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Giuliani Claims It Would Have Been "Impossible" to Give 9/11 Firefighters Working Radios

Posted by Amanda Terkel, Think Progress at 11:37 AM on December 23, 2007.


The firefighters on 9/11 were forced to use old equipment that had malfunctioned eight years earlier, during the 1993 attacks.
Giuliani vs. Firefighters on Radios

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Today on ABC's This Week, host George Stephanopoulos pushed former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani on why the radios for the 9/11 firefighters didn't work. Giuliani dodged the question, claiming that it would have been "impossible" to have given them working radios:

STEPHANOPOULOS: They make two main charges. Number one, that those firefighters in the north tower, many of them lost their lives because their radios didn't work. They also say you ended the recovery efforts too soon.
GIULIANI: Well, the radios that you're talking about weren't put online for three, four, five years after. So, it would have been impossible for me to have those radios ready. It took the city two or three more years...
STEPHANOPOULOS: But they had malfunctioned in 1993.
GIULIANI: But even with the new equipment, it took another two or three years for those radios to be put online. So it would have been impossible for us to have gotten them online before that, given the fact that it took so long afterwards.
Watch the video to your right:

As Stephanopoulos pointed out, the firefighters on 9/11 were forced to use old equipment that had malfunctioned eight years earlier, during the 1993 attacks on the World Trade Center.

But it wasn't "impossible" to get new radios to these firefighters, as Giuliani tried to claim. After the 1993 incident, Giuliani gave Motorola a 14-million no-bid contract. Despite this exorbitant sum, the radios were faulty and had to be taken out of service in March 2001, after a "distress call from a firefighter trapped in a burning house" went unheard. A New York City Council report on the fire department's radio procurement process concluded:

Thus, despite its acknowledgment two years earlier that several manufacturers were developing technology that might meet FDNY's CAI specifications, and in apparent disregard of its pledge to evaluate new technologies and products, the FDNY appears to have elected to accept a radio representing an entirely new communications technology from Motorola rather than conduct a competitive review of products and prices.
Brave New Films has put together a video on Giuliani's record on the 9/11 radios HERE.

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Tagged as: 9/11, giuliani, firefighters

Amanda Terkel is Deputy Research Director at the Center for American Progress and serves as Deputy Editor for The Progress Report and ThinkProgress.org at the Center for American Progress.


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He's Done!
Posted by: BlackbirdHighway on Dec 23, 2007 12:31 PM   
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Stick a fork in this guy, he's done!

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» RE: He's Done! Posted by: channing
» RE: He's Done! Posted by: MrAllen
Do you HAVE to be a pathological liar to be a GOP frontrunner?
Posted by: Wexler on Dec 24, 2007 6:26 AM   
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The lies of Rudy Guilianni concerning the radios are fairly well documented, as are the many millions of dollars he made from his cottage industry built on his own failures on 9/11.

But the biggest lie in this piece is that he doesn't want to "argue with them, gosh, they've been through enough already." By that statement, he is taking the results of his fuckup and twisting it into an argument for why the people it hurt should drop the subject.

Tell the truth, Rudy... the reason you don't want to "argue" with them is because you're dying the death of a thousand cuts on it. If you had a defensible position you'd have already figured out a way to make money off of it.

Rudy Guilianni, the GOP gift to the Democrats that keeps on giving... every time he opens his lying piehole.

-Wexler

PS Happy holidays, all.

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» RE: FYI: GOP def, Posted by: channing
I'm not a Guiliani fan, but
Posted by: AndyF on Dec 24, 2007 6:37 AM   
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Much of the FDNY radio criticism is not really fair to him. Through-out the time Guiliani was mayor and for a long time before, the police and fire departments had operated as separate entities and cooperated as little as possible. Guiliani tried to force cooperation between the two departments, including implementation of a radio system which would enable police and fire department personnel to communicate with each other. One way each department fought to be on top was to insist that their preferred radio system became the standard and as a default, they weren't willing to update their systems if it meant using a system chosen by the other department. Guiliani's fault here isn't not being willing to buy radios, instead it is his lack of success in getting the two departments to work with each other.

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» RE: I'm not a Guiliani fan, but Posted by: shanona_g
Herman
Posted by: 45014106 on Dec 24, 2007 6:54 AM   
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While it pains me to defend Rudi, the APCO 25 Standard compliant radio equipment in question was still in it's infancy in 2000/2001. APCO 25 is the preeminent public safety standard for interoperability and reliability. While E.F. Johnson and others participated in development of the APCO 25 standards, Motoroia is, and has been for many years, the leader in reliable quality public safety communications equipment.

We operate on a Motorola APCO 25 compliant 800 mHz digital trunked system that currently covers 7 counties in the Metro Twin City area and which will eventually be statewide. Despite long drops, being run over by vehicles, and occasional abuse such as use as an emergency tool to break the window of a burning car, we have never been able to break a Motorola pac set. The system is extremely reliable, provides excellent building penetration, and has never failed in the four years it has been in operation.

I think a bigger question for Rudi and his boys is why they went UHF instead of 800 mHz.

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evil person
Posted by: johndaye on Dec 24, 2007 7:05 AM   
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From all that I have read, seen and heard, Guilianni is an evil man. Let's hear more from the fire fighters and less from Rudy.

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Rudy is an Expert!!
Posted by: xvictor on Dec 24, 2007 9:45 AM   
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He's a guy who's always right, dontcha know??? u can't argue with him because he'll label u a kneejerk ignoramus!!! I guess his lapse of judgement in this instance was while he devoted so much time ridding New York City of dung-adorned madonnas!!!

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It makes me so goddam angry
Posted by: willymack on Dec 24, 2007 10:18 AM   
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Just to THINK about 911 and the phony "report" that ensued from it only after incessant demands that this illegal regime investigate the crime of the century. Now, take a piece of paper, fold it vertically down the middle, and on the left side, write NYC-radios don't work. For the right side, you'll have to do some lengthy research, but you'll most likely come up with zippo with "other cities with the same problem". This alone puts Rudy in a bad light. Add the supervision of the removal of material that may well have proven that the WTC North & South towers, as well as WTC #7 were destroyed by controlled demolitions and point to the REAL culprits, and you almost have to be just a bit suspicious of this evil bastard.

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They said it all, and said it best.
Posted by: Longdream on Dec 24, 2007 7:31 PM   
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What people say about Giuliani:

Joe Biden:

"There's only three things [Rudy] mentions in a sentence--a noun, a verb, and 9/11..."

Jimmy Breslin:

"He's a small man in search of a balcony."

Al Sharpton:

"He didn't bring us together. Our pain brought us together. We would have come together if Bozo had been the mayor."

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