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Copernicus Was Wrong?: The Flat Earth Temptation

Posted by Bruce Wilson at 4:46 PM on February 16, 2007.


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Geocentrists accept a spherical earth but deny that the sun is the center of the solar system or that the earth moves.... The basis for their belief is a literal reading of the Bible. [source]

An emergent scandal over a Texas Republican Party politician's distribution of a memo citing a "fixed Earth" website alleging the Earth to be non-rotating and at the center of the universe has raised the question; where do such eccentric views as Rep. Chisum's, that the Copernican model of the Solar System is wrong and derives from a Jewish Kabbalistic Conspiracy, come from ? Until recently, it's been generally assumed that the debate over heliocentric vs. geocentric models of the universe, that raged up until the advent of Copernicus, had been well resolved. Lately though, an American movement has sought to restore the Earth to a central position in the grand cosmological scheme... Since the existence of the "Flat Earth Society" became a widely traveled joke, it has become hard to determine if card-carrying flat-earthers really exist any more; many join the society for amusement. But, there are real geocentrists who dream of spheres within spheres and orreries, speculate that Copernicus killed Tycho Brahe and write dense, arcane mathematical proofs placing the Earth at the center of it all. Variants of such views apparently can be found in the Texas State legislature and, in 1999, Tom Willis --head of the Mid-Atlantic Creation Research Association-- was " intrumental in revising the Kansas elementary school curriculum to remove references to evolution, earth history, and science methodology". Willis was also a "geocentrist" and wrote, in 2000, a bold manifesto for both Young-Earth Creationism and Geocentrism:

"...all experiments to demonstrate that the earth moves at all have failed. All seem to indicate the earth does not move at all. There is much evidence that the earth is young and cannot possibly be millions, much less billions of years old but we will not treat that herein.... The Bible does not say that the earth is at the center of the universe. But, anyone looking up can see that the sun, planets and stars are moving. Galileo argued that this motion was relative, that really the earth was spinning and it only looks like these other objects move. But, both the observations and the Bible indicate quite strongly that the earth does not move." - Tom Willis

Tom Willis wasn't the only geocentrist toiling away to reverse  scientific theories that had been accepted for centuries. Indeed, geocentrists could be found in orbit, frolicking and also fighting with Copernicans, around a key ideological and theological gravitational center of the Christian right : the Chalcedon Foundation.

"The Tychonian Society was founded in Canada in 1971 by the late Dutch-Canadian educator, Walter van der Kamp (photo at right). The society was, and still is, a loose-knit, world-wide group of individuals from all walks of life. It's original purpose was to disseminate information about the central place occupied by the earth in the universe.

To achieve that goal, Mr. van der Kamp produced The Bulletin of the Tychonian Society, thus founding the Tychonian Society. The Bulletin featured articles on the history, philosophy, and scientific arguments and evidence for geocentrism, the belief that the earth is located at rest at the center of the creation.

In 1984 Walter van der Kamp retired as editor of the Bulletin and handed the reins to astronomy Ph.D., Dr. Gerardus D. Bouw..."

"Historians readily acknowledge that the Copernican Revolution [i.e., the idea that 'the earth moves and turns'] spawned the bloody French and Bolshevic revolutions... set the stage for the ancient Greek dogma of evolution...led to Marxism and Communism...It is reported that Marx even acknowledged his indebtedness to Copernicus, without whom Marx believed that his ideas would not have gained much acceptance...It is thus a small step to total rejection of the Bible and the precepts of morality and law taught therein." - Gerardus Bouw, Ph.D., "Why Geocentricity?"

Gerardus Bouw's commentary seems to suggest teleological, or utilitarian, reasons for Geocentric belief ; world conflict of the last five hundred years or so is heaped on Copernicus, and the presumed solution is to turn back the clock and put the earth back at the center of things.

"Rushdoony is for it"

Not all Christian Reconstructionists agree with the approach, and the Geocentric movement led to a quietly epic war of words and bruised feelings mischievously described at the time by Richard John Neuhaus

From time to time, we have had occasion to comment on the Reconstructionists or, as they are sometimes called, theonomists (see "Why Wait for the Kingdom? The Theonomist Temptation," FT, May 1990). The most prominent figure in this movement that advocates the universal applicability of Old Testament law is R. J. Rushdoony, who publishes Chalcedon Report out of California. Reconstructionism, in various forms, is not without influence among activists and thinkers in "the religious right." The movement is famously fractious, and for years Rushdoony has been crossing swords with his prolific son-in-law Gary North over questions wondrously exotic. The latest battle is over "geocentrism," the doctrine that the earth is the physical center of the creation. Rushdoony is for it and North is against it. Apparently they are lining up astrophysicists and other scientists to help confirm their conflicting exegesis of Scripture. Is this ridiculous? Those who are truly liberated from political correctness might respond that there are a lot of less-interesting questions that might be debated, and all too often are. Martin G. Selbrede has a "Chalcedon Position Paper" in defense of geocentricism in the October 1994 Chalcedon Report, and readers who want to know more about this fast-exploding controversy can write him at 9205 Alabama Ave., Suite E, Chatsworth, CA 91311. If we understand the argument, which is doubtful, Einstein is solidly on the Rushdoony side. Galileo has not been heard from, and reports that Gary North is in contact with him remain unconfirmed.

Gary North is one of the most prominent thinkers of Christian Reconstructionism, RJ Rushdoony the movement's intellectual father : it was a battle of the Reconstructionist titans. On Monday October 12th, 1992, North issued a sharply sarcastic denunciation of Geocentrism:

On the fringes of Creation Science is a small group of devotees of another theory, one offered in the name of Creation Science by its members, but a theory that has never been promoted in the books and journals of the Creation Science movement. This group defends geocentricity: the earth as the literal center of the universe. More than this: they defend a theory of an unmoving earth.The entire universe, they insist, revolves daily around our tiny world....

A cosmology which is this out of touch with modern astrophysics is far more of a tactical problem for Henry M. Morns and his natural science associates than it is for Christian Reconstruction, which concentrates on social theory and policy.

North tried to minimize the danger that the personal eccentricity called "Geocentricity" posed to the Christian Recontructionist movement, but the fact of the matter was that a small constellation of geocentric thinkers appeared to revolve around the hugely influential Chalcedon Foundation that has been credited as a key influence on the Christian right:

A May, 1995 edition of Time Magazine, featuring Ralph Reed's face on the cover alongside a feature story titled "The Right Hand Of God" , described the successful effort that year, by Christian right activists and the Christian Coalition, to take seize political control of the US Congress and Senate; as Joan Bokaer of Theocracy Watch writes, "Out of forty-five new members in the U.S. House of Representatives and nine in the U.S. Senate in 1994, roughly half were Christian Coalition candidates".Though an entire firmament of Christian right think tanks and nonprofit organizations has been created since then, Time's story credited only one institution as a seminal theological influence on the movement that burst so unexpectedly ( to some ) and jarringly onto the national stage ; the Chalcedon Foundation.

Chalcedon was --and may well still be --a hotbed of geocentricity. RJ Rushdoony, Chalcedon's very founder, seems to have been a geocentrist and the man Rushdoony tapped as his successor, Martin Selbrede, has emerged as a one of the leading theoreticians working doggedly to smack down the impudent Copernicus and restore the Earth to its rightful place at the center of the Universe and all creation.

Selbrede, to his credit, isn't trying to hide his views - nor is he trying to make a show of them either. Here's what appears to be a comment of Selbrede's, quite eloquent, posted on a Catholic geocentrist's blog, on a recent book on Geocentrism, by Robert Sungenis and Robert Bennett, entitled "Galileo Was Wrong"

It takes some measure of discipline to collate and assemble, in cogent form, the relevant scholarship touching on the matter of geocentricity. The task is complicated in no small part by the diversity of viewpoint evident among the adherents to this admittedly dissident approach to astrophysics. Well-intentioned but poorly-executed attempts along such lines have tended to discredit the geocentric model...

.....Just as the Chalcedon Foundation, a Protestant Christian educational institution, published the work of Notre Dame University's Prof. Edward J. Murphy due to the importance of his work, so it is fitting and right to extol this particular compendium for so clearly demonstrating that the emperor's wardrobe is not merely diaphanous, it's positively massless (or expressed more plainly, the emperor, modern science, is wearing no clothes).

It is with pleasure that I remand this volume into the hands of the reader, whether he or she is an atheistic scoffer, a Roman Catholic inquirer, a Protestant polemicist, an Evangelical skeptic, or is otherwise motivated to re-open an issue heretofore thought, wrongly, to have been settled nearly four centuries ago. I would recommend approaching this work with as open a mind as you can muster. More importantly, I would urge the Christian reader to come to grips with our built-in, and very human, "lust for credibility", our desire to have "friendship with the world" and retain "the praise of man", all of which have sapped our resolve and lead to slippery-slope compromises that continue to lead men into the ditch. This is all the more remarkable, insofar as the present volume exposes the dark, seamy underside of modern science and its Janus-like propensity for speaking out of both sides of its mouth simultaneously. For the critic consulting the volume with the sole intent of attacking it, Drs. Sungenis and Bennett have provided the right thing indeed: a big, fat, juicy target. Therefore, let the debate begin in earnest. With documentation this thorough, the opposition can be quickly called on the carpet for misquotation or taking points out of context. Such interaction with hostile critics can only strengthen future editions of this work. If more Christians would raise the bar like these two authors have done, we would more readily perceive that the Word of God is an anvil that has worn out many hammers ... and will continue to do so.

Martin G. Selbrede

Chief Scientist, UniPixel Displays, Inc.

Vice President, The Chalcedon Foundation

In Celebration Of The Geocentric Orrery !

[ Orreries are mechanical devices that model the orbital motion of celestial bodies. ]

"Introducing the new table-top geocentric orrery

In 2000, [B.A., 10(94):5] we introduced the first automated geocentric orrery manufactured by Pastor Paul Norwalt of Merrimack Baptist Temple, Merrimack, New Hampshire. The orrery, and a later, second-generation one, required an area some 12 to 14-feet in diameter to operate.

In the interim, Pastor Norwalt worked on a tabletop model. Early this June, he presented the first model to your editor. (See photos on

the back cover.) At present, two more models are under construction; both have been spoken for.

The model is automatic and ready for travel. If anyone is interested in a demonstration of the geocentric system, and would like to arrange a meeting for church or school, please call your editor at__________."

[ From "The Biblical Astronomer", Volume 14, Number 109, Summer 2004 ]

As the lovingly crafted geocentric orrery above demonstrates, Martin Selbrede is far from alone , and his pre-Copernican views are not new. As Gary North wrote, in his 1992 "Flat Earth Temptation" jeremiad :

They have been publicly promoting this theory since the mid-1970's. The Tychonian Society is one of the organizations that defends this cosmology. I prefer not to refer to this movement as geocentrism. They are geostationists. It is a movement with a unique theory of cosmic movement and immobility. When they say that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, they really mean it. They insist that the galaxies of the universe literally revolve around the earth, one revolution per day.

North's caustic  denunication elicited the following response from Martin Selbrede, entitled Rebuttal of North and Nieto :

In a surprising turn of events, Dr. Gary North hired Dr. Michael Martin Nieto, theoretical physicist at Los Alamos National Laboratory, to analyze alleged fatal flaws and defects in geocentric cosmology from the standpoint of an astrophysicist. Dr. North paid Dr. Nieto for the resulting essay, entitled "Testing Ideas on Geostationary Satellites," which is incorporated as the bulk of the publication bearing the superscription, "Geocentrism: An Astrophysicist's Comments."

Dr. Nieto interacted with virtually no relevant geocentric material, although it was not only available to Dr. North, but actually forwarded to him in 1992. Dr. North saw fit to return the most technically-oriented and complete videotaped lecture on geocentricity available at that time, without having ever watched it. The video provided up-to-date technical references in answer to Dr. North's many challenges, but he refused to view it. He could have saved himself the money, and Dr. Nieto the trouble, had he not inflicted such blindness upon himself. The response to Dr. Nieto is contained in that video, and we need merely rehearse it here to refute Dr. Nieto's and Dr. North's papers. The fact that Dr. North held that very video in his hands and yet refused to view it, reflects a tragic breakdown of academic and intellectual integrity on his part.

The conflict was never really resolved, and North's attempt to beat down the growing geocentric intellectual insurgency has so far failed ; a doctrine that might have seemed laughable a century ago seems to be spreading and recently has popped up in at least one member of the Texas GOP.

As North has written to one committed geocentrist:

"You have a problem. You want to believe the Bible. You have also accepted the teachings of the "geostationicity" movement as almost the equivalent of the Gospel. If this movement is wrong, you fear, maybe the Bible is wrong. This is not the case; the movement is almost certainly wrong while the Bible is certainly true - just not a literal interpretation of a few passages."

"This site is devoted to the historical relationship between the Bible and astronomy. It assumes that whenever the two are at variance, it is always astronomy—that is, our "reading" of the "Book of Nature," not our reading of the Holy Bible—that is wrong." - Introduction, from The Official Geocentricity Website

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Bruce Wilson writes for Talk To Action, a blog specializing in faith and politics.


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crazy carlos
Posted by: crazy carlos on Feb 16, 2007 6:57 PM   
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Crazy Carols ain't this crazy. Man, and you can bet someone in th castle on the Potomic is going to pick up on this. Looney Tunes was never this far out. SCARY!!!

Carlos

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DivaDeb
Posted by: DivaCleavage on Feb 16, 2007 7:32 PM   
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Wow, those galaxies out there on the outer rim are going at such a fast speed, revolving around US, you'd think they'd be a little blurry . . . Then again, most fundamentalists think the world revolves around THEM, so the logic is blurry.

Wow, a Texas State Rep has basically done the equivalent of forwarding crazy spam . . . and crazy it is.

Makes me think politicians should AT LEAST have to pass some sort of civil service exam, should know what is going on in the world, their corner of it, . . . I am . . . just . . . freakin . . . speechless . . . it is just so . . .

Scary.

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the end is coming
Posted by: bookie on Feb 16, 2007 7:55 PM   
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when logic is thrown out for childish superstitions.

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Wow. Lots of content. Great treatment of the subject matter. Have to point out, however...
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Feb 16, 2007 8:48 PM   
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...that everything is relative, in theory.

At least, according to this wild-haired genius named...oh...wait...I bet he's in on it...

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Sweet Jesus!
Posted by: activecitizen2007 on Feb 16, 2007 11:09 PM   
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Just when I thought the wingnuts had at least a few screws left they turn around and amaze me yet again. Then again, this isn't all that surprising when you think about it. They've been building towards this since the Scopes Trial. They could go all the way. OH, wait! They just did.

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Some people...
Posted by: Benjaminsjw on Feb 17, 2007 5:13 AM   
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... apparently think that some (all?) laws of physics can be repealed. It would be interesting to see the look on their faces when, after repealing Snell's law, their glasses stop functioning.

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Containment
Posted by: diof09 on Feb 17, 2007 11:04 AM   
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Apparently these loons are always waiting like an opportunistic virus to re-emerge when conditions are favorable. Funny, as a kid I had the childish notion that these kind of people were a thing of the past and were humbled by the scientific method. But no, their virulence sits in fundamentalist churches waiting to reinfect and brainwash impressionable minds. No wonder they want to dismantle the Public School systems so badly so the only alternative is for the unfortunate children to bow over their Bibles in a rhythmic chant.....

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Perhaps they're on to something here
Posted by: allblue on Feb 17, 2007 12:39 PM   
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Hmmm... It's funny they should say that because I have often felt that the universe revolves around my penis...

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Not all that surprising...
Posted by: eddie torres on Feb 17, 2007 12:49 PM   
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Everyone who counts knows that Texas is the center of the energy universe.

Iraq revolves around Houston. Dick Cheney revolves around The House of Saud. Therefore The House of Saud equals Houston.

Now if someone could just explain how Bush family and Moonie purchases of land in Paraguay fits in with the Zeroth Law of Thermodynamics ("If two thermodynamic systems are in thermal equilibrium with a third, they are also in thermal equilibrium with each other."):

Bush family + Moonies = Paraguay;

therefore:

Bush family = Moonies.

Viola.

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Don't Let Your Brain Fall Out
Posted by: thirdmg on Feb 17, 2007 1:27 PM   
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"I would recommend approaching this work with as open a mind as you can muster."

In ironic contradiction to the above quote (apparently from Selbrede), there's the cynical right-wing dictum which warns not to open your mind so much that your brain falls out.

Obviously, having an open mind can be healthy. But it's also dangerous if not guarded by knowledge, scepticism, clear thinking, a bit of common sense, and intellectual honesty. After all, convincing you to open your mind and lower your defenses is a common strategy of the con artist.

Geocentrists seem less motivated in furthering humanity's understanding of the universe than in protecting their own collapsing religious ideology.

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Finally, consistency
Posted by: Jeanne on Feb 17, 2007 5:30 PM   
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This is logical within the craziness of the funda"mental"ist Christian beliefs. It so doesn't make sense, that it makes sense that they can believe it. Check everything you ever learned at the door, then imbibe of this kool-aid. My only concern is that by even referring to this, we are emboldening the dolts.

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Monte
Posted by: Monte on Feb 17, 2007 7:23 PM   
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And what has this to do with Jesus Christ? That Jesus - the perfect demonstration of God himself, according to the Bible - had no interest in such things, doesn't seem to matter at all.

My complaint with fundamentalism generally is not that it is too Biblical, but that it displaces Jesus himself with Bible trivia. Mastering the trivia becomes the goal, rather than being mastered by Jesus. Ugh.

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Well, this is what happens.
Posted by: particle on Feb 17, 2007 7:43 PM   
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The Republican party has become a refuge for third rate thinkers who energetically fear and loath the very idea of meritocracy.

It's time to put a stop to the notion that it's OK to empower morons.

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Is this Disinformation?
Posted by: wwittman on Feb 18, 2007 12:27 AM   
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Doesn't this seem TOO silly?

Remember the story from not very long ago about the Grand Canyon and park rangers being told to not say how old it was or contradict "biblical" interpretations of its age?

Rmember how that turned out to be NOT true, after it had been posted and reposted everywhere by liberals jumping up and down with glee at proof of the stupid Bush White House's anti-science?

I wonder, truly, if this is intended to get us hyped up about nothing.

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The sort of thing..
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Feb 18, 2007 6:44 AM   
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.. this ist he sort of thing you get when the enemies of science don't even understand enough science to know whether or not they are right. How many that subscribe to such beliefs even bother to look at the proofs for the FACT that the earth revolves around the sun? No... not many I expect. Most just found some quack saying what they wanted to hear because their Bible supposedly tells them so (sorry.. I spent my entire childhood in the church, have read the Bible a few times.. by a few times I mean a few times all the way through.. and I still haven't run into that whole The Earth Don't Move crap).

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Amazing
Posted by: jims713 on Feb 18, 2007 12:30 PM   
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I tell ya every time I think I heard it all, something like this comes along. Absolutely unbelievable.

The world is headed for a new dark ages if these types are allowed to continue.

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We would feel it
Posted by: Artkansas on Feb 18, 2007 12:44 PM   
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If the Earth was moving over 1.2 Million Miles per hour as scientests claim.

Speed of Earth

We don't. That proves it. Ok? ;o)

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Individual is Center of the universe
Posted by: wobblies on Feb 19, 2007 2:31 PM   
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Hi~
I will scientifically demonstrate to you that you are the center of the universe. As you may know, astronomers use their extended hand as a crude measurement of distances between objects in the sky when pointing out objects in the sky relative to others: I learned this originally from a brochure from Griffith Observatory in L.A.

You extend your arm out in front of you and bend your hand up as a measuring device. In the Griffith manual, your index finger equals one degree. In other manuals different measures are given, but so long as the group gathered out under the stars is using the same measurement it is a handy means of helping someone find an object relative to other objects in the sky.

Now, if you hold your arm out in front of you and pivot around 360 degrees, you are in the center of everything around you: in other words, you are the center of the universe.

This information should be shared with all 10-year old children who act as though the world revolves around them as proof of their place in the universe. Now, if two or more people engage in the same enterprise, you will discover that we are all the center of the universe and cosmically united as one.

God Speed,
David

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Someone please
Posted by: NamVeT on Feb 20, 2007 9:59 AM   
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tell me just how in the hell can people continue to be so ignorant. Why don't we just start burning people at the stake for not agreeing with these EXTREEM RIGHT RELIGIOUS IDIOTS? Lord give me patience.

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