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Hillary Clinton's Superdelegates Coordinate "Screw Democracy" Message

Posted by David Sirota, Open Left at 1:09 PM on February 14, 2008.


Egomania knows no bounds and no loyalty - not even to the founding principles of democracy.
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Looks like Hillary Clinton's campaign machine is getting its superdelegates (aka. party insiders) to start softening up the public for a potential trampling of democracy that may mark the Democratic National Convention. This morning we have two superdelegates from different parts of the country landing headlines in their local papers saying they are fully prepared to ignore voters and trample democracy - as long as that lets them help Clinton potentially steal the Democratic nomination. In my upcoming book, The Uprising, I trace the ugly history of superdelegates - and how they were set up precisely to stop popoular uprisings like we are seeing in the Democratic nomination contest.

Here in Colorado, we get this dispatch from Mannie Rodriguez in the Rocky Mountain News:

Because regular delegates are allocated proportionally, some calculations show that even if Obama were to roll through the rest of the primary season, he would not be able to secure the nomination with pledged delegates alone. That could result in a floor fight during the convention - with superdelegates key to the outcome.

"I'm going to stick to her 100 percent," Rodriguez said. "I hope it doesn't go to superdelgates deciding, but if it does, I'm with her all the way."

Forget that Colorado voters overwhelmingly supported Obama, forget that Obama may win the total, democratically awarded regular delegates...

Then in a suburban Philadelphia newspaper, we get this from Clinton-backing superdelegate Marcel Groen:

"It's worked for the past 40 years, for the most part, and largely it's an honorary position," he said. "But if it's going to be real close, then I think it's wise to let the leaders of the party do the right thing."

This follows Clinton hack Lanny Davis's missive on Huffington Post saying almost exactly the same thing (after embarrassing himself by claiming Adlai Stevenson was elected president). It also comes as the Boston Globe today reports that Clinton is determined to "take the Democratic nomination even if she does not win the popular vote" with a plan to "persuade enough superdelegates to vote for her at the convention." Clinton "will not concede the race to Obama if he wins a greater number of pledged delegates by the end of the primary season, and will count on the 796 elected officials and party bigwigs to put her over the top, if necessary, said Clinton's communications director, Howard Wolfson."

So that's the coordinated message: If democracy has been allowed to be trampled in the past, then we should all sit back and be fine with democracy being trampled now...as long as it is trampled in defense of the Clintons.

Egomania knows no bounds and no loyalty - not even to the founding principles of democracy.

Clinton partisans will counter that we should count the Florida and Michigan delegates because they were supposedly "disenfranchised." What a joke. The candidates agreed not to campaign there, and agreed that the delegates would not be seated. Now, of course, the Clinton partisans want those delegates to count, even though they were banana republic-style elections - no campaigning, and in the case of Michigan, not even anyone other than Clinton on the ballot. Puh-leeze.

To sign a petition demanding superdelegates respect democracy, go here. And make sure to check out the Superdelegate Transparency Project here.

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Tagged as: clinton, obama, florida, michigan, wolfson, super delegates, democratic convention

David Sirota is a veteran political strategist and author of Hostile Takeover, a New York Times bestseller about the corruption of both political parties.


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Posted by: hurricane hugo on Feb 14, 2008 1:07 PM   
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on any stupordelegate like the clown from Colorado who even considers going against the wishes of the voters in their state.

jdfu!

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» YES! Posted by: skibum
poison pill
Posted by: cwilsondrum on Feb 14, 2008 1:22 PM   
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I can think of nothing more disgusting than this kind of "coup attempt" and I got news for those geniuses at the democratic national party. I will vote for Mcain before I will let them rob the popular vote recipient of the nomination. So, go ahead on you smarmy little bitches,payback is going to be hell when you fuck up the election. Cause if you do, there goes the election, your career as a genius political consultant, and who knows how many more years of republicans. My career won't be over, I will be fine,and I will have my self respect. I can swallow that poison pill,but can you?

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It has been said many times before
Posted by: QQOblivion on Feb 14, 2008 1:31 PM   
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It has been said many times before, but if Hillary is determined to steal the election she REALLY IS no better than a Republican!

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one can only hope
Posted by: johnthetreehugger on Feb 14, 2008 1:36 PM   
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one can only hope that the corporate Dems pull the anti-democratic move and use the super piles of crap to steal the nomination from Barack Obama and give it to Hillary Clinton.

That will show all the Dem true believers what "their" party is all about once and for all.

'cause the true believers sure have forgotten the Dems, under B. Clinton and the DLC and their gleeful implementation of the Rupublican economic agenda during the 90's.

one can still hope...

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Let's get rid of the superdelegates---next year!
Posted by: hotdog on Feb 14, 2008 1:41 PM   
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If the superdelegates were going Obama's way, you wouldn't be questioning them. In fact, you'd probably find ways to attack Clinton supporters for making the very argument you are making now.

The time to challenge the process is between elections, not when it appears little more than a tool for partisan purpose.

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Flip it around
Posted by: sliver on Feb 14, 2008 2:53 PM   
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Could you imagine Barack Obama plotting to use his superdelegates to overthrow a democratically-elected Clinton campaign?

I really can't. Another reason to not vote for Clinton

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How Can Any Democrat Take Her Seriously?
Posted by: NoPCZone on Feb 14, 2008 6:28 PM   
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Goldwater Girl thinks rules are for other people. When they are to her advantage, she's all about the rules. When they don't meet her needs there is obviously something wrong with them in her bizarre logic.

What she is saying is that she is willing to destroy the Democratic Party as long as it gets her into the general election. Nice. Very Nice.

I told you she was a Repugnican with a D behind her name. A DINO.

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WHAT DO YOU SILLY AMERICANS EXPECT? INTEGRITY?
Posted by: chiquita1 on Feb 14, 2008 7:01 PM   
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Hag Hillary would surrender to 'Wolfman' and have furry kids if it meant she'd be the Demo candidate! SHE HAS NO INTEGRITY OR HONOR. Just ask those NO LONGER WITH US because of her & Wee Willy. And beleive me. They DESERVE EACH OTHER. Neither has even the slightest clue what Ethics means 'cause they've never had any to speak of! Hag Hilly & Billy are just as LOW DOWN as a Public Disgrace can be...

When Billy gets to the White House he can sit under the stars and remember those cool summer nights when he stood on the landingstrip near Little Rock waving his flashlight so those 2 or 3 Gulf Streams could land - PACKED TO THE GILLS with Miss Kook and Mr. Erowin! But now, he's paid his dues and took his medicine in 1999. He's even a TRILAT! And that's what will make HAGGY the Demo nominee - NOT Experience
'cause she has none except in tailing Billy every other night from Little Rock to DC and back again!

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A Hoosier Perspective
Posted by: dustinblythe on Feb 14, 2008 9:14 PM   
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I see the struggle this way. 99% of the superdelegates here in Indiana are in some way, shape or form connected to Sen. Evan Bayh. It's like "Six Degrees of Evan Bayh" here. These people, perhaps rightly so, want to see Evan named Hillary Clinton's running mate, a position that he and others have been led to believe is an real opportunity for him should Hillary become the nominee. Therefore, their votes are almost assuredly going to go for Hillary.

Other superdelegates may not have a "native son" to vote for, but I am afraid that they may end up voting for Hillary all the same. I would hate to see it happen, but I forsee the superdelegates (Washington and Party insiders all) handing the nomination to Hillary in much the same way the Supreme Court handed the presidency to George W. Bush in 2000. I forsee Barack getting the shaft in the end. Barack could end up like Ralphie in "A Christmas Story". He wanted that rifle so bad, and he was so close to getting it, but when he finally got to the top of the heap and got to talk to Santa, he heard the same refrain, "You'll put your eye out" and he got kicked down the chute.

If that happens to Obama, if he gets the shaft after gathering so much support and energy, there will be screams from the party faithful, the grassroots. That will splinter and damage the Party more quickly than FISA, net neutrality, the Iraq war and waterboarding ever could.

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Hilary's campaign is over
Posted by: RobNLA on Feb 14, 2008 9:51 PM   
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One way or another Hilary's pursuit of the White House is over one way or another.
If she gets the nomination through superdelegates, a lot of dems will be pissed off and she'll lose the election to McCain.
Or if she somehow loses gracefully and allows the voters to choose Obama, then she won't get the White House but at least won't destroy what's left of the Democratic party.
It seems like politicians are just getting worse and worse in the US lately, more brazen and egotistical. Many thought it was mostly Republicans doing this, but Hilary is proving that wrong lately.

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Another Fumbled Football
Posted by: Axiom69 on Feb 15, 2008 6:23 AM   
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Why do the Democrats always seem to fumble on the 10 yard line? Hillary getting the nomination through super delegates is more than the Republicans could hope for. It would ensure a Mccain Presidency in a year that was guaranteed to go Democrat. This is how:

1. Hillary is the only Democrat Mccain could beat according to polls.
2. Her negatives are extemely high.
3. She would energize the right wing base.
4. Her and Mccain are both Washington insiders so she couldn't claim to be the "change" candidate.
5. Mccain does better with independents against Hillary than against Obama who is drawing in EVERYBODY, including Republicans!

Add to all that a fractured and disenfranchised Democratic party! All those new and energized voters who have been packing arenas to hear Obama speak will be outraged if Hillary steals the nomination through superdelegates. Not to mention the black vote that has always been steadfast supporters of democrats seeing the first chance to elect a black candidate stolen by a white woman.
Yes, Hillary getting the nomination through superdelegates is the absolute best way to ensure a Republican wins the Whitehouse. If it happens I don't want to hear that the Republicans "stole" it. Picking up a fumbled ball isn't stealing and the Republicans are great at recovering fumbles.

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whatever happened to the concept of "representative government"
Posted by: seacaptdon on Feb 15, 2008 9:37 AM   
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If the "superdeligates" (actually I like the "stupordeligates" pun) fail to vote as their constituents representatives then they are no better than the current Administration who tries to shove democracy down the throat of everyone else in he World, but ignore the will of the American people regarding everything... it seems more of the "ruling class" mentality. And the bullpuckey that they are their to do what they think is the right thing, rather than represent the will of their constituents is overwhelmingly stenchful.

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you screwed us already, don't do it again.
Posted by: jwpa13 on Feb 15, 2008 12:04 PM   
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this was my e-mail to the colorado three
we each need to send similar thoughts to our own states "super delegates"

MESSAGE:
if you "sUper"delegates choose to ignore the members of our party and pick another candidate for us, "we the people" will take action.

WE WILL write in the name of our candidate in the general election. if this leads to a republican win, so be it.

this is no threat . it is a promise that my entire extended family, our friends at church, our friends at work and our friends in every social organization that our friends and families belong to.

you screwed Dodd and Kucinich , you will regret screwing us

as a progressives i am looking for the excuse to bolt and form a third party,

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you screwed us already, don't do it again.
Posted by: jwpa13 on Feb 15, 2008 12:04 PM   
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this was my e-mail to the colorado three
we each need to send similar thoughts to our own states "super delegates"

MESSAGE:
if you "sUper"delegates choose to ignore the members of our party and pick another candidate for us, "we the people" will take action.

WE WILL write in the name of our candidate in the general election. if this leads to a republican win, so be it.

this is no threat . it is a promise that my entire extended family, our friends at church, our friends at work and our friends in every social organization that our friends and families belong to.

you screwed Dodd and Kucinich , you will regret screwing us

as a progressives i am looking for the excuse to bolt and form a third party,

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If the Democratic Nominee Wins Due to Superdelegates... Vote for a Spoiler
Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com on Feb 15, 2008 1:22 PM   
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I think we the people should make it perfectly clear to Hillary and Barack that if they are nominated due to superdelegates voting differently than the public, that we will vote for a 3rd party spoiler candidate.

We should make perfectly clear to both candidates that we the people won't take that kind of BS lying down and they will LOSE the general election if they pull any such shenanigans.

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"... we the people won't take that kind of BS lying down..."
Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Feb 18, 2008 9:10 PM   
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Why should they believe it when we HAVE taking it lying down, TONS of clear proof and all, THREE TIMES (one was not a presidential race, and they lost despite TRYING to steal it due to a miscalculation). The machinery for an election theft is still in place, and now the Dems have their own, PLUS Hillary's setup.

Anyone who really thinks this is ANY form of democracy, is any more even a representative republic than it was a democracy before the American Revolution, please consider electroshock therapy...

It's inevitable that it's going to get a lot worse. It will most likely be generations before it changes, and it will be a revolution that does it - or fails. Failure is more likely,because once it's well and truly entrenched, the people will have even fewer resources than we have now, and we are disenfranchised and cut out from participating at all in our government now. Later, the tracking and spying apparatus, plus weapons and everything else the government will have, along with generations of "education" and everything else they will be able to do will make success vanishingly unlikely. It's now or never, in other words. And does anyone else see rioting in the streets? Hear a general public outcry, or even a realistic evaluation of the situation in the MSM?

Me neither.

Ian

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