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According to McCain, By Choosing John Hagee, He's Choosing the 16th Century

Posted by Bruce Wilson, AlterNet at 10:12 AM on March 7, 2008.


McCain's own words from the 2000 election come back to haunt him.
By His Own Words, In Choosing John Hagee, McCain Chooses The Sixteenth Century

In the 2000 Presidential election primaries, Senator John McCain accused Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson of being "agents of intolerance", and McCain called George W. Bush anti-Catholic for courting the political support of evangelist Bob Jones and for visiting Bob Jones University - which up until Bush's visit had prohibited interracial dating. Bob Jones called the pope the "anti-Christ" and the Catholic Church a satanic cult.

Senator McCain said that if he were invited to Bob Jones University he would have told Jones to "get out of the Sixteenth Century and into the 21st Century. What you're doing is racist and cruel." Now, in the 2008 presidential election, John McCain has aggressively courted, and enthusiastically accepted, the political support of John Hagee, who calls the Catholic Church "the great whore" and a "false cult system" and McCain's accusation, in the 2000 election, has come back to haunt him ; by his own measure, John McCain has chosen the Sixteenth Century.

Also see, McCain Reneges on Pledge To Never Seek anti-Catholic Support and, for general Hagee Background, McCain-backer Hagee's CUFI Worldview: "Thrilling" Rapture, Then "Holocaust"

UPDATE: Pelosi speaks out against McCain's embrace of McCain (from Steve Benen @ The Carpetbagger Report)

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is the highest ranking Roman Catholic official in the federal government, and not surprisingly, she finds John Hagee's anti-Catholic rhetoric offensive. Yesterday, to her credit, she pressed John McCain on why he refuses to denounce Hagee's bigotry. Nico Pitney has the story.

"That behavior is outside the circle of civilized debate in our democracy," Pelosi said during a Thursday conference call. "I certainly think John McCain should reject his endorsement and I'm sure it won't be long before he does."

McCain has come under heavy fire from Catholic groups across the political spectrum for appearing with Hagee last week and declaring he was "proud" of the endorsement. Subsequently, McCain told reporters that Hagee's backing "does not mean that I embrace everything that he stands for and believes," but added, "I am very proud of the Pastor John Hagee's spiritual leadership to thousands of people."

But several Catholic groups insist that McCain should specifically condemn Hagee's "hate speech" about Catholicism. Bill Donohue, president of the conservative Catholic League, charged in a statement that McCain "has shown horrendous judgment in buddying up to this bigot and spin doctor." The progressive group Catholics United yesterday circulated remarks from McCain in 2000 condemning the "strong anti-Catholic statements" of Bob Jones.

Pelosi apparently didn't realize that McCain had actively sought out Hagee's support, and when told about his on the conference call, Pelosi was surprised. She said that she "certainly" thinks that McCain should reject Hagee's support, and then added, "I can't imagine that he wouldn't reject it."

I can.

Nevertheless, comments on this issue from the Speaker of the House raise the stakes. Or, at least, they should.

Josh Marshall raised a good point.

It's not just the media's slavering adulation of John McCain. Things like the Hagee story also fail to pick up momentum because name leaders don't chime in on them. In some abstract sense it shouldn't make Hagee a bigger deal simply because Nancy Pelosi says what a lot of other people are already saying. But in the way news pegs operate, it makes all the difference in the world.

True. When McCain actively seeks the support of an anti-Catholic, anti-gay, anti-Muslim, anti-woman, and anti-Semitic televangelist, reporters don't think it's newsworthy. When a prominent political figure criticizes McCain for seeking the support of an anti-Catholic, anti-gay, anti-Muslim, anti-woman, and anti-Semitic televangelist, then it's a story. It's frustrating, but that's largely the way the political media works.

The question then becomes one of "prominence." Is Bill Donohue from the Catholic League a "prominent political figure"? When he attacked John Edwards last year, the media seemed to think so, covering his criticisms in great detail. Now that he's attacking McCain, however, Donohue's concerns no longer seem to matter. Hmm.

How about DNC Chairman Howard Dean? He went after McCain on this with a vengeance, on national television no less. Is he a "prominent political figure"? Apparently not, the media didn't care.

OK, but now the Speaker of the House has broached the subject. This has to give news outlets a news peg worth mentioning, right? Wrong. According to Nexis and Google News, not a single traditional news outlet noted Pelosi's criticism.

In my heart of hearts, I don't really believe there's a coordinated effort on the part of reporters to intentionally bury this story and give McCain a pass. But c'mon, this is journalistic malpractice.

Digg!

Bruce Wilson writes for Talk To Action, a blog specializing in faith and politics.


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Pelosi
Posted by: Xynyx on Mar 7, 2008 10:56 AM   
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Well... Pelosi's an idiot, too. If she can't imagine something that has been occurring for decades now and that is plainly reported in the MSM, then she's obviously been lobotomized or is suffering from anencephaly.

Is that the standard for intellect in our Congress? What a loser! I hope someone boots her ass out of her seat at the earliest opportunity.

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Hey John....
Posted by: Kajamian on Mar 7, 2008 11:58 AM   
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before you actively embrace the support an anti-Catholic bigot, you might want to count the number of Catholics on the Supreme Court!

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Rev. John Hagee
Posted by: Robert K. MacDonald on Mar 7, 2008 3:12 PM   
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John Hagee's religious behaviors are an ideal subject for politically sophisticated commentary.
As one who has viewed and analyzed his TV ministry programs for many years, I would say he epitomizes in the most extreme ways the militancy of the tendency of mortality-salvation religions to entrap millions of emotionally vulnerable "believers" by sustained and constant subjection to psychological Hell-terrorism.
Hagee is the ultimate "water-boarder" of religious death-horror belief-conditioning.
It is not "bigotry" or biased reporting to mention the frightening fact that both of the major global salvation religions (Christianity and Islam)have during most of their histories fanatically promoted global military crusading as their major method of "confirming" the "Truth" of their miraculous supernatural beliefs in eternal life for obedient promoters and followers.
Hagee is super-typical of the charismatic- apocalyptic Armageddon war-mongering mass-psychologies of delusional faith-systems that "act out" their desperate emotional craving for belief-confirming" victory over personal "death" by staging and sustaining sanctified sacrificial mass-slaughters of infidels, heretics and non-believers.
The USA is currently up to its neck in one of these religious "civilization wars."
By suppressing analysis and criticism of crusading religions, the leaders of the multi-trillion dollar war-profits industries of the USA are vastly expanding their wealth and bankupting our nation.
They are also solidifying their political mass-base of fear-filled citizens who are afraid to mobilize publicly against our permanent war, never surrender, "support our troops" pro-US-imperialism.
Read "Crusading for Salvation," "The Military-Industrial-Governmental-Media Complex" and many similar anti-imperialist articles on my website:
Google: psycho-imperialism.com

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» RE: ev. John Hagee Posted by: otto
McCain. What the hell is the matter with the guy?
Posted by: Longdream on Mar 7, 2008 4:26 PM   
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His take on what he needs to do to win the election is downright suicidal.

Has he suddenly lost his last marble? Are his electrons spinning the wrong way? Is he a pod-person?

What is it with him?

Any minute now I'm expecting him to announce that it's all been a big joke: "Thanks for all the leftover campaign money--me and the wife's goin' to Disney World!"

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did anyone notice the false anti-clinton story posted by alternet?
Posted by: andrewstromotich on Mar 7, 2008 4:52 PM   
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the "NAFTAgate" story a few back is false.
it was not the clinton camp that secretly reached out to the Canadian government to assure them that they were lying to the american public with regards to changing NAFTA, it was the Obama camp.
so clinon did not "frame" obama, and clinton did not lie, it was actually Obama that was misleading the voters about his position, and he sent Goolsbie to reassure the "conservative" (canadian republicans) govt that he had no intentions of doing what he had promised publicly.

and even better, it was the "conservative" (republican) gov't that then mislead the press into believing it was a clinton aide and not an obama aide (goolsbie): why are the canadian conservatives (republicans) trying to help derail the clinton campaign while having private consultations with obama?

here is the story

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Otto .
Posted by: otto on Mar 8, 2008 7:40 AM   
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Speaking as a leftwing to moderate Roman Catholic, I'm never impressed with John Hagee but not bothered too much by him. Mywife likes to watch him. I'm more bothered by his ideas on Israel, which I consider basically unChristian. On the obvious level, he backs all of Israel's politics in Palestine, as immoral as they are. He takes literally any one line of the Bible that is convenient, a favorite tactic of fundamentalists...like God returning the people to their land to possess it. It ignores the fact that at least two times before in history the Israelites have been allowed to "return from captivity". It secretly expects all Jews to go to hell unless they become Christians. But Christians have always interpeted Christianity as the "New Israel" and emphasized Jesus' teaching on Love as the key commandment (even if we haven't lived this teaching very well! And we Roman Catholics have pretty well taken Rome and the Vatican to be the new Jerusalem, an idea I totally disagree with!) But Hagee chooses to ignore this tradition and interpret any lines referring to Israel's return and taking the land in a literal sense. I don't know if he's sincere or not, but either way I see him as a quack! I had some respect for McCain in the past because of his prisoner experience and some of his views that seemed more liberal, but I've lost all respect for him now and see him as a hypocrite.

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FREE SPEECH
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Mar 8, 2008 7:43 AM   
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Hagee insults and demeans many groups of people. He's nothing but a mean SOB hiding behind religion. This is not inculded in our right to free speech. I get the feeling that it's very expensive. Question is, who does he pay. Why so much coverage? We have too many untouchables in this country. Why isn't he guilty of hate crimes. It's time to get religion out of the White House. We all get to choose a religion if we want one.Thanks, ANNA

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Who wants more violence?
Posted by: tap17x on Mar 8, 2008 1:08 PM   
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The "Christian" right does. They want more war, more guns, more death penalty, more army. Don't tell me Christianity is a religion of peace. Even their chief symbol is an instrument of torture. They continue their insane ways by sucking up to whomever is in charge. They want power, not truth. In pursuit of that, they are interested in ideology, not human values.

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Divided Israel and Divided Christianity
Posted by: riotoustanpdx on Mar 8, 2008 4:52 PM   
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Very few people seem to know that there are Three Israeli populations, and three basic Christianities.

Historically, European Zionists (one hundred years ago and more) plotted to establish a Jewish State in Palestine. Most never went to Palestine before their militant schemes were launched. Secondly, there were religious Jews who sought to live in Palestine free from the constraints of hostile governments and laws in Eastern Europe. Thirdly, there were many young Jews, especially women, who wanted to be free from the restrictive roles forced upon women by the male-dominated Jewish traditions; only men were allowed to pray, while women were limited to serving the needs of the men and children.

Only the militants succeeded in establishing the State of Israel; this minority set the tone for the conflicts that presently exist in the Palestinian lands today. Had the militants not overwhelmed the wishes of other Jews moving to Palestine before 1948 they would have integrated into the populations and embraced a growing prosperity along with them. Instead, the militants drove the Palestinians into exile in the West Bank.

I support Israel, yet firmly believe the militant minority needs to step aside to allow the majority of Jews to integrate thoroughly with the Palestinian people to achieve a real and lasting peace.

Catholics are separated from the rest of Christianity by their history and beliefs; at heart, Catholicism is Mysticism. The same mysticism that defines the Catholic faith is absent in the fundamentalism of preachers like Hagee.

Without mysticism, the pseudo-Christianity of Hagee and others such as Pat Robertson and Bob Jones is really a materialism disguised as fundamental religion. In essence, Hagee's "Christianity" is another exaltation of the Ego; Saving One's Soul (skin)is the end game, the way to win; everyone else is a loser. Thus, Hagee is saying to the Catholics (like me) and everyone else, "I'm saved, you're not!"

Between the extremes of the Mystics and the fundamentalist-materialists there are the majority of Christians who struggle to adhere to the teachings of Christ, knowing that to do so flawlessly is impossible, but very much worth the attempt; we'd all be better off if half of us truly made the attempt and behaved accordingly.

The misconception is that wars are fought to promote these religions. Wars are perpetuated for the benefit of a small minority, just as the "War on Terrorism," has been created and perpetuated by an extremely small minority for the benefit of that minority alone but nonetheless "in the name of security for American Democracy."

McCain knows that a hot war is more profitable than a cold one, just as he knows the continued strife between Jews and Palestinians is an economic war and not a religious war. In a land of limited resources,especially not enough water to sustain the existing population, including a million hungry people on the better side of the fence, there is little willingness to share.

So blame these economic realities on religious differences rather than admit these are age-old struggles between the Haves and the Have-nots.

Rather than deal with the truth of racism and fundamentalism versus mysticism, McCain seeks the support of like-minded people who perpetuate the myth of a religious (endless) war in the Middle East because it has been and will continue to be the Platform of the Republican Party.

Like greyhounds chasing a rabbit, the MSM goes along with the deception of quibbling over the end date of the endless war through presidential politics.

Meanwhile, the One Great Issue of 2008, The Complete Environment (Energy, Water, Food, AND Global Warming) succumbs to a great silence.

These are the words of Thomas A. Nagy.

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fear
Posted by: KaptainSpiffy on Mar 10, 2008 10:01 AM   
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how both republicans and religionists keep their converts in line

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