes the candidates communicate in a way that works with real people because you know in a living room right away whether or not you’re communicating, and I think the questions are good and I think the scrutiny is good, so you can, you can say they’re small states and they get a lot of attention -- they are very good for the process, I believe that."

Shuck can mean to deceive and jive can mean to mislead. You can't find those words together in the dictionary. We are going too far with this being politically correct unless all the young people will stop their new hip talk so we old ones can understand them.

If you go to Mr. Obama's website and look at his Plans, not the summaries, but the PDF Plans. He has plans to spend money right and left. I wonder where he is going to get this money, not from the taxpayers, we're broke, 9 trillion dollar National Debt. He wants to leave some soldiers in Iraq and send more to Afganistan. He is for Nuclear Power plants, when scientists tell us we can build solar power plants in the deserts of the southwest to provide enough electricity for the whole U.S.A. He wants to expand the Army and Marines, does that mean a draft because they aren't meeting their quotas as it is. He stated "No President should ever hesitate to use force – unilaterally if necessary – to protect ourselves and our vital interests when we are attacked or imminently threatened." Imminently threatened sounds like Bush's attack first, ask questions later. He said he had more foreign policy experts from the Clinton administration backing his candidacy over Hillary Clinton's, but her list had 80 names and his 47. He said "We cannot expect to insulate ourselves from all the dislocations brought about by free trade....we need to figure out a way to tell workers that no matter where you work or how many times you switch jobs, you can take your health care and pension with you always, so you have the flexibility to move to a better job or start a new business." Edwards plan on trade issues is better, Obama's way you may never stay at a job long enough to get a pension.
Does anyone really know what he believe, we don't get enough information in one minute answers at the debates.

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shuck and jive from a politician??????
Posted by: magus65 on Jan 11, 2008 3:24 PM   
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Isn't that the definition of what all msm/CFR/Bilderberg approved candidates do? Considering Obama never says anything substantial I'd say the expression fits perfectly, as it would for Hitlery or any other MSM candidate.

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Vote fraud in NH
Posted by: magus65 on Jan 11, 2008 3:35 PM   
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Obviously Alternet is trying like hell to be part of the MSM when it puts out trash like this but fails to report on the (verifiable and admitted)vote fraud that went on in the NH primary.

Sutton township reported 0 votes for Ron Paul out of 350 but was caught when a family came forward that all voted for Ron Paul in Sutton. They've been forced to admit that there were actualy 35 votes for Ron Paul. Similar chicanery from other townships is starting to be exposed as well.

Considering Hitlery's miracle comeback I have no doubt that Obama was ripped off as well.

So there you have it. Alternet hates racist speech but fully supports election fraud that steals votes from a black candidate. What a bunch of useless MSM tards.

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Obama exploits race more than anyone
Posted by: riotoustanpdx on Jan 11, 2008 6:52 PM   
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This is the day of sophisticated dare-you-to exploitation of many hot issues, and race is one of those.

"I dare you to NOT vote for me or with me on issues such as race of gender. If you vote against us we'll label you and attack you."

Bill Richardson is more qualified than Obama, and Bill Richardson translated his qualifications into a plan for a Richardson agenda that would work.

Obama has no concrete plan to compare with Richardson, and has gotten as far as he has on the slogan "Change and Hope." This was Bill Clinton's slogan in 1992. Word for word: Change and Hope.

But, Obama exploits race to get the media and the money.

And the obvious thing that people overlook is: The same Big Corporate Money that is behind Oprah is also behind Obama. There will be NO CHANGE if Obama gets the nomination or the White House.

Thomas A Nagy, Global Cooling Initiative

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The Obama Trap helps Republicans
Posted by: riotoustanpdx on Jan 11, 2008 7:16 PM   
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Here it is: The double bind of 2008.

If the Democrats do not nominate Obama, the rhetoric will be: "The Democratic party failed to nominate a qualified candidate based on race, so the Republican candidate should get the Brown and Black votes as a protest."

If the Democrats do nominate Obama, the Republican campaign can exploit his lack of experience, qualifications and a solid agenda going into the 2009-2012 period compared to its own nominee. Looking behind the surface of the Obama campaign gives the Republicans all the appeal needed to win in 2008.

Conclusion: Obama is a Republican plant with Republican money and media behind his campaign.

Thomas A Nagy, Global Cooling Initiative

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If AlterNet keeps posting articles like this one...
Posted by: bloggeddowninMKE on Jan 12, 2008 10:43 AM   
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I think it's time for me to move on. This is so thin it's borderline invisible! Please stop making this primary race about race and gender. It's bad enough the mainstream press wants to do it. There are so many genuine concerns out there to write about, why bother with this drivel. The only thing articles like this do are give conservatives ammunition when they want to point out what a bunch of thin-skinned whiners the left are.

It reminds me of the old saying: "If you go around looking for trouble - you'll find it." Or perhaps another one: "Get a life!"

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Oversensitivity
Posted by: Urgelt on Jan 19, 2008 1:04 AM   
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Ok, this critique goes way off the rails, Pam.

Look. We're America. The people living today have a culture which draws from its past. Slavery is in our past, and to their credit, those slaves left us a legacy of inventive, colorful, useful expressions that are used today in a race-neutral context by everyone.

Everyone. It's a victory. Get it?

"Shuck and jive" is a term that, today, is used to refer to anyone who dissembles or pretends. There's a lot of dissembling and pretense in politics, wouldn't you say? And though I'm no great fan of Cuomo, he has a point. Carefully staged and scripted performances for the press are one thing. Talking to real people in their living rooms is something else.

I don't see a veiled, snide reference to a black politician here. What I see is oversensitivity on the part of the liberal left, of which I am, at the moment bashfully, a part. Do you not want colorful terms invented by early black Americans to be a part of our modern culture? Why not?

That seems an outcome desired by the radical right, not the liberal left.

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