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All Over But the Dying

Posted by Tai Moses at 4:27 PM on December 12, 2005.


His bid for clemency denied, Stanley Williams' execution is scheduled to take place just after midnight.

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Stanley Williams has, as they say in the parlance of desperation, exhausted all his appeals.

Just after noon today, Arnold Schwarzenegger denied Williams clemency, declaring bluntly that he did not buy the ex-gang leader's change of heart or claims of innocence. "Without an apology and atonement for these senseless and brutal killings, there can be no redemption," wrote the California governor in his five-page statement of decision.

Williams' refusal to apologize for the crimes he has always claimed he did not commit seems to have been the deciding factor in the Governor's decision. "In this case, the one thing that would be the clearest indication of complete remorse and full redemption is the one thing Williams will not do."

Just prior to the release of Schwarzenegger's statement, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals rejected the 51-year-old Williams' request for a reprieve. His execution, by lethal injection, is scheduled to take place at 12:01am Tuesday. Reporters are thronging the gates of San Quentin prison, where the California Highway Patrol has beefed up security in anticipation of the thousands of protesters who are expected to gather this evening.

As for Williams himself, by all reports, he remains calm. At 6pm PST, he will eat his last meal in his cell. He will dictate his last words, if he chooses to leave any behind, to the prison warden. As he said recently, "If it's my time to be executed, what's all the ranting and raving going to do?"

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All over but the dying?
Posted by: DFrost on Dec 12, 2005 5:36 PM   
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Actually, there has already been a fair amount of dying in this case, although thus far, it has been done entirely by Tookie's innocent victims. Tookie's had his due process (and plenty of it). Now, it's all over but the justice.

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Arnold and Violence
Posted by: Lesley-Reid on Dec 12, 2005 6:34 PM   
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I believe that Tookie has had a change of heart. Why would he be doing the work he is doing with gang members who are inmates if he didn't. He can do more good alive than dead. Having him spend the rest of his life in jail is enough, isn't it??
Besides if I remember correctly the new testament is all about forgiveness - it's the old that's all about an eye for an eye ...... so where does that leave us today??? I guess we are still living contrary to the teachings of Christ.
Furthermore - I find it bizarre that here we have a man that is turning peoples lives around on one hand and Arnold on the other ...... now there's an upstanding citizen decrying violence and setting an example through his movies of how to settle disputes.... NOT!!!!
I know Arnold can use the arguement that he was just acting, but give me an example of ONE thing he has done as governor to make positive change through non-violent means!!!
Seems like Tookie is doing a better job behind bars ....

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To THE EDITORS ALTERNET
Posted by: EJW on Dec 12, 2005 7:29 PM   
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Thank you! This is an important discussion to have, with excellent arguments on both sides of the issue. I don't think anyone is condoning this man's past, whether or not he committed this specific arts. But he is a different man now and doing good work.

The best (bad word) Saints start as Sinners.

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On The Murder Of Stanley Williams
Posted by: malcolmartin on Dec 12, 2005 7:46 PM   
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As this is written it appears all hope is lost for Stanley “Tookie” Williams. You will likely rest in peace tonight but your people’s rage will burn for years to come against the wealthy white men who will soon murder you in the name of justice. Up from poverty, deprivation and abandonment Stanley Williams you had the strength and intellect to organize your “loved ones” as the Crips. You then grew beyond gang life and reached out your powerful hands to guide the children. You are a great man whose life shames the pathetic weaklings that occupy the White House and other seats of power in America.

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Tookie Takes The Needle...
Posted by: paul475 on Dec 12, 2005 9:12 PM   
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...and Arnie gets the thread.

I am unfamiliar with the information that Arnie had at his disposal. But just the surface impressions make this one smell worse than Mumia's railroading in Pennsylvania. I don't trust Schwarzenegger to be thorough or honest in the first place, so I feel compelled to put my two cents in the hat.

To reverse a sentence for any capital crime would set a precedent for calling into question every death penalty judgment. Schwarzenegger doesn't have that kind of courage. It's really an all or nothing kind of decision. And deciding in favor of changing the sentence for Tookie would have flushed what was left of Dubya's credibility right down the lew. Where Dubya tried to flush Karla Faye Tucker.

I hate the death penalty. I think having a bureaucracy set up to administer it is tantamount to insanity. I wish Tookie didn't have to die, but would he have been as productive and constructive if the state did not have a gun pointed at his head?

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a little CATCH 22
Posted by: LouisFallert on Dec 13, 2005 8:49 AM   
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Arnold and many others believe that Stanley Williams deserved death because he refused to admit to the murders he was convicted of.
He did admit to and apologize for helping to found the Crips gang, being involved in fights and such, but always denied involvement in the murders he was convicted of.
I know that it is hard to concieve of, but what if the Los Angeles Police Department and the DAs case was built on inaccuracies. What if the all white jury convicted tookie because he had to be guilty of something. Hard to imagine, I know.
What if he didn't murder the four he was convicted of murdering? Should he have lied and said he was, in hope to save his life?

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My thoughts on Tookies death
Posted by: drthomson on Dec 13, 2005 4:29 PM   
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I found myself doing a lot of thinking yesterday as the last hours of Tookie Williams lifed played out in front of the world. I consider myself a progressive, and do not belive the death penalty to be just. Yet early yesterday morning, considering the gruesome style of execution that he used (this is of course considering that he commited these crimes, something we cannot prove defineitivley, and the reason i don't belive in cap. punishment in the first place) in the convience store hold-up, i could not find sympathy for him inside myself.
It makes sense though as i woke up the day after, i felt ashamed of myself for looking at the situation the way I did. As i realized that nothing had changed, the victims were still gone, and crime of this nature will continue. Reguardless of weither or not he was guilty we had not helped stop any violent crime or help any victims, we only took away a man. A man who made an example to thousands if not millions of young people in this country that live in poor neighborhoods, who everyday have to make a choice to stand up to the pressures of gang violence, or take the path of least resistance and embrace it.
Btw, why do i hear so many conservatives denouncing the "hollywood types" that spoke out in Tookies defense, yet prasing the "courageous" decision by Schwarzeneger, a man who was elected govenor on the novelty of his celebrity?

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If not guilty of this, then that
Posted by: jwg on Dec 13, 2005 4:32 PM   
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My dad used to say if you got busted by the cops, there were probably 10 more times that you did not. The man might have been innocent of the crimes he was convicted of, but how many crimes did the Crips commit following his orders. And how many crimes did he commit that he was not busted for.

Having said all that, there is no justice in this land for the poor, the black, the non-conformist.

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