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The Murky Future of John Edwards

Posted by Steve Benen, The Carpetbagger Report at 12:02 PM on January 9, 2008.


Edwards supporters will object to this, but it's fair to wonder whether he played at least an indirect role in propelling Clinton to victory in NH.
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I mentioned earlier that yesterday's results in the New Hampshire primary were probably the worst of all possible outcomes for John Edwards, and not just because his 17% support was lackluster (both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama more than doubled Edwards' vote total). I should probably flesh this out a bit.

After Iowa, there was a plausible scenario for Edwards moving forward -- make it a two-person race with Obama, and argue that his vision of more forceful change was the more compelling one. It's why I agree with Ezra's take from last night.

A second in New Hampshire would have given them needed momentum. A Clinton second would have at least blunted her chances, and allowed them to continue with their "two candidates of change" argument. But this simply intensifies the coverage of the Democratic primary as a two-person race.

Quite right. Edwards has had two main hurdles to clear of late -- bringing in more campaign contributions and generating more media attention. An unimpressive third-place showing makes both challenges more problematic.

I know Edwards supporters will object to this, but I don't think it's unreasonable to wonder whether Edwards played at least an indirect role in propelling Clinton to victory in New Hampshire. It was his criticisms of Clinton that drew a heated response (Hillary argued this morning that this was a key turning point), and it was his arguably cheap shot on Monday (re: The Tears) that contributed to additional sympathy for Clinton the day before the primary.

Tim Grieve added that Edwards' role may have even been more direct.

Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman declared Tuesday night that the Democratic presidential primary is now a "one-on-one race." "Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama," Terry McAuliffe said. "We're excited." Really?

Until Tuesday, the Clinton campaign has argued that Barack Obama and John Edwards were engaged in some kind of unfair, two-against-one fight against her. The campaign has decried the "politics of pile on," Bill Clinton has complained that "the boys" were ganging up on his wife, and Hillary Clinton herself argued in New Hampshire that Edwards and Obama had aligned themselves in "a buddy system" against her.

Take Edwards out of the equation, and it's hard to run on that kind of victim narrative. More important, if you take Edwards out of the equation, our money says the stunning but narrow victory Clinton won in New Hampshire becomes something that looks a lot more like the defeat that almost everyone was expecting.

It's hard to say with any certainty where Edwards' supporters would go if he weren't in the race, but I think Tim's probably right -- they're more likely to back Obama than Clinton.

Now, especially after seeing last night's results, it's clear that anything can happen. Maybe Edwards will figure out some way to rebound, or maybe he'll get lucky and the top two will make some kind of huge mistake, leaving him to pick up the pieces. He's been struggling in South Carolina, but he was born in the state, and won its primary in 2004. Who knows.

But barring any major changes to the landscape, it looks to me like Edwards' presence in the race may very well continue to be a big benefit to Clinton. Given that Edwards seems more than a little anti-Hillary, one wonders if, at some point in the not-too-distant future, he bows out, just to make things a little tougher for her.

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Steve Benen is a freelance writer/researcher and creator of The Carpetbagger Report. In addition, he is the lead editor of Salon.com's Blog Report, and has been a contributor to Talking Points Memo, Washington Monthly, Crooks & Liars, The American Prospect, and the Guardian.


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I think a much bigger factor was the independent and crossover vote
Posted by: UnEasyOne on Jan 9, 2008 12:32 PM   
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And that is a factor that no one seems interested in discussing.

Few Independents are independent because they are more progressive than the Democrats. They will back Edwards if he wins the nomination - because the Rethugs have screwed things up so royally - but they much prefer the more conservative candidates.

And crossover Republicans who vote for Obama or Clinton are doing it because they think they are unelectable. The number who voted for Edwards must be nonexistent or vanishingly small.

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Not Sure I Agree..
Posted by: Wacre on Jan 9, 2008 1:04 PM   
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and not only because I think that John Edwards is the most viable candidate. While raising enough money to run a 50 state campaign is always at the forefront of one's attention, as is the media, I would not be so quick as to count John Edwards out.

There is plenty of time for things to change, though this is assuming that Edwards has enough resources to stick it out.

The issues that Edwards promotes (a clampdown on the influence of corporations, healthcare, keeping jobs in the US, etc) are issues that will resonate with Americans, it only takes someone to get out there and promote them.

While I wish Iowa had gone better (since Edwards had campaigned there for quite awhile, from what I have heard) it is understandable that he had a weak showing in New Hampshire (since there were only about five days after Iowa to campaign), though it was admittedly a weaker showing than I would have liked, it was by no means a terrible one.

Now if he was in the single digits, then perhaps his candidacy would have run it's course, but 17%? Not as good as his opponents, but not too shabby either.

And Steve Benen is right that I, as an Edwards voter, would be more likely to vote for Obama than Hillary Clinton. I have less an issue with her being a woman than I have with the way she appears to be a virtual extension of corporate interests as well as very calculating (her vote to have Iran's army declared as a terrorist organization can be considered nothing else).

What bothers me most about Obama – other than I know relatively little about him – is that too many pundits are talking about how race has played such a little role in his victories.

This is plainly a lie, and they know it. With Obama some Whites will point to his candidacy and potential victory as the end of racism as we know it; though the greater problem will be if Obama believes this and follows a Ward Connelly/Clarence Thomas route in terms of policy (I consider this highly unlikely, but when he appears to shy away from any mention–which is probably necessary to even compete–of color).

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» RE: Not Sure I Agree.. Posted by: jr9657
» RE: Not Sure I Agree.. Posted by: fracuss
» RE: Not Sure I Agree.. Posted by: EdinIowa
Having a hard time not panicking...
Posted by: drmflorida on Jan 9, 2008 6:43 PM   
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In spite of my support and favor towards Edwards, I'm having a hard time not panicking. Yes, I know, its just one state. Yes, I know, she didn't win by much.

But this primary effectively ends in a couple weeks, and I hate to see even the possibility that Hillary will be the nominee. And again in spite of the fact that Edwards is saying the right things, and makes me cheer more loudly, and has the right positions... he is not resonating as well.

If Edwards drops out, Obama wins. The alternative could be we are going to be spending a long ten months fighting for Hillary. I'm just not sure I have that in me.

If Hilary is the nominee, we have at minimum four more years of Republican rule to look forward to.

I'm trying not to panic, but everything in me is saying that Edwards should drop out now before its too late.

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It's amazing the lack of attention Edwards gets
Posted by: ordaj on Jan 9, 2008 7:10 PM   
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The mainstream media deliberately ignore John Edwards. The whole campaign up to Iowa focuses on Hillary and Obama, Hillary and Obama. Edwards places 2nd in Iowa and all you still heard was Hillary and Obama.

They are being pushed because the right-wing and corporate media would love either of them to take the nomination. A black man and a woman (and a Clinton to boot). They can't wait to get their base all riled up.

Edwards is the most anti-corporate candidate and one with strong progressive stances. Of course they're not giving him the time of day. He's white and a Southerner. He'd be able to counter the republican base. Can't really whip them up over his color or gender.

HillaryAndObama. HillaryAndObama. HillaryAndObama. HillaryAndObama. HillaryAndObama. HillaryAndObama. HillaryAndObama. HillaryAndObama.

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» Stop saying it Posted by: 2dogarage
I will not be voting for Hillary - EVER
Posted by: truthteller on Jan 9, 2008 9:34 PM   
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I've been with Kucinich all along. It will be interesting to see if he picks up any of Richardson's supporters if reports are true tonight that he is dropping out. Does that mean that maybe Dennis can be the fourth candidate at the table in the next Dem. debate?

I have always known Dennis is a long-shot, and is primarily in it to make sure a truly progressive message is represented in the campaign. He may very well have driven Edwards' passionate campaigning for the working class even further. I know Dennis is in the campaign to the end. He is not in debt. His campaign is pretty much a guerilla insurgency. He can wait until late to get out and run for re-election to his Congressional seat.

I think Edwards also will stay to the end. He also is not in debt, is taking federal matching money, and is also running an economical campaign. It's important to have their alternative messages there. It galls me every time I hear right wing tool David Brooks say that there is no way his populist, working man message can get over 30% support. It might if the MSM allow him, and Dennis to be seen and heard as would happen if the media were not owned by major multi-national corporate interests.

I can tell you right now that I will not be voting for either the black man or the white woman that the MSM are pushing as the two Democratic alternatives. But I just might be voting for a BLACK WOMAN for President this Fall, if the Green Party nominates former GA Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney as their candidate for President. They're not going to get me to believe that the two main DLC, corporatist candidates are going to bring about REAL change, just because their race or gender would be a first for the office.

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» Not McKinney! Posted by: Davidco
Who to vote for?
Posted by: RobNLA on Jan 9, 2008 9:48 PM   
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I'm a registered Democrat and vote regularly and follow politics pretty closely. But I won't vote for Hillary if she is the nominee.
Hillary is basically a Republican in her voting record, that's why.

I wanted Edwards to be the choice back in the day instead of Kerry, but that didn't happen. It's early still in the campaign trail, hopefully Edwards makes a great showing in the Southern states.

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my response to the NH result is to send Edwards $100 out of my $721 social security income
Posted by: Suzon on Jan 10, 2008 4:46 AM   
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Why? Universal single provider healthcare would be enough for me (given that my sons don't have coverage that's personal ).

But I also want John Edwards to make another anti-corporate vow: to return to home owners the bankruptcy protection they had enjoyed until five years ago. I believe he voted for that act but, like the invasion of Iraq, it was immoral and unjustifiable. (The same group of people promoted both crimes against the citizenry.) The ability to see the light is admirable. Edwards seems to have that capacity.

Let's not falter now, folks. Anyone visiting Alternet will know that most of us hear John's message loud and clear. Talk to your friends, talk to your neighbors, even talk to your family.

Most of all demand liberty and justice for all. It's a ideal that has never been achieved but a goal that's worth going after. Even if things never get any worse than they are now, the status quo is just not good enough!

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Why is that a bad thing?
Posted by: Nearleft on Jan 10, 2008 7:13 AM   
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I support Edwards, but Hilary would be my second choice. Why? On key issues like health care and social security, she is closer to Edwards than Obama. Obama's rhetoric about ending partisan divisions is scary. Why should one support a candidate whose is running on compromising with the forces of evil? The Democrats have a chance to score an enormous victory in November, and we need a candidate who will take advantage of that.

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» RE: Why is that a bad thing? Posted by: carcinoid112
EDWARDS
Posted by: shd1230 on Jan 10, 2008 7:19 AM   
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I think Edwards made his first big mistake when he resigned his N. C. Senate seat after barely warming it, letting Elizabeth Dole take it for the Repubs. His run for VP with Kerry didn't help his image a lot. Edwards might be a great President--then again, he might not. You'd think, however, that a nation that would elect W. Bush twice could do worse.

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Paul Cardwell
Posted by: Paul Cardwell on Jan 10, 2008 8:37 AM   
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That old argument again! We must only chose between two evils and never support anyone we agree with for fear of getting a greater evil elected. It was used against Nader, it is used against the Greens, it insures that corporate candidates will always win and people will always lose.

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» RE: Paul Cardwell Posted by: carrie jean
» RE: Paul Cardwell Posted by: pappy1
Independent!
Posted by: mnascimento on Jan 10, 2008 8:38 AM   
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I like Edwards a lot. It has surprised me that he he hasn't generated a larger following. I am in sympathy with his social and economic positions, and would think most working adults would be. For the more superficial among us, he has good looks and a naturally warm gracious personality.
His underdog status merely proves he threatens the status quo, and the media will never present him favorably.
I also think Ron Paul and Kucinich have very important things to say, and should be included in the debate, without the filtering and condescension. Realistically, the superficial among us don't elect homely candidates. The shame is ours, not theirs.
I could also, vote for Obama. I don't expect the individuals elected to be supermen with all the answers. I do expect the President to represent the interests of EVERY CITIZEN and be a facilitator. I love the Constitution. The system is designed to work through compromise. Don't underestimate Obama's ability to organize. If you notice, it is the one or two organizers in your community or family even, that bring diverse interests together and actually get things done.
Hillary is every bit as polarizing as George Bush, and her nomination would compel me to to vote for a third party candidate.

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Edwards and Kucinich are ignored by our "liberal" media.
Posted by: Ellie1 on Jan 10, 2008 9:45 AM   
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Our media is controlled by large corporations, and do not want progressive voices in the White House. Hence they exclude them from news and debate coverage. Our presidents are corporate selected.

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STOP with the Nader/Scapegoat rhetoric!
Posted by: Voicedude on Jan 10, 2008 9:52 AM   
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It's not Edwards' fault that anybody else did anything. If Edwards supporters would vote for Obama otherwise, I guess we'll see after Edwards drops out! Plus, I'll never fault anyone for voting their conscience! (isn't that what we should be doing?)

Let's see how Edwards does in the South against those Northerners first! (I am neither, btw!)

As far as both Iowa and NH primaries go, McCain skipped Iowa and won in NH. Rudy skipped both and is still considered a front runner. So....?...what does that really mean? All I see is the media focusing on one thing and giving us all kinds of hyperbole and conjecture before anything is settled and done. Nothing new here. Typical media tactics on anything.

And besides, a wise man once said:

"There are lies, damned lies, and statistics."
- Mark Twain

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CAT BIRD SEAT
Posted by: crazy carlos on Jan 10, 2008 6:33 PM   
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The biggest problem for Edwards is going to be money!! The rest of it is nonsense.

Edwards has positioned himself as the FIGHTER, the other two as the great what?? Where has either staked out any kind of a position?

Nothing is going anywhere until we get rid of the two 800 lb Gorillas--Iraq and Israel. THERE IS N-O MONEY. If the Fed cuts the rate 1/2 point, we can all kiss our ass goodbye within a year--and I am headed back to So. America to fight another day.

The thing that everyone overlooks, Edwards is a very attractive alternative to both other Demos--no one is goint to put a 12 Gauge in their mouth, He will be attractive to a lot of disgruntled Thugs and independents--Obama and Hillery already are generating negatives and both ARE GOING TO HAVE TO COME TO EDWARDS STANCE-THE RUPUBS. ARE CRIMINALS.Don' you think in your heart of hearts many repugs. realize this??

Repugs? Hucklebuck and a 72 year old rooster running around in the barnyard? For Edwards and say Obama-turkey shoot.

Things are goint to change rapidly--this game is not over by a long shot.

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Don't bow out John!
Posted by: 2dogarage on Jan 10, 2008 10:01 PM   
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John Edwards ain't gonna bow out so just you nevermind about a couple of small primaries. If he makes it to super Tuesday he's got it made!

California loves John Edwards!

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The fat lady didn't sing
Posted by: raywigton on Jan 12, 2008 9:20 PM   
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I agree with the author, but don't count this a two person race yet. There may still be hope for the democratic party to pull it's act together and learn what change means. The people may yet recognize that the Hillbilly is just a Bushit posing as a democrat. They may still figure out that even though Obama is a nice kid - I could vote for him - he don't know much about anything. Obama even wants to privatize social security. Edwards is the best hope for a better America.

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