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Will Racial Prejudice Send Old Democrats Running to McCain?

Posted by Matt Stoller, Open Left at 6:36 AM on March 14, 2008.


Obama's going to have to make up for his deficit by appealing to independents, which fortunately he is doing against both McCain and Clinton.

Here's the first bit of evidence I've seen on how race will matter from the primary to the general.

The vast majority of Democratic voters say they would support either Obama or Clinton over McCain. But in an Obama-McCain matchup, 14% of Democratic voters say they would support McCain, compared with 8% who would do so if Clinton is the nominee.
One-in-five white Democrats (20%) say that they will vote for McCain over Obama, double the percentage who say they would switch sides in a Clinton-McCain matchup (10%). Roughly the same number of Democrats age 65 and older say they will vote for McCain if Obama is the party's choice (22%). Obama also suffers more defections among lower income and less educated Democratic voters than does Clinton.

In addition, female Democrats look at the race differently depending on the matchup. While 93% of women in the party say they would vote for Clinton over McCain, just 79% say they would support Obama over McCain.
A quarter of Democrats (25%) who back Clinton for the nomination say they would favor McCain in a general election test against Obama. The "defection" rate among Obama's supporters if Clinton wins the nomination is far lower; just 10% say they would vote for McCain in November, while 86% say they would back Clinton.

While race is often considered the most important factor, I do not actually think that is the case here.  The most obvious parallel, where a sizeable chunk of Democrats chose to vote for an incredibly hawkish maverick style politician with an undeserved reputation for liberal politics, was the 2006 Lieberman-Lamont race.  I in fact said that the 2006 Senate race at the time was a test run for John McCain's campaign, and all campaign strategists working on the Presidential race noticed exactly what the limits were of the liberal coalition at that time.

In the primary, Lamont took 52% of the vote to Lieberman's 48%, but in the general Lieberman got 33% of the Democratic vote.  And the primary determinant of that chunk was age.  That is true right now as well.  And frankly, why shouldn't it be?  Old people get that that having an old President will mean that their views are better represented.  Young people believe that having a young President will mean that their views are better represented.  This isn't and shouldn't be a surprise.

As a progressive partisan, it's disappointing that so many older white people are willing to abandon the Democratic Party to send young people into wars just because they don't want a younger African-American male to run the country.  And indeed, if you look further at the poll, McCain picks up most of his 'McCain Democrats' among the 26% of the Democratic population who want to keep some troops in Iraq.  Most Clinton supporters aren't like that, only a quarter at this point are even considering voting for McCain, I have talked to a few, and the unspoken identity problems are both age and race.  

I saw this during the Lamont race, only very few people were actually on our side.  It was a scarring experience, and the youth surge had not yet happened the way that it is helping to offset the 65+ advantage for Clinton and McCain.  At any rate, Obama's going to have to make up for his deficit by appealing to independents, something which fortunately he is doing against both McCain and Clinton.

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Matt Stoller is a political activist/blogger in DC, and was an editor at MyDD from November 2005 until June 2007. He also consults for the Sunlight Foundation, FreePress.net, and Working Assets as well as proactively networking other progressive bloggers/internet activists and progressive professionals.


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Don't forget Lieberman was Obama's "Mentor"
Posted by: hotdog on Mar 14, 2008 6:50 AM   
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Striking that a piece that discusses Lieberman vs Lamont at such length would overlook Barack Obama's stumping for Lieberman that year. It is one of a number of blemishes on Obama's real record (as opposed to his "hopeful" rhetoric) that should give pause to progressive Democrats.

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» RE: Posted by: sui_generis
Don't you find it curious?
Posted by: mnascimento on Mar 14, 2008 7:51 AM   
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The 3 large 24/7 news channels are obsessing over 3 unlikely candidates while avoiding discussion of momentous news stories?

Deliberate distractions, from real news that would cause panic? Like the state of the economy? The alignment of the world against us?

What if these 3, an old white guy, a woman, a Black, have become prominent because the younger white guys who would normally be
seeking the highest office are busily abandoning a sinking ship?

Taking their ill gotten gains offshore? Seeking safety from the S#%T Clinton and Bush-Cheney wrought?

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diogenesredux
Posted by: diogenesredux on Mar 14, 2008 7:57 AM   
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Allow me to begin with a quote from this article:"it's disappointing that so many older white people are willing to abandon the Democratic Party to send young people into wars just because they don't want a younger African-American male to run the country. And indeed, if you look further at the poll, McCain picks up most of his 'McCain Democrats' among the 26% of the Democratic population who want to keep some troops in Iraq."

This is an absurd generality based on statistical cherry-picking.

I am a life-long female Democrat who is appalled by the unrelenting attacks on Hillary Clinton. If she's tough-she's a bitch. If she's emotive, responsive or sensitive, she's obviously too weak to be the Chief Executive. If she challenges Obama on any issue, she's being negative. If Obama responds with a negative retort, the poor little fella is just defending his beleaguered little self. (By the way, where the hell IS that halo?)

But now the far left has decided to attack those of us who might consider not voting for Obama if he is the Presidential nominee. Obviously, we must be either demented, too old and addled to make rational decisions , or better yet -we must be racists.

Perhaps we are just intelligent enough to ascertain the difference between voting for experience and judgment as opposed to rolling the political dice for a guy who has no real record by which he can be rationally judged. Hope ? Change? Anyone can repeat that meaningless mantra ad nauseum until hell freezes over.

As for the incredibly absurd remark that those who are skeptical about Obama's qualifications are clearly war-mongerng scoundrels who want to keep troops in Iraq. Wrong again. I and so many others like me (and we are Legion) want out boys out now if not sooner. But the pull-out must be executed intelligently-and that little trick requires experience and compromise . Yes, COMPROMISE, that evil concept that has been so repudiated by all far left wingnuts.

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» RE: diogenesredux Posted by: realist
OMG
Posted by: pitipua on Mar 14, 2008 9:59 AM   
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I've been saying for a while --and this story confirms it--Obama must run with Hillary in the 2008 ticket. It is too risky to let the information-deficient and the historically challenged out there decide this election. After years of Bush, Reaganomics and Barry Goldwater, the depth of the brainwashing is just unbelievable.

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» RE: OMG Posted by: sui_generis
Just maybe, the American public
Posted by: paula.c on Mar 14, 2008 10:16 AM   
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will get it straight by November 2009. Obama is a thoughtful, intelligent candidate for the Presidency. He doesn't need Clinton, and I hope even the Republicans will avoid voting for an angry, old, bitter McCain.

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I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S A RACIAL PROBLEM
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Mar 14, 2008 2:33 PM   
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The Democrats didn't wake up yesterday and realize that Obama isn't white! I really believe that this crap is being fed to the media and any Democrats who will listen by the Republicans who seem to have more control over the Democratic campaign that the Democrats do. This is a new development. However crazy it sounds, it smells Republican to me. And it won't end with this. McCain has no choice but to try to destroy the Dems. Thanks, ANNA

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Just because someone puts an article up on AlterNet
Posted by: Longdream on Mar 16, 2008 8:53 AM   
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doesn't mean we have to shut off our brains and allow him to engineer the discussion.

If anyone bothered to read the PEW Research statistics in the link we were given, a couple of things would stand out:

1. The statistics do not say anything particular about how race will play a factor in the general election, simply that certain groups were polled, and these were the results.

2. We are asked to base our discussion on one set of statistics only. We can re-frame the statement like this: When White Democrats were asked if they would vote for McCain over Obama, 20% of them said yes. When White Democrats were asked if they would vote for McCain over Clinton, 10% of them said yes.

What broad conclusions would you like to draw about Clinton's or Obama's electability based on those particular numbers? Why were only White Democrats asked this question? Do you think the Democratic statistic would change if they had asked Democratic voters of all races? How?

Go and read some more:

Obama's Appeal to Independents

{Nobody said anything about the race of the people asked, just their socio-economic status}

Obama has much greater personal appeal to independent voters than does either McCain or Clinton. Fully 63% of independents rate Obama favorably, nearly twice the percentage expressing an unfavorable view of him (32%). The balance of opinion toward McCain also is favorable, but by a much slimmer 51% to 38% margin. The share of independents with an unfavorable view of Clinton is substantially higher (50%), while just 45% view her favorably.

In a general election test against McCain, Obama runs slightly better than Clinton among most subgroups of independent voters. But he shows particular strength among younger and well-educated independents. Obama leads McCain by 21 points among independents under age 50 (58% to 37%); these same younger independents split their vote almost evenly in a race between Clinton and McCain (49% vs. 46%).

In addition, Obama holds a slight 49% to 44% edge among independent college graduates by five points. Clinton trails McCain among this group by 13 points (41% to 54%).

Obama also holds a 20 point lead over McCain among female independent voters (57% to 37%). Clinton's edge over McCain among independent women is just three points (50% to 47%).

The poll for the general election shows them both defeating McCain--Obama 50-43, Clinton 50-45.

So, before you get your knickers in a twist over some journalist's construct of an issue, check whether it's worth it.

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My 90 year old Dem mother says she will not vote
Posted by: Ellie1 on Mar 16, 2008 3:38 PM   
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because she wants Hillary or nobody. I could not convince her to vote for Obama. I think older folks have racial prejudices buried deep in their psyches. She also lives in friggin Florida (God's waiting room), and we all know how LIBERAL they are in that state (land of the hanging chads who brought you George W. Bush).

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