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Dean Under Fire for 48-State Strategy

Posted by Trish , Pensito Review at 5:35 AM on March 24, 2008.


Will Howard Dean cost the Democratic candidate the votes of Florida and Michigan?

Dr. He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named, as Jon has come to call Howard Dean around me and Buck, since just a mention of his name to Florida folks Gets Us Started, is taking well-deserved criticism. Time’s Tim Padgett asks all the good questions: Does Dean really plan to pursue a 48-State Strategy for victory, and if so, where is his leadership? More importantly, will Dean cost the Democratic candidate the votes of Florida and Michigan? We’ve been wondering the same things.

Florida’s famously feckless electoral system usually deserves the ridicule it gets. But not this time. Instead of the typical jokes about Flori-duh, the Sunshine State debacle currently gripping the Democratic Party has evoked reminders of the Dean Scream -- the notorious petulance of Democratic National Committee (DNC) Chairman Howard Dean. He, along with the other sage bosses of the DNC, has left Democratic voters in what is arguably the nation’s most crucial swing state feeling dissed, disenfranchised and, it now seems, disinclined to back whomever the Democratic candidate is in November. And that could harm the party’s White House bid as severely as any butterfly ballot or hanging chad ever did.

According to a poll conducted this week for various Florida media, almost a quarter of Florida Democrats say they’ll be “less likely to support” the party’s nominee if their state’s delegates aren’t seated at the Democratic National Convention in Denver in August -- and by seated they mean counted in the final tally to choose the presidential nominee.

I don’t agree with those who would withhold their votes from the Democratic candidate over this. But I do understand where they’re coming from. Dean claimed it was of vital importance that states like Iowa and New Hampshire, with tiny homogeneous populations, get to go one-on-one with the candidates because this intimate voter contact is what makes democracy work. He then forbade any candidate to be heard or seen by Florida voters.

Then there’s the question of all the prodigious Flori-dough. Prominent Florida Democratic donors and fund raisers are now threatening to withhold or seek the return of hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars from the national party if at least some of the state’s delegates are not reinstated.

Those risks were already apparent when Dean and the DNC made their original fateful decision.
…the DNC’s lack of foresight is astonishing, even more so now that Florida and Michigan have rejected the idea of costly and less than reliable primary revotes. After all, the Republican National Committee annulled only half of Florida’s G.O.P. delegates -- a more measured ruling the DNC could have mirrored. And while Democratic rivals Obama and Hillary Clinton couldn’t set foot in Florida in January, John McCain and his Republican competitors campaigned there and scored valuable face time with Florida independents, with McCain even winning the endorsement of the popular Crist.

The question at hand isn’t was Dean right back then. The question is, what are we going to do now? Dean appears resolved to put his own pride before a solution.

…Dean and the DNC painted themselves into a corner. They can’t easily lift the Florida-Michigan sanctions after all the authoritarian chest-thumping they did last year. Yet if the party heads into Denver without a clear nominee -- and needing the votes of Florida and Michigan to decide the issue -- their peremptory action will seem even more ridiculous, making the leadership of the so-called people’s party look like a clique of arrogant patricians thwarting the popular will.
What’s worse, Dean and the DNC now look all but AWOL when it comes to resolving a mess they did so much to create, leaving it to the states to figure it out.

Dean seems to believe that the Democratic candidate can take the White House even while losing the electoral college votes of Florida and Michigan. He imagines that Democrats will be so strong they will trounce McCain without breaking a sweat. Recent polls don’t bear that idea out. Dean was wrong once before, about his own chances. We will all be screaming like banshees if we let him bungle again.

Digg!

Trish is a regular blogger for the Pensito Review.


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Who Killed the Democratic Party??
Posted by: ccluelessfl60 on Mar 24, 2008 7:31 AM   
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As a registered democratic voter in Florida no one asked me if I wanted the primary date moved up and the resulting disenfranchisement enforced. Again we here in Florida are denied our basic right to vote by forces beyond our control. In the 2000 election our votes where not counted and now our own party fails us. I will vote in November because I demand my vote but the leaders of our party better get a grip in what is important. The Voters . I was one of the $10. little contributors to the party but no more. Now in the grand scheme of things the absence of my money and vote do not mean anything, but is this the party I want to remain in for the last few years I may have left? I always say I am a genetic Democrat born and bred ,but when my party refuses to count me why would I stay. Many of us will become independents if we lose the White House . So you choose Mr Dean . Do you want to be remembered as the man who killed the party.

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wont be voting in 08
Posted by: tlwhitford on Mar 24, 2008 7:38 AM   
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If florida and michigan are excluded then so am i. if the democrats are that damned stupid to loose a sure win, then i dont want to be associated with them. im a 50 year old male, been a registered democrat since 1976, the first year of the 18 year old vote. im from indiana, a red state forever. always seemed my vote never counted for much anyway, never the less ive always voted. but this is beyond more than i can take. this is insanity. this election, i will either be voting republican, or not voting at all. im sure im cutting my nose to spite my face, but i have just had it with the leaders of this party. i just cant believe that they are that ignorant. maybe i need a big pitcher of that republican coolaid to wash this bad taste out of my mouth. im just discusted.

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» RE: wont be voting in 08 Posted by: sui_generis
Cry Babies
Posted by: OldRedleg on Mar 24, 2008 7:38 AM   
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Michigan and Florida knew what they were risking when they decided to try to make themselves more important in their own eyes by bucking the rules and moving their primary election to a too-early period of time. Now they are crying because they got caught with their pants down and realize that they could have actually been a real factor after all had they not changed their dates. All I can can say is "sleep in the bed you made!"

This malarky about being so important because they are a "swing state" is precisely why Dean is pursuing his 50 State strategy. If the Democrats are competitive and can win in enough states across the country, they not only become more representative of people of this country as a whole, but can minimize the power of the DLC and their moneyed power bases in their favorite states.

I still believe that had the Democrats paid even a small modicum of attention and money in Virginia in 2004, it could have swung the state to the Democratic side, and the theft of Ohio by the Republicans would not have even been the issue that decided the election. But no, the DLC wanted to and still wants to concentrate on what they consider their swing states and completely ignore the rest of the country. We have seen where that strategy has led ever even earlier than the 2000 election.

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Uninformed and unearned indignance.
Posted by: drmflorida on Mar 24, 2008 7:50 AM   
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Enjoying your Democratic majority, which was picked up in 'unexpected' places in 2006?? Thank Howard Dean and the 50 state plan. The idea that we were writing off huge swaths of this country as being unwinnable is unconscionable. Revitalizing campaigns everywhere was the right thing to do and the smart thing to do.

As another registered Florida voter, I know that it was the Florida legislature, who we elected, that violated DNC (and RNC) rules by holding a primary so early. But that's just because I usually research an issue before coming to an opinion.

The Democratic Party has the right to control the process by which candidates are nominated. Your party has not disenfranchised you, your legislature has, once again. Until we have earned a democratic and honest government in Florida, we can expect to continue to be disenfranchised at the national level, as our elections will continue to be stolen with our rights and our livelihood.

We should be offering an apology to Dean and every other citizen in this country for failing to defeat the most vile state organ of the Republican party once again every election day. We haven't earned the right to be indignant.

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Dissed and disenfranchised? Maybe...
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Mar 24, 2008 8:02 AM   
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...but there is nothing in the U.S. Constitution that protects a citizen from feeling dissed, nor is there anything in the U.S. Constitution regarding party games such as "primaries".

As long as we tolerate a two-party system of government, those parties get to make their petty rules by which they play their petty games.

Florida and Michigan wanted to be the schoolyard bullies--the ones who cut in line to kick the ball first--at the beginning of this contrived "primary" affair. Now they're pissed because someone named Howard Dean had to step into the role of playground monitor, grab them by their ears, and make them go sit in the corner.

Childish, partisan, bullying freaks in the legislatures of FL and MI deserve the ire of their constituents. They knew the rules, and flaunted them. There's your blame target, if that's what you're after. Now sic'em, boy.

Beyond that, boo-hoo for them, and boo-hoo for the consequences for the party nomination game.

Hell, in my state, unless you belong to either the party of money or party of power, you don't get to even cast a primary vote. I don't, so cry me a farcking river while you're at it for being "disenfranchised" from the parties' popularity contests, also.

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Punish the party LEADERS not the VOTERS
Posted by: weslen1 on Mar 24, 2008 8:03 AM   
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In the first place, the party LEADERS in FL and MI made the decision to move the primary date UP, while the VOTERS had no say in the matter. Yes, we were TOLD that our votes may not count and our delegates might not be seated, however, once the primary date was SET, we had no choice except to VOTE on that day, OR stay home and not even TRY to make a difference.
Those who stayed home, made that CHOICE of their OWN FREE WILL.
There are several ways this can be resolved without pretending FL and MI do not exist. 1: Fire the party leaders of FL and MI. 2: Fine the party leaders for "breaking the rules". 3: Give the party leaders an UNPAID leave of absense. Not only is a re-vote unnecessary and UNFAIR, it is going to end up splitting the Democratic Party and putting McCain in office.
Obama CHOSE to take his name off the ballot in MI, though that was NOT required. Dodd, Biden, Richardson, and Edwards did the same. Kucinich, Gravel and Clinton left theirs on.
Yet, the Obama people want half the delegates to go to Obama, even though he RESOUNDINGLY LOST to Hillary in both states. If he doesn't get them, the Obama Camp will cry fowl.
The Clinton Camp will cry fowl if half the delegates go to Obama or are not seated at all BECAUSE CLINTON WON MORE VOTES IN FL AND MI THAN ALL OTHER CANDIDATES COMBINED.
I REPEAT: CLINTON WON MORE VOTES IN FL AND MI THAN ALL OTHER CANDIDATES COMBINED.
If a re-vote is taken NOW, 6 candidates who were on the ballots in January are no longer in the race. SO!!!! Some of those who voted for those 6 will vote for Obama and some for Clinton, but the final tally would STILL be for Clinton.
Give Hillary Clinton the delegates she CLEARLY WON, STOP PUTTING THE GENERAL ELECTION AT RISK OF GOING TO MCCAIN, PUNISH THE PARTY LEADERS WHO MADE THE DECISION TO "BREAK THE RULES" AND PUT AN END TO THIS NONSENSE. HILLARY WON MI AND FL HANDS DOWN AND WISHING IT WEREN'T SO OR "HOPING" IT WEREN'T SO WILL NOT CHANGE THE FACTS. GET RID OF DEAN IF HE'S SO BUSH STUBBORN HE CAN'T GET HIS HEAD OUT OF THE SAND. HE HASN'T A LEG TO STAND ON. HE LOST HIS OWN RUN FOR PRESIDENT DUE TO HIS OWN IDIOCY AND IF HE'S LEFT TO MAKE THIS CRUCIAL DECISION, HE WILL THROW THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TO THE WOLVES.
ONCE MORE: HILLARY CLINTON WON MORE VOTES IN MI AND FL THAN ALL OTHER CANDIDATES COMBINED. SHE WON!!!! THE ONLY FAIR AND HONEST THING TO DO IS GIVE HER THE DELEGATES SHE WON. DO NOT GIVE HALF OF THEM TO THE CLEAR LOSER OF THESE TWO STATES. AND IF "PUNISHMENT" IS SO ALL FIRED IMPORTANT, PUNISH THE PARTY LEADERS WHO MADE THE DECISION AND NOT THE VOTERS WHO HAD NO SAY.

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like the Florida recount in 2000
Posted by: jeffersonian on Mar 24, 2008 8:27 AM   
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the Michigan and Florida "revote" issue is being viewed through a "partisan" lens. OF COURSE the votes should have been recounted in 2000, and recounted again and again, but in the interest of "get 'er done" the voters were not heard. We are so impati8ent these days. In the 1800s, it wasn't at all unusual for the votes to take a month or two to count. Which is more important, expediency or getting it right?

The Obama supporters want him to be crowned the nominee in order "to get it over with". They are being short-sighted. Hillary is getting under their skin. If Obama loses Florida and Michigan to McCain, he will probably lose the election.

The "50state strategy" sounds good, and may be important in Congressional and Senate elections, but there is still the reality of the Electoral College. It is a winner-take-all system.

Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania weren't "picked" because they are favorites, they play a crucial role in the Electoral Vote count.

Only a handful of states are actually in play. Most of the states Obama carried in caucuses aren't among them. Hillary didn't make this rule. The Electoral College map is enshrined in the Constitution.

First get rid of the Electoral College (if you can) then talk about "50-state strategies". Dean will be fired after the election.

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I think too we were assuming
Posted by: jeffersonian on Mar 24, 2008 8:30 AM   
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we would be running against Guiliani or Romney at the beginning of the primary season. Now that we know it is McCain, we need to adjust, but it is getting late, and Democrats are attached to their candidates. McCain has a real chance of winning, something Democrats didn't even consider back in November, 2007.

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You FL and MI people are being punk'd
Posted by: happycozy on Mar 24, 2008 8:36 AM   
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The secret that the Clinton campaign doesn't want us to know is that the MI and FL delegates will be seated in August--only they'll be seated by the presumptive nominee (i.e., Barack Obama). Again, in case you missed it, the DNC will seat the MI and FL delegates at the convention.

So this fuss about the delegates not being seated is a ruse created by Clinton supporters to force expensive revotes so that Clinton can diminish Obama's lead in pledged delegates and popular vote. She knows she won't surpass him in pd and pv, but if she can widdle his lead down, then she'll have an argument to present to the SD that she's more electible.

I'm not faulting her for trying because I'd do the same thing if I were in her shoes. I'm saying that FL and MI are being used as pawns by the Clinton campaign and the Republican-dominated state gov't (in FL anyway), and the voters should know that before threatening to sit out an election.

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Just chill
Posted by: Fishbone Soldier on Mar 24, 2008 9:09 AM   
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What happycozy says above is right on. Furthermore, come November, is anyone going to be worried about this? The voters of both states will get a chance to have their say. Those who are staunch Hillary supporters may still feel wounded about not getting their Hillary vote counted. Those who are Obama supporters certainly won't balk at giving him a general election vote. Those who are undecided really don't give a damn.

So everyone relax. Obama will win Michigan. Florida will be a tossup, and this will be a non-issue.

Fight the Youth

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being in Michigan myself,
Posted by: hurricane hugo on Mar 24, 2008 9:55 AM   
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and seeing what 8 years of Republican rule at the national level has done to this state's economy, I have no fear whatsoever that McCain will win Michigan in November. He'll be lucky to get within 20 points of Obama.

jdfu!

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Impeachment is the real key to a 50 state strategy and the whole party is missing that boat
Posted by: Rune on Mar 24, 2008 12:01 PM   
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If Dean and the rest of the Democratic leadership would pursue impeachment of Bush for the crimes he has committed in pursuit of war, spying, and economic policies that McCain has tied himself to, the Democrats would not need to worry about whether they could squeak by him in the general election. As it is, they are mostly ignoring the issues that form the bases for impeaching Bush and Cheney while their two leading candidates promise, more than anything, to compromise with the party that continues to push for policies that have ruined the country under Bush. Worse, by not upholding their duty to impeach the president and vice president for multiple high crimes, the Congress, now led by Democrats, is setting a precedent to allow further corruption and disgrace to mark the office no matter who hold it. To focus on petty power grabs and grab backs within the party while the whole nation suffers from criminal neglect is just pathetic.

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I actually know Karen Thurman...
Posted by: FAITHCARR on Mar 24, 2008 2:43 PM   
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I an others active in the FDP, first e-mailed, then called Karen to BEG her not to go along with the pre-emptive primary.

We wanted our VOTES to count.

Karen, Bill Nelson, et.al. (repugs all) would not even consider accepting the alternate (and acceptable) date in late Jan.

Ironic but true, when one of my compatriots went to the JJ dinner in Orlando, she discovered that Hillary campaign materials and donation envelopes on all the tables.

Yes, it was before the primary.

Oh I did vote in our primary, but I won't be voting in November.

It is what it is.

And sweeties, it is already too late.

Faith

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Dean has some poor judgment
Posted by: go1 on Mar 24, 2008 6:25 PM   
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Thank God Dean didn't win last time around. He has shown he has extremely poor judgment (he's a dictator, someone who pulls the rulebook out to disenfranchise entire states arguing form over substance-- what a twit!!!).

You cannot disenfranchise an entire state's right to vote in a primary, much less TWO states due to technical violations.

Even the Republicans only took away HALF of the delegates from their states that violated their rules. The DEMS take away the entire state's voice in the primaries??!!!

What has happened to the Democratic party when the Republicans care more about getting everyone a vote/voice than Dems do (at least the Repubs states in violation counted half their delegates)?

Can a party's rules really trump the Constitution? I think that is where this is heading. I know there is no direct rule in the US Constitution, but I think the penumbra of all the Constitutional rights to vote cover this, and I have a feeling Dean and the leadership of the DNC are in direct violation of the US Constitution by disenfranchising 2 entire states.

Good luck to the DNC, but I'm beginning to question if they are any different from the guys who have been there the last 8 years if they want to substitute their own "judgment" for those of millions of voters who had no say in this matter (no say in the technical violation of their state) in 2 large states.

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» RE: Dean has some poor judgment Posted by: OldRedleg
Just a reminder-spread the word
Posted by: Brian70 on Mar 25, 2008 12:29 AM   
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Just remember: regardless of the Michigan and Florida scenario, and regardless of who the Democrats or Republicans nominate, it's up to the American people who they want to vote for to be President! I'm an independent and vote for people of both parties, but my favorites of both parties have been eliminated by "The Party" elimination/nomination process. I suggest, that this year, people from both parties, use their write in option and write in the person of their choice for President. If you are a Republican and liked Rudy, write him in! If you are a Democrat and liked Richardson, write him in! Send a message that we are independent minded citizens of this great Country aren't going to be controlled by same political BS and things have to change and politicians have to start listening to the people.

I really mean this. Think about it. Both parties have eliminated declared nominees that many, many people wanted to vote for President. If you just forget the Parties formal nominees and voted for the person you wanted in your party (or someone else) to begin with, what would happen? What really would happen if 4, 5, 6 people all got less that 20% of the general election vote? It certainly would send a message to the big 2 Parties. Know that the last few Presidents have been elected with less than 50% of the vote so if you really vote for who you want to be President, this could happen.

I would really like a reply to this idea, either positive or negative, to tell me why this would/wouldn't work and why.

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Ignorance Abounds Yet Again
Posted by: deatonfl on Mar 25, 2008 2:00 PM   
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Once again I read all these bloggers who don't know what the heck they are talking about; please people if you are going to spew this kind of crap, try to educate yourself so you at least appear intelligent.
The Republican controlled legislature here in Florida passed this measure moving up the Democratic primary and it was signed into law by a Repbulican governor. They did this to split the Democratic party and create this dissension; you people are sure showing that they made a wise decision. It is true that Democrats voted for this as well but that was because the Republicans tacked on to this bill the requirement that Florida provide a ballot with a paper trail, something the Demo's have been fighting for since we were cheated in the Gore/Bush election. The Democrats thought it was more important to get this issue for the voters, never thinking that Mr Dean would fall for the ploy and punish his own party. In my book Howard Dean is an idiot and is hurting this party with his stupidity. I have refused to contribute to the party since this debacle started however I WILL vote for the Democratic nominee in spite of it. I will not stoop to the same level of stupidity that Mr Dean and the DNC has gone. This is why Democrats have problems winning elections; because we let the Republicans out smart us, we fall for it and fight among ourselves. If we are that stupid, maybe we don't deserve to win and govern; I hope we will wake up before it is too late!

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