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With March 4th Behind Them, What's Next for Hillary and Obama?

Posted by Steve Benen, The Carpetbagger Report at 10:25 AM on March 5, 2008.


Clinton and Obama will constantly be battling for position, of course, but there are rumors that Obama has a couple of tricks up his sleeve.
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Hillary Clinton, you've just won the Ohio, Texas, and Rhode Island primaries. What are you going to do now? "I'm going to Wyoming!"

Sure, the political world was eyeing the March 4 contests for weeks, but those contests are so yesterday's news. What's next?

We have two contests in the next six days -- the Wyoming caucuses on Saturday and the Mississippi primary on Tuesday. If Barack Obama is looking to pick up a few much-needed victories, and get the bitter taste out of his mouth after Texas and Ohio, he'll probably enjoy the next week.

As March progresses, though, Clinton still has a tough climb, and Obama retains a formidable position.

The two contests this month -- Wyoming and Mississippi -- play to Obama's strengths. One is a small Western caucus; the other has the most heavily African-American primary electorate in the nation.

Neither state offers huge delegate totals, but given that Obama is expected to win both fairly easily, it should help him pad his delegate lead a little.

After Mississippi, there are five full weeks in which nothing happens at all, except furious campaigning in Pennsylvania, which host its primary on April 22. Clinton goes into the contest favored, but God only knows what's going to happen between now and then.

Clinton and Obama will constantly be battling for position, of course, but there are rumors that Obama has a couple of tricks up his sleeve.

For example, the Obama campaign never did get around to announcing exactly how much money it raised in February. Expect some kind of announcement this week that will be intended to help give Obama some positive press for a change.

Also, there may be some big superdelegate news on the horizon.

Appearing on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" Tuesday morning, Tom Brokaw dropped a bombshell on Terry McAuliffe, Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman.

"Somebody very close to the Obama campaign told me yesterday that they've got 50 [superdelegates] that they've identified who are ready to go public before too long," Brokaw said. Off-camera, someone else from the show (it sounds like host Joe Scarborough) can be heard exclaiming, "Wow." [...]

If this is true, it would represent a major coup for Barack Obama's campaign. The Associated Press' delegate count has Obama and Clinton separated by just 100 total delegates, included pledged and superdelegates.

And then there's the question about what kind of campaign tone Obama's team may embrace moving forward. We talked earlier about some of the relentless attacks Clinton directed at Obama, but I noticed at least one hint that the Obama campaign is prepared to start playing by his opponent's rules.

"We have not hesitated to draw distinctions between the candidates and we'll continue to do that," said Obama's chief strategist, David Axelrod. "If Sen. Clinton wants to take the debate to various places, we'll join that debate. We'll do it on our terms and in our own way but if she wants to make issues like ethics and disclosure and law firms and real estate deals and all that stuff issues, as I've said before I don't know why they'd want to go there, but I guess that's where they'll take the race."

And in case you're really curious, after Pennsylvania, Guam will vote on May 3, Indiana and North Carolina on May 6, West Virginia on May 13, Kentucky and Oregon on May 20, Montana and South Dakota on June 3, and Puerto Rico on June. Every contest except Guam and Puerto Rico is a primary, not a caucus. It's a landscape that appears to give Obama a slight edge, but at this point, the delegate shift isn't likely to matter much anyway.

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Steve Benen is a freelance writer/researcher and creator of The Carpetbagger Report. In addition, he is the lead editor of Salon.com's Blog Report, and has been a contributor to Talking Points Memo, Washington Monthly, Crooks & Liars, The American Prospect, and the Guardian.


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What's next for Hillary & Obama?
Posted by: hurricane hugo on Mar 5, 2008 11:06 AM   
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Obama: the Democratic nomination
Clinton: VP nod, maybe? Senate Majority leader?

Sorry, Flicksters - she's not going to win every remaining state by a 65-35 margin...and, seeing as the 65-35 victories had to start rolling in yesterday, Hillary's SOL. Oh, and about Pennsylvania: the Clinton campaign didn't even bother to file a full slate of delegates in that state.

jdfu!

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'Queen of Scandel' won't release her tax records until April 15!
Posted by: foreverhope on Mar 5, 2008 12:34 PM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
This is RIDICULOUS! Doesn't she owe that to the voters and the party? nervy to throw shit at Obama. The Clintons, nervy, audacious, shameless, as always.

Keeping in mind that Hillary – in her own "two for the price of one" pronouncement – told the nation that she would be sharing the presidency with her husband, it would beg the imaginations of even her most fervent acolytes that the tsunami of scandals that inundated the Clinton tenure somehow escaped either the notice or personal involvement of Hillary herself.

To see the shocking Scandal Index of the Clinton years, as compiled by the liberal Progressive Review (http://prorev.com), under the listing of "Records Set'" by the Clinton administration (read: co-presidency), Progressive Review cites the following, of which I will only list a sampling:

▪ Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates.

▪ Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation.

▪ Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify.

▪ Most number of witnesses to die suddenly.

▪ First president sued for sexual harassment.

▪ First president accused of rape.

▪ First president to be held in contempt of court.

▪ First president to be impeached for personal malfeasance.

▪ First first lady to come under criminal investigation.

▪ Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign-contribution case.

▪ Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions.

▪ Number of Starr-Ray investigation convictions or guilty pleas to date: one governor, one associate attorney general and two Clinton business partners: 14.

▪ Number of Cabinet members who came under criminal investigation: 5.

▪ Number of individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine that were convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes: 47.

▪ Number of these convictions during Clinton's presidency: 33.

▪ Number of indictments/misdemeanor charges: 61.

▪ Number of congressional witnesses who pleaded the Fifth Amendment, fled the country to avoid testifying, or (in the case of foreign witnesses) refused to be interviewed: 122.

▪ Guilty pleas and convictions obtained by Donald Smaltz in cases involving charges of bribery and fraud against former Agriculture Secretary Mike Espy and associated individuals and businesses: 15; acquitted or overturned cases (including Espy): 6.

▪ Clinton machine crimes for which convictions were obtained: drug trafficking, 3; racketeering, extortion, bribery, 4; tax evasion, kickbacks, embezzlement, 2; fraud, 12; conspiracy, 5; fraudulent loans, illegal gifts, 1; illegal campaign contributions, 5; money laundering, 6; perjury, et al.

▪ Number of times that Clinton figures who testified in court or before Congress said that they didn't remember, didn't know, or something similar: Bill Kennedy, 116; Harold Ickes, 148; Ricki Seidman, 160; Bruce Lindsey, 161; Bill Burton, 191; Mark Gearan, 221; Mack McLarty, 233; Neil Egglseston, 250; John Podesta, 264; Jennifer O'Connor, 343; Dwight Holton 348; Patsy Thomasson, 420; Jeff Eller, 697; and Hillary Clinton, 250.

By 1998 under the Clinton co-presidency, the GOP gained 48 seats in the House, 8 seats in the Senate, 11 governorships, and 1,254 seats in state legislatures, and that during their tenure, 439 (out of 1,998 Democrats) became Republicans as opposed to 3 Republicans who became Democrats.

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» RE: If I Only had a brain! Posted by: mkdelta69
Battleground: Indiana
Posted by: dustinblythe on Mar 5, 2008 3:11 PM   
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Here in Indiana we are looking forward to a spirited campaign leading up to our primary on May 6th, shared with North Carolina. (By the way, if John Edwards would endorse someone, would it come just before the N.C. primary?)

Of particular interest is March 24th, Dyngus Day. South Bend, for those unfamiliar with the area, is the largest city in northern Indiana, just south of the Michigan-Indiana border, and a Democratic stronghold. Traditionally a Polish holiday to observe the day after Easter, Dyngus Day in South Bend has morphed into a Democratic holiday and is now Dyngus Day/Solidarity Day to observe the contributions of the black and hispanic communities. The home of the original Dyngus Day celebration is the West Side Democratic Club in South Bend. Each year dozens of Democrats descend upon the West Side Club to enjoy beer and homemade Polish sausage and to hear that year's Democratic candidates speak at noon. Last year was an off year with only municipal candidates involved. At noon the room was so crowded you could have died and not hit the floor. This year will be even more important.

Although early rumors of a possible vice presidential spot for Sen. Evan Bayh swung most of the state's Democratic Party leaders toward Clinton, there is quite a bit of grassroots energy for Barack Obama as well. With last night's developments, there will almost certainly be a hot battle in Indiana, something we have not seen since 1968 when Bobby Kennedy came to South Bend for Dyngus Day and won the state.

This year could see Bill or Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Evan Bayh and more in addition to both of our Democratic gubernatorial candidates, our 2nd district Congressman Joe Donnelly and our local candidates at the West Side Club, quite a thing for a "red" state. Add to that a veritable army of Democratic activists flooding in from Illinois, Ohio, Michigan and other states and Indiana could be hotter than 1968.

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Obama must oppose Hillary, the corporatist
Posted by: herbal on Mar 6, 2008 4:26 AM   
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In fact, she is the most outspoken person in the Senate advocating war in Iran. See:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVWagtd8uwM

Hillary is no different than John McCain Republicans who she has voted with consistently right up until the time of the campaign on the war, tax cuts for wealthy, Patriot Act(s), Homeland Security Act(s).

Obama needs to take a lesson from Ron Paul, the only candidate to repudiate interventionism. Obama can begin his education by watching this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geQG0ptFaS0

The latest US intervention is documented in April edition of Vanity Fair magazine (now only available on their website) about the Bush/Rice/Abrams coup attempt at freely elected Hamas. This is a breaking scandal that should embolden Obama to expose Hillary's control by AIPAC, the Israeli lobby.

Obama must distinguish himself from Clintons better than he has. She chamelionizes every time Obama takes a harder line against Iraq prolongation. She has been able to almost disown her sterling support for Bush Administration. Obama must call her on her voting record.

The most compelling, obvious reason for Clinton voters to shift is her unelectabilty in the face of the protracted Hillary bashing by the Republicans for the last 8-15 years.

Hillary's experience is a negative, not a positive. Experience to what end? Selling out to the corporatists (Mussolini definition).

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US Bloggers are an Ugly Bunch
Posted by: odcherenow on Mar 6, 2008 6:12 AM   
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There is such a stream of vitriol, snakes and toads that pour from the minds of contributors to these sites that I yearn for more reasoned, generous, compassionate and civil discourse.

Where is the hope when you spew hatred?
Where is the change when you keep regurgitating questionable facts?
Where is the vision for a united healing when you invest in sick divisiveness?

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US Bloggers are an Ugly Bunch
Posted by: odcherenow on Mar 6, 2008 6:12 AM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
There is such a stream of vitriol, snakes and toads that pour from the minds of contributors to these sites that I yearn for more reasoned, generous, compassionate and civil discourse.

Where is the hope when you spew hatred?
Where is the change when you keep regurgitating questionable facts?
Where is the vision for a united healing when you invest in sick divisiveness?

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November, 2012 shows on the TV screen
Posted by: PJAW on Mar 6, 2008 7:32 AM   
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Next you see Barack Obama talkng on the phone. You hear the voice of the person speaking to him with an obvious foreign accent. That person says, "I just called to wish you the best in tomorrow's election, Mr. President. And thank you. Four years ago we hated all of you and would gladly have launched an attack against your country, now we're committed to working out our differences peacefully. This is a better way. And sorry to wake you up in the middle of the night, but I just couldn't pass up the opportunity for a good joke. Let's talk again soon."

President Obama hangs up the phone, next to a clock that reads 3:03 AM. He yawns and says, "That was nice, but sometimes I wish she never would have run that stupid campaign ad".

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Lou Branch
Posted by: loubranch on Mar 6, 2008 9:02 AM   
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Enough already!! How long can this madness go on?
Obama is assured of the required number of delegates to be nominated and still the cable net works keep the farce going! Let's focus on "Old Man" McCain who wants to follow in the footsteps of the worst president ever.Makes one want to heave.

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This was lifted from neo-conservative, Human Events site...puke
Posted by: herbal on Mar 6, 2008 11:28 PM   
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From Human Events.com, they really do feel comfortable with HILLARY.

Last week Rush Limbaugh suggested to his listeners to vote for Clinton in the Texas and Ohio primaries, and it seems to have worked, especially well in Texas. Now, there is a good chance that the Democrat nominee will not be chosen until the Convention in August and thats a lot of time for Clinton and Obama to bloody each other and deplete their war chests. This is an important factor given the kid glove treatment Republicans and McCain are apt to utilize in battling Obama in the Presidential contest. One can count on Hillary to shred him to bits and for him to just as viciously couter attack, thus sparing the gentlemanly, blue blood, country-club Republicans from having to dirty their hands.

The potential for Republican gain from the internal Democrat struggle seems tantalizingly real. I plan to vote for Hillary in Pennsylvania primaries to help keep the state of confusion and internecine fighting continue until the the convention. This going to be so much fun.
shirish kokatay, Norristown PA
Mar 06, 2008 @ 11:04 AM

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