Home
Archive
Columnists
Video
Blogs
Discuss
About
Search
Donate
Advertise
100 words for 100 days: submit your 100 word essay and get published on AlterNet
Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement
  • AlterNetYour turn

Support AlterNet
Do you value the information you're getting from AlterNet? Please show your support with a tax-deductible donation.


Feedback
Tell us how we're doing.

Advertisement
Advertisement

McCain on War in Iraq: "We're Succeeding, I Don't Care What Anybody Says"

Posted by Blue Texan, Firedoglake at 1:07 PM on March 25, 2008.


Just like Vice President Last Throes, St. McCain doesn't give a rat's ass what the American people think about his awesome war.

Just like Vice President Last Throes, St. McCain doesn't give a rat's ass what the American people think about his awesome war:

Returning from his eighth trip to Iraq, McCain didn't back down on his promise to see the war through despite yesterday's tragic milestone of 4,000 deaths. "We're succeeding. I don't care what anybody says. I've seen the facts on the ground," the Arizona senator insisted a day after a roadside bomb in Baghdad killed four U.S. soldiers and rockets pounded the U.S.-protected Green Zone there, and a wave of attacks left at least 61 Iraqis dead nationwide.

Recent polls indicate that over 60% of the American people 1) oppose Bush/McCain's handling of the war, 2) want our troops out within a year, 3) think the war wasn't worth fighting, and, screw you St. McCain ---4) think neither side is winning. To summarize, the American people hate the war and want it over, yesterday. But St. McCain doesn't care. And he continues to dishonestly talk about "success" when even Petraeus admits the surge has objectively failed.

The arrogance is staggering.

****

UPDATE by Scarecrow:

I agree with Glenn Greenwald that the US media cannot let go of the myth that John McCain's years in the US Senate and his frequent trips to Iraq make him an "expert" on Iraq and foreign affairs. Washington pundits excuse his repeated "misstatements" confusing Shia with Sunnis, al Qaeda with Iran, while Fox News ominously calls this astonishing ignorance a "senior moment."

Yet almost every day, McCain says something that shows his "expertise" is nothing more than ideology divorced from the actual facts. Consider only McCain's statements yesterday on Iraq:

CHULA VISTA, Calif. (AP) -- Fresh off his eighth Iraq visit, Sen. John McCain declared Monday that "we are succeeding" and said he wouldn't change course -- even as the U.S. death toll rose to 4,000 and the war entered its sixth year.
To underscore his view of the stakes in Iraq, the certain Republican presidential nominee twice referenced a recent audio tape from Osama bin Laden in which the al-Qaida leader urged followers to join the al-Qaida fight in Iraq and called the country "the greatest opportunity and the biggest task."
"For the first time, I have seen Osama bin Laden and General (David) Petraeus in agreement, and, that is, a central battleground in the battle against al-Qaida is in Iraq today. And that's what bin Laden was saying and that's what General Petraeus is saying and that's what I'm saying, my friends," McCain said.
"And my Democrat opponents who want to pull out of Iraq refuse to understand what's being said and what's happening -- and that is the central battleground is Iraq in this struggle against radical Islamic extremism," he added. McCain also said Democratic rivals Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton were naive and "dead wrong" to want to withdraw troops.

McCain claims that Petraeus and OBL agree with him that the war in Iraq is the "central front" in the war against terror, but is that true? Last September Petraeus ducked Senator Warner's question about whether the fight in Iraq is making us safer, because he probably believes, as most sentient observers do, that if you view the problem primarily as a military confrontation between the US and AQ, the central fight against al Qaeda is not in Iraq but in Afghanistan/Pakistan. The experts in our intelligence community have said that repeatedly.

Petraeus and staff may speak of al Qaeda as a main "enemy" in Iraq, but they acknowledge that US forces also battle other Sunni groups as well as various Shia militia, especially Sadr's Mahdi Army, elements of which are battling the US and Iraq Army today. But claiming a group calling itself "al Qaeda in Iraq" is part of the "enemy" in Iraq is not the same as claiming that Iraq is the "central front" in the war on al Qaeda or radical extremism.

As for OBL, the latest tapes attributed to him are not saying what McCain is claiming either. Instead, they're saying Iraq is "the greatest opportunity." No kidding. Anyone with an ounce of sense would see the US quagmire in Iraq as an opportunity for those who wish us harm to continue damaging US interests and its military, but without risking the al Qaeda strongholds in Afghanistan/Pakistan. Indeed, using Iraq as a diversion for gullible Americans is in OBL's interests. The more plausible interpretation is that OBL is cynically inviting outraged young Sunnis from Saudi Arabia. etc, to go fight the Americans in Iraq, a strategy that hurts us but costs him nothing. To borrow a US General's phrase from the first Gulf war, OBL is probably saying "gotcha."

For McCain to retreat into denial that this could give an advantage to OBL is another indication that his neocon blinders prevent him from realizing how his misconceptions hurt US security.

The only people who, like McCain, call Iraq the "central front" are Bush, Cheney, Lieberman and other neocon idiots who made the mistake of urging America to invade a country with no links to 9/11, al Qaeda or Obsama bin Ladin and that posed no danger to US strategic interests. Meanwhile, the White House is considering a "pause" in troop withdrawals, arguing they may need 140,000 US troops bogged down in Iraq indefinitely with no exit strategy (Lindsay Graham notwithstanding).

So where's the expertise? Where's the wisdom that flows from experience? Yesterday's statements are just more proof that far from being an wise "expert" on foreign policy, John McCain views the world through a distorted ideological lens. Like Bush, he either doesn't understand the strategic forces at work or has chosen to misrepresent them to the American people.

And that's exactly how you get 4000 US soldiers killed and five years later your President is still desperately trying to convince their families they did not die in vain.

Digg!

Blue Texan is a regular contributing blogger for FireDogLake.


Cheney Calls Iraq 'Significant Success, Masterfully Done'
In a classic example of a Dick who likes to place blame on others, Cheney blames the lengthy, bloody occupation on lack of Iraqi "get up and go."
January 4, 2009.
Dick Cheney Embraces "Go F*ck Yourself," Historically Low Approval Numbers
Dick appears physically incapable of regret, which, in case you didn't know, is actually rather common among the Undead.
December 21, 2008.
Newly Released Presidential Tapes Expose Nixon's Treason
Would Humphrey have won in '68 if LBJ went public and exposed Nixon's treachery?
December 6, 2008.
Desperate Republicans See Georgia Senate Runoff as a 'Firewall' Against Progress
With races in Alaska and Minnesota not going well for them, the GOP is determined to hold on to Saxby Chambliss' seat.
November 13, 2008.
Palin Tells Dobson That 'Prayer Warriors' Should Ask God to Intervene in U.S. Election for GOP
Does this mean that Sarah Palin believes that without God's intervention the McCain-Palin ticket will lose?
October 22, 2008.
Advertisement
Comments Turn comments off sitewide Give us feedback »
Comments closed.
The comments for this story have been closed. Thank you to everyone who participated.
View:
MAKE A CALL FOR IMPEACHMENT & MEDIA COVERAGE OF THE WAR!!
Posted by: foreverhope on Mar 25, 2008 3:40 PM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Sorry for cross posting but this is IMPORTANT and will send MCPAIN a STRONG message! Copy paste and spread it far and wide!

Do you phone or write to the media with your concerns? Have you ever thought of phoning and writing to CNN and MSNBC and other media every single day to tell them what you expect from them? or to praise the journalists and broadcasters (like Olbermann) that ARE trying to 'get it right'? They ARE out there, MANY of them!

How many of you phone or write to Nancy Pelosi or other dems to tell them you are with them on ending this war, rebuilding Iraq while bringing our military safely home? Do you ever tell the media and elected representatives you really care about our vets and their needs?

Just tell them to do their frigging jobs! We don't need to know about Britney! We don't need to hear about O.J.! I don't care if Spitzer keeps his socks on when he has sex!

Damn! Be nice or scream at them but TELL THEM!

MSNBC/NBC ask for comment line:

1-212-664-4444

While you're at it tell them to fire Buchanan's ass!

David Gregory - Race08 on MSNBC - Leave a concise question for his panel:

1-212-790-2299

CNN, you can leave a message and even talk to a live person if you don't mind waiting a few minutes:

1-404-827-1500

CNN (publicinformation@cnn.com)

Keith Olbermann (countdown@msnbc.com)

MSNBC (letters@msnbc.com)

IT'S NEVER TOO LATE!

Friday, February 08, 2008
Conyers Says He's on Edge of Starting Impeachment
AfterDowningStreet.org
By David Swanson

On Thursday, Chairman John Conyers' House Judiciary Committee held a hearing at which Attorney General Michael Mukasey said that he would not investigate torture (video) or warrantless spying (video), he would not enforce contempt citations (video), and he would treat Justice Department opinions as providing immunity for crimes (report).

None of this was new, but perhaps it touched something in Conyers that had not been touched before. Following the hearing, he and two staffers met for an hour and 15 minutes with two members of Code Pink to discuss impeachment.

Conyers expressed fear of what might happen following an impeachment, fear of installing a Bush replacement or losing an election. The "corporate power structure", he said, would not allow impeachment without unleashing "blowback." Conyers told Ellen Taylor and Manijeh Saba: "You need to be more than brave and courageous. You need to be smart."

Their response? They are asking people who care about justice to help them let Conyers know that the smart thing right now would be bravery and courage.

Let's push Conyers over the edge by flooding his office with phone calls, faxes, and Emails. Let him know that only impeachment hearings convince voters that Democrats care about the Constitution.

Call 202-225-5126
Fax 202-225-0072
Email john.conyers@mail.house.gov

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, but be nice, she has one hell of a job!

1-202-224-3121

MAKE THEM DO IT! Call morning noon and night if you have free long distance, JUST DO IT!


This is what grassroots is all about.

"Why should we hear about body bags, and deaths...I mean, it's not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that?"

~First Lady Barbara Bush spoke these words on ABC's "Good Morning America," March 18, 2003

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» Old ways die hard Longdream Posted by: foreverhope
Hmmm... sounds an awful lot like...
Posted by: Quannah on Mar 25, 2008 5:29 PM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Dick's "So?"

McStain is awfully fond of telling his colleagues in the Senate, "Fuck you." If elected, you can bet he will be saying that to the American people on a regular basis.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Great John! Keep it up! Tell it like it is!
Posted by: Longdream on Mar 25, 2008 8:56 PM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
(you sclerotic old turkey.)

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Conflicted in the face of more knowledge
Posted by: Fishbone Soldier on Mar 25, 2008 11:07 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Did anyone else watch the Frontline programs the last two nights on PBS? Extremely well done, comprehensive detail about how this Iraq war came about. Everything can always be edited and highlighted in different ways, but this seemed so comprehensive, getting input from most of the major players. Everything was very matter-of-fact, and to the point. Just an amazing document of what happened.

That we had no business invading is clear, but all the infighting and behind-the-scenes politics were brought to light in a way I hadn't known before. Pairing it with No End in Sight, you really understand how many things were repeatedly botched in the most arrogantly stupid ways. It painted a picture of Bush not actually running anything and letting Cheney, Rumsfeld, Tenet, Rice, and Powell fight it out amongst themselves. Nobody was steering the ship. No wonder it wrecked on a sandbar.

Anyway, my point in bringing it up here is that I now feel more conflicted than ever about what should be done in Iraq. Certainly McCain can't be trusted - he is either getting dottery or intentionally playing loose with the facts.

The number one thing that is abundantly clear is that new leadership is key. Bush has never made any decisions on Iraq and never will. He absolved himself of Commander in Chief duties throughout. McCain wants more of the same, and one can only assume by his comments that this means more of the same laissez-faire leadership (to put it as kindly as possible) that got us into this mess.

So, what to do? Get some really smart people in there, make a choice and hope for the best. Given how far the bus has been driven into the ditch at this point, it's nearly buried. But maybe the right leadership can dig it out halfway and make it drivable. Lord knows the soldiers are trying.

It also makes me more focused on motives of those running for the office. Given the mess Bush is bequeathing, I can't fathom why anyone would want it. A high-minded approach to the job will be crucial for success, no matter who gets it.

Fight the Youth

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: Bush's War Posted by: Dadster3
» RE: Bush's War Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Bush's War Posted by: Fishbone Soldier
The question
Posted by: Tompatriot on Mar 26, 2008 4:15 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
What would the founders do?

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» The answer Posted by: peacefullaim
» RE: The question Posted by: Sissy
Islam, democracy, and a uniquely iraquian solution
Posted by: Vic Fedorov on Mar 26, 2008 5:22 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The problem in Iraq is part that Islam is not prone to democracy. They are used to propping up tyrants who sell us oil.

Therefore the nation of Iraq is in a unique position to show that Islam can produce a viable government that is neither dictatorship nor democratic: as there is too much international pressure on Iraq to give way to a dictator, and Islam is not a religion prone to democracy.

Both Sunnis and Shiites should understand that the US will leave on the condition that there is no fighting. Muslims should understand if there is fighting, there will be an obligatory and more international return and it will be the muslims fault. But now we don't even run that test. Whatever it costs to run a war each day, is soon saved the sooner we move away.

Because what ever this unique opportunity posed to the nation of Iraq developes as a political system, it should be innovative, unique and a priori endemic to, and entirely of, Iraq.

It's not the sort of thing that can be helped along by another nation. That only drains the necessary autonomy.

There is also very little historical precedence for a victorious nation honorably trying to guide the creation of another government for another nation.

I would think the historical protocol is to subdue an area that was a problem, and then withdraw, letting that area proove it can run itself without being a problem. And if it is a problem again, subdue it again.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» Subdue another nation? Posted by: LeeAnnG
» RE: Subdue another nation? Posted by: Vic Fedorov
Definition of sucess
Posted by: rafey on Mar 26, 2008 1:30 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
My idea of success is living in a cardboard box and begging for food. I guess it all depends on one's personal perspective.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Civil War
Posted by: frank69 on Mar 28, 2008 11:21 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Lets see: During the "American" Civil War, the Union government did keep England from supporting the Confedate Rebels.
But in Iraq, our US government is intervening and supporting neither "side" - we're busy fighting all sides!
Go figure.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Succeeding In Iraq
Posted by: lively56 on Mar 28, 2008 1:06 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Mcpain is absolutely right in a sense, they're succeeding in murdering hundreds of thousands of innocent human beings. That is the only thing they're succeeding in.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]