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Huckabee Loses New Hampshire: Is That God’s Will Too?

Posted by Jon Ponder, Pensito Review at 4:10 PM on January 8, 2008.


It'd be nice if a reporter would ask him to explain why it was God's will for him to lose in New Hampshire. Don't hold your breath, of course.
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UPDATE: 9:04 pm EST Huckabee is projected to finish third in the New Hampshire primary behind McCain and Romney.

It was just a month or so ago that Mike Huckabee, the former Baptist preacher and Arkansas governor, claimed that the hidden hand of God was behind the surprising success of his candidacy:

MIKE HUCKABEE: There's only one explanation for it, and it's not a human one. It's the same power that helped the little boy with two fish and five loaves feed a crowd of 5,000 people. And that's the only way our campaign could be doing what it's doing. I'm not being facetious, nor am I trying to be trite. There literally are thousands of people across this country who are praying that a little will become much. And it has. And it defies all explanation. It has confounded the pundits, and I'm enjoying every minute of their trying to figure it out. And until they look at it from an experience just beyond human they'll never figure it out. And that's probably just as well.

That's honestly why it's happening.

Of course, no pundit has ever been even slightly confused about the reason for Huckabee's success. It is quite simple: Christianist voters rejected the other candidates one by one -- Giuliani, McCain, Romney, Brownback and Thompson -- because they found them all to be insufficiently doctrinaire about the rightwing's bizarre hate-filled version of Christ's teachings. Huckabee became their only choice by default.

But now Huckabee is trailing at a distant third in New Hampshire in a series of polls:

An American Research Group poll of 600 likely Republican voters, McCain is at 35 percent, Romney 27 percent, Mike Huckabee 12 percent, Rudy Giuliani 10 percent, Rep. Ron Paul 7 percent, Rep. Duncan Hunter 2 percent, Fred Thompson 2 percent, and Alan Keyes 1 percent.

A CNN /WMUR poll of ... 341 likely Republican voters, McCain leads with 32 percent, followed by Romney, 26 percent; Huckabee, 14 percent; Giuliani, 11 percent; and Paul, 10 percent.

A McClatchy /MSNBC poll of 400 likely Republican voters, McCain is at 32 percent, followed by Romney, 24 percent; Huckabee, 12 percent; Giuliani, 9 percent; and Paul, 8 percent.

A Rasmussen automated poll of 1,240 ... 1,102 likely Republican voters, McCain is at 32 percent, Romney, 30 percent; Huckabee, 11 percent; Paul, 11 percent; and Giuliani, 9 percent.

If Huckabee comes in third in New Hampshire today, it would be nice to think that a reporter would ask him to explain why it was God's will for him to lose in the Granite State. Don't hold your breath, of course.

Huckabee would do well to look at George Bush's claim in 2005 that God told him to invade Iraq and Afghanistan:

George Bush has claimed he was on a mission from God when he launched the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, according to a senior Palestinian politician in an interview to be broadcast by the BBC later this month.

Mr Bush revealed the extent of his religious fervour when he met a Palestinian delegation during the Israeli-Palestinian summit at the Egpytian resort of Sharm el-Sheikh, four months after the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.

One of the delegates, Nabil Shaath, who was Palestinian foreign minister at the time, said: "President Bush said to all of us: 'I am driven with a mission from God'. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did."

Mr Bush went on: "And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East'. And, by God, I'm gonna do it."

Maybe God was joking when he told Bush to invade Iraq. After all, Bush and God share a love of practical jokes: Bush loves towel-snaps and making up snarky, demeaning nicknames -- and God invented the duck-billed platypus.

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Jon Ponder is regular blogger for the Pensito Review


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of course not...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Jan 8, 2008 1:04 PM   
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As Huck himself said about God.. we know you don't take sides in politics, but we kind of think you're really on our side anyway.

Now.. what was that about not trying to guess the mind of God???

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What Might Have Been?
Posted by: QQOblivion on Jan 8, 2008 1:16 PM   
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As for "God's will", I have serious doubts the Big Guy is all that benign.
For instance, if the temperature in Florida had been just one degree different in one direction or the other than it was on election day Nov 2000, then in Florida enough conservatives might have stayed home or enough liberals might have gone to the polls (who ended up staying home in our universe) because of the weather to have just barely swayed the vote in that state the other way. (Remember how close the vote was? It wouldn't have taken that many conservatives or liberals)
Then maybe the hanging chads fiasco wouldn't had happened, and we would to this day have had President (and peace-prize winner) Al Gore instead. No 9-11 attacks, no Iraq war, no torture, no unchecked global warming, no imprisonment without trial, no domestic spying, etc.
But, come to think of it, God did save us from a grand fate, actually. -- If Gore had been president then the Democrats would very likely be about to nominate Joe Lieberman, who would have now been vice president, to be their presidential candidate. God help us!

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Lieberman for President? What a horrid thought
Posted by: Sissy on Jan 8, 2008 2:11 PM   
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I never thought that, what could have happened had Gore won....we might be dealing with Lieberman now. Perhaps God indeed "had a hand" in all this. He would never have let a Lieberman candidacy come to the fore on the heels of suffering with The Texas Turd for eight years, would he?

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Hey-I object!!!
Posted by: Drclaw on Jan 8, 2008 2:25 PM   
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The duck billed platypus rocks! An egg laying "mammal" (monotreme - if you want to be technical) with poisonous spines and a nose sensitive to weak electrical fields. I mean-how cool is that!

(The first taxodermic specimen of this animal was widely regarded as a hoax)

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sofa king sick of hearing about 'god'
Posted by: davesilvan on Jan 8, 2008 6:25 PM   
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I will not entertain any conversation with anyone who believes in 'god.' It is silly and simpleminded to believe in an all powerful all knowing super sentient being who has existed for all eternity, created man in his own image and then punishes us when we go against his will.

There are tons of quotes out there so I won't bother rattling off too many, instead I'll try to explain as clearly as possible, using small words so as not to confuse anyone.

The belief in god goes back to the earliest, possibly even the very first homo sapien, as he cringed in his cave as rain fell, lightning struck and thunder boomed. He couldn't explain it, therefore it must have been someone else's doing. Maybe homo sapien #1 felt he was being punished for killing and eating an animal. Maybe he felt guilt over forcibly having sex with another hominid.

Early mankind explained the unexplainable by attributing it to "god's will." Whenever by chance something happened that couldn't be explained, it was attributed to a higher being.

I will paraphrase one quote because I don't remember it exactly or who said it, but 'pray long enough for rain, and it will rain; that doesn't mean your prayer was answered.'

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Everyone knows...
Posted by: brunowe on Jan 8, 2008 9:03 PM   
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...that God is only interested in the outcome of sporting events. That's why championship winners are always thanking him.

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» RE: veryone knows... Posted by: Jaxsinn
» RE: Everyone knows... Posted by: mainspark
Huckabee is dangerous
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Jan 8, 2008 11:03 PM   
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Let's hope that most voters are sane enough to recognize that Huckabee is the
most completely insane candidate we have ever had for president. Let's hope
that most voters have had enough of religionist insanity with George W. Bush.
George W. Bush has caused such enormous damage because George W. Bush is
insane and a religionist. Huckabee would be worse.
Religion is caused by any one or more of about half a dozen mental illnesses.
ALL religions are dangerous, not just the extreme ones. I am presently reading
"The End of Faith" by Sam Harris. Sam Harris is correct in saying that it isn't just
radical religion that is dangerous, it is all religions that are dangerous. [Islam is
the most dangerous at this time because both the Koran and the Hadith instruct
Moslems to kill all non believers. Killing non believers is a core belief of Islam.]
Any belief in any religion causes or enables war, horror and terror. All religious
beliefs are, by definition, counter-factual and nonsense. Religion is obsolete and
we should say so. Religion could easily lead to the fall of civilization or the
extinction of Homo Sapiens. Only science can save us from global warming and
from asteroid impacts. Religion cannot even warn of these dangers. I
recommend Sam's books and the books below.

"The Neuropsychological bases of god beliefs" Dr. Michael A. Persinger MD,
psychiatrist 1987 "Religious people are just like my temporal lobe patients"

"The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bi-Cameral Mind" Julian
Jaynes Professor, Harvard University 1976 "Religious people are just like
schizophrenic patients"

"The Psychiatric Interview in Clinical Practice" Roger A. MacKinnon, M.D.,
Robert Michels, M.D. W. B. Saunders Co. 1971 "Religiosity is a common
symptom [of] schizophrenic patients"

"The God delusion" by Richard Dawkins. "Religion is caused by a kind of
computer virus that infects the living computer, the human brain."

"The Science of Good and Evil" by Michael Shermer, 2004 "Morality and Ethics
are now in the jurisdiction of Science and greatly improved thereby."

Many books in the new science called "Sociobiology": Morals and ethics are
instinctive and they evolved.

"God: The Failed Hypothesis" by Victor Stenger Scientific proof that god does
not exist.

"The God Part of the Brain" by Matthew Alper 1996. "The USA is anomolusly
religious because many early founder groups were religiously insane and fleeing
prosecution in Europe."

"The Accidental Mind" by David J. Linden, 2007 Belknap Press of Harvard
University Press. Religion is caused by the extreme klugeyness of the "designed"
by evolution brain.

"Scientists Confront Intelligent Design and Creationism" edited by Petto &
Godfrey, 2007. The ID and creationist crowd are trying to do away with science.

"Manufacturing Belief" by Lewis Wolpert
http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2007/05/15/lewis_wolpert/

"Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon", by Daniel Dennett

Other authors: Christopher Hitchens

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» RE: Huckabee is dangerous Posted by: Aimleft
» RE: Huckabee is dangerous Posted by: machioniii
Religion IS a war against science
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Jan 8, 2008 11:10 PM   
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Reference: "The Republican War on Science" by Chris
Mooney, 2005, Basic Books. It has the following URLs:
http://www.waronscience.com/home.php
http://www.chriscmooney.com/
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05268/576883.stm

See also:
"Undermining Science, suppression and distortion in the
Bush Administration" by Seth Shulman, 2006

"The Republican War on Science" by Chris Mooney says:

"Because Trofim Lysenko convinced Josef Stalin that
genetics is wrong, 12 million people died of starvation.
The coal companies convinced President George W. Bush
[and Senator Inohe] that global warming hasn't happened
and 12 hundred people died in hurricanes in 2005. For the
same reason, people died in the wildfires in Oklahoma."
12 hundred is less than 12 million, but GWB is still
comparable to Stalin. Both adopted anti-science policies
for ideological reasons and thereby murdered large numbers
of their own citizens.
George W. Bush favors a form of "democracy" called
Theocracy. Huckabee is more extreme on this issue.
There is something that needs to be made explicit: Truth
is not determined by a vote of scientists. Scientists are not
authorities. Nature is the Only authority. There is only
one vote that counts, and Nature casts it. It isn't just "not
nice" to fool Mother Nature, it is impossible. Scientists
understand and believe this so innately that they never say
it, but other people may think that scientists wield power or
authority.
Reference: book: "Science and Immortality" by Charles B.
Paul 1980 University of California Press
The Eloges of the Paris Academy of Sciences (1699-1791)
page 99: "Science is not so much a natural as a moral
philosophy".
page 106: Nature isn't just the final authority, Nature is the
Only authority. When you try to disobey Nature [In
older language: "When you try to tell God how to run the
Universe".], the result is less subtle than a train wreck: The
rocket explodes on the launch pad. Oklahomans die in
wild fires when it should be winter. The Gulf coast suffers
the worst hurricane season ever. Tornado season extends
into January.
Book: "The Long Summer, How Climate Changed
Civilization" by Brian Fagan 2004 Basic Books
Summary: Small climate changes caused the fall of many
civilizations.

The Religious Right is also giving a war on Science, trying
to convince people that Evolution is wrong and trying to
prevent the teaching of Science in school. As we all know,
religion is caused by mental illness.

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You Idiot! It's obvious that...
Posted by: kwalla on Jan 9, 2008 12:47 AM   
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the Devil made them vote for McCain and Romney.

I'll prey for you.

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Oops, Wrong Miracle
Posted by: AlexLawyer on Jan 9, 2008 1:51 AM   
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The Huckster compared his success in Iowa to Jesus's feeding 5000 people with 5 loaves and 2 fishes, but I think he had the wrong miracle in mind. It was more like the herd of demon-infested swine running off the cliff.

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» RE: Oops, Wrong Miracle Posted by: ripley1423
Enough religion
Posted by: yellow on Jan 9, 2008 5:49 AM   
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separate church and state in this country.

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McCain Religiously Nutty Too
Posted by: QQOblivion on Jan 9, 2008 7:08 AM   
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Well, McCain has won on the Republican side in NH. McCain has called America a "Christian nation". I guess "God" (ie the Devil) has rewarded McCain with the win...

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Explanation of Unnatural Phenomena
Posted by: Roger Király on Jan 9, 2008 7:12 AM   
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I'm willing to dump any childish belief in an all-knowing button-pushing sky god, but only the existence of Satan can explain the music of Kenny G.

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Whose God is it?
Posted by: monkeywrench on Jan 9, 2008 9:44 AM   
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Is the God that Huckabee claims to be on his side, but who abandoned him, the same God that wills some newborn babies to be born with cancer? The idea that God is on the side of one person or another or one religioius group or another implies that God is NOT on the other side, i.e., the other side is godless, which has brought about untold misery in the world ever since we invented this "Big Daddy In the Sky" concept out of primitive superstition.

This is the major reason the Founding Fathers, in their wisdom, separated church and state: they, unlike the pandering fools we today laughingly call "leaders," understood the lessons of history and its long record of religious brutality.

It is a pathetic shame that our current crop of politicians either flunked world history, or are too self-servingly intent upon satisfying the whims of whacko fundamentalist groups to use their brains (if, away from their speechwriters, campaign coordinators, p.r. coaches, et al., they actually have any).

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Chuckanut is finished
Posted by: willymack on Jan 9, 2008 10:57 AM   
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Our people aren't THAT stupid-yet.

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Sinclair Lewis said it best
Posted by: euchler on Jan 9, 2008 12:33 PM   
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"When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross."

Huckabee and the other Republicans that are running for President scare me more than anything that happened on 9/11 and they do not see that they are every bit as dangerous as any theocracy of any religion.

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» RE: Sinclair Lewis said it best Posted by: Mamarianne