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McCain: 'In The 21st Century Nations Don't Invade Other Nations'

Posted by Sam Stein, Huffington Post at 5:01 PM on August 13, 2008.


Uh ... then what did we do in Iraq and Afghanistan Senator?

Speaking to reporters about the situation in Georgia, Sen. John McCain denounced the aggressive posture of Russia by claiming that: "in the 21st century nations don't invade other nations."

It was the type of foreign policy rhetorical blunder that has regularly plagued the McCain campaign and could have diplomatic ripples as well. Certainly the comment was meant in innocence. But for those predisposed to the notion that the U.S. is an increasingly arrogant international actor, the suggestion by a presidential candidate that, in this day and age, countries don't invade one another -- when the U.S. is occupying two foreign nations -- does little to alleviate that negative perception.

There is another, less controversial undertone to McCain's remark. Since the Georgia-Russia hostilities have commenced, parallels have been drawn to U.S. intervention in Iraq. The two scenarios are highly different in all intents and purposes, both due to regional significance and the longstanding territorial disputes. But some still would dispute the idea, as McCain seemed to imply, that America's involvement in Iraq is any less an invasion than Russia's involvement in Georgia.

Later in his press conference, McCain was asked to address how the Georgian crisis -- which has ceded to a tenuous ceasefire -- was amplified on the campaign trail. The presumptive Republican nominee demurred from attempts to get him to engage with Barack Obama.

"This isn't a time for partisanship and sniping between campaigns," he said. "This is about hundreds of thousand of individuals whose lives are being taken... Maybe later on in the campaign let's have a back and forth about whose comments and statements... but now lets devote all our efforts to resolving a situation that is fraught with tragedy."

A subsequent questioner asked McCain whether this non-partisan window applied to Sen. Joseph Lieberman as well, who, at a townhall on Tuesday, suggested that Barack Obama had not always "put his country first." McCain's answer was classically evasive.

"Let me respond by just saying that I think that whatever we think at the moment that we can all reserve that for a future time. And I think that judgments will be made about how we handled this situation and approached the situation in Iraq and how much experience knowledge and background means in selecting who should be the next commander in chief, all I can say is there will be plenty of time for that and we can move forward. "

Digg!

Sam Stein is a Political Reporter at the Huffington Post, based in Washington, D.C.


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What a terribly tragic and delusional
Posted by: weathered on Aug 13, 2008 5:10 PM   
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fiqure.

John McCain suffers from a soul sickness that is incapable of responding to treatment.

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what a peace loving man
Posted by: aalif ba ta tha on Aug 13, 2008 5:22 PM   
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Orwell is rolling over in his grave

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maybe mccain...
Posted by: undrgrndgirl on Aug 13, 2008 5:23 PM   
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doesn't realize we are IN the 21st century!

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» OMG! That is FUNNY! Posted by: foreverhope
» Hysterical Posted by: 2scidrks
I'm Confused
Posted by: no1kstate on Aug 13, 2008 7:48 PM   
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What's the difference between what the US is doing and what Russia's doing. Invasion isn't as invasion does?

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» they're a nation - we're an empire Posted by: hurricane hugo
» Exactly! Posted by: MamaPantz
Today we are all Americans
Posted by: foreverhope on Aug 13, 2008 8:51 PM   
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Using 9/11 he changed it to "today we are all Georgians", hamming it up, to make a soundbite. Fucking prick.

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» RE: Today we are all Americans Posted by: LionHeart
Alzheimer's..
Posted by: TJColatrella on Aug 13, 2008 11:15 PM   
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McCain is showing us repeatedly that he suffers from the really onset of Alzheimer's disease..

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» RE: Alzheimer's.. Posted by: Lauren
he flubbed the line he was *supposed* to say
Posted by: Dboy on Aug 14, 2008 3:15 AM   
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As Jon Stewart pointed out, the correct war-monger talking point is "countries don't invade other countries....in Europe".

dboy

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It's 3AM and the phone rings
Posted by: LionHeart on Aug 14, 2008 4:42 AM   
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McCain probably wont be able to find it, Obama would be afraid to answer it and Bush probably tossed it out the window - do we have anyone that can handle this without dragging us into another war?

It's a bit hard for America at this time to come out against Russia's incursion into Georgia while we sit in Iraq.

Whats worse is we have some advisors/troops in Georgia - is Bush REALLY that crazy? Taking the chance of this blowing up fromm a small regional confrontation into something much larger!

Ron Paul non interventionism isn't looking too bad right now!

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» Yes, Bush wants this to blow up Posted by: QQOblivion
» RE: Yes, Bush wants this to blow up Posted by: progressive-life
What is really scary...
Posted by: djnoll on Aug 14, 2008 10:40 AM   
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McCain was quoting directly from comments made by Bush just 24 hours earlier! This man is incapable of coherent, independent thought. If someone else says it, especially Bush, then he just parrots it. I can see it now: He gets elected (God help us!); has a mild stroke; so Bush declares that the election was invalid because of the mental incapacity of the elected President; and instead of allowing the VP candidate to assume the Presidency since he was also elected, Bush declares himself as President again, pending new elections (which of course never happen). Advanced election theft 401 and Dictatorship 101.

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» RE: What is really scary... Posted by: Malamute
mswof
Posted by: on Aug 14, 2008 10:48 AM   
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It IS "tragic," but it's also a Warning & we should ALL heed it. I do not, cannot believe that McCain's latest comment re Russia, et al., was spoken or meant in innocence.
It was spoken as a moron speaks, all sund & fury & signifying the man needs help, not the White House! The man is NOT bright, OR up-to-speed ... he simply doesn't "get it." Geo. Bush w/jowls. Sorry, but I am finding McC to be quite scary, dangerous, bad-tempered & dazed. I see him & I see witches & cauldrons & dark chantings. Yeck.

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McCain doesn't seem to be the only one.
Posted by: Eddy on Aug 14, 2008 11:51 AM   
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Other Republicans fail to see any similarity between Russian intervention in Georgia and the US intervention in Iraq. Perhaps the fact that it has the same name as an American state offends their sensibilities. Of course- there are a couple of major differences: Georgia, due to its proximity offers a much more credible threat to Russia than Iraq ever did to the US and the Russians are now withdrawing promptly. I get the feeling that the GOP knows it's on its way out of power and is stirring things up for the Democrats by antagonising one of the world's leading oil producers during an energy crisis (actually three if Iran and Venezuela are included) as well as a potential ally who could prove useful in negotiating with Iran and a UN Permanent Security Council member who's support they will need to legitimise any future action against Iran. Overall their reaction to recent events would seem to be one of blatant and wilful ignorance, pure malevolence towards the presumed incoming administration or maybe they just haven't been able to throw off the Cold War mentality and feel threatened by a resurgent Russia which they thought had been soundly defeated for a very long time. Russia has been getting very rich very quickly on the back of an Energy Crisis created by actions increasing instability in the Middle East, so if Bush, Cheney and McCain are looking for someone to blame for this state of affairs, then they should really start with themselves.

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Stuck in "head shake mode."
Posted by: That_SOB on Aug 14, 2008 1:51 PM   
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Lets go back just 10 days and ask where were Georgian planes,tanks,helicopters,guns and troops? ( Note: These weapons came from NATO, Israel and the US.)
They were bombing the hell out of hospitals, universities,and civilian targets in Ossetia.
Why ? --- oil of course. That the Israeli's want a pipeline that doesn't cross Russian soil as it rambles from the Caspian through Turkey to Western Israeli ports, and that the US will surround Iran on another side, and get some cut in this oil business, is worthy of notice.
If only these global oil basturds would exert the money and effort into alternate power sources, we wouldn't be headed back into a Cuban Missile Crisis II.
Think not ?
This UP release is from Aug 14th 08.
"Georgia's attempt to reclaim South Ossetia has been compared with 9/11 by Sergei Ivanov, the Russian Deputy Prime Minister."

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Compared with 9/11 by Sergei Ivanov Russian P.M.
Posted by: That_SOB on Aug 14, 2008 1:54 PM   
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Lets go back just 10 days and ask where were Georgian planes,tanks,helicopters,guns and troops? ( Note: These weapons came from NATO, Israel and the US.)
They were bombing the hell out hospitals, universities, and civilian targets in S. Ossetia.
Why ? --- oil of course. That the Israeli's want a pipeline that doesn't cross Russian soil as it rambles from the Caspian through Turkey to Western Israeli ports, and that the US surrounds Iran on another side, plus gets some cut in this oil business, is worthy of notice.
If only these global oil basturds would exert the money and effort into alternate power sources, we wouldn't be headed back into a Cuban Missile Crisis II.
Think not ?
This UP release is from Aug 14th 08
"Georgia's attempt to reclaim South Ossetia has been compared with 9/11 by Sergei Ivanov, the Russian Deputy Prime Minister."

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Compared with 9/11 by Sergei Ivanov Russian P.M.
Posted by: That_SOB on Aug 14, 2008 1:54 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Lets go back just 10 days and ask where were Georgian planes,tanks,helicopters,guns and troops? ( Note: These weapons came from NATO, Israel and the US.)
They were bombing the hell out hospitals, universities, and civilian targets in S. Ossetia.
Why ? --- oil of course. That the Israeli's want a pipeline that doesn't cross Russian soil as it rambles from the Caspian through Turkey to Western Israeli ports, and that the US surrounds Iran on another side, plus gets some cut in this oil business, is worthy of notice.
If only these global oil basturds would exert the money and effort into alternate power sources, we wouldn't be headed back into a Cuban Missile Crisis II.
Think not ?
This UP release is from Aug 14th 08
"Georgia's attempt to reclaim South Ossetia has been compared with 9/11 by Sergei Ivanov, the Russian Deputy Prime Minister."

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Compared with 9/11 by Sergei Ivanov,Russian P.M.
Posted by: That_SOB on Aug 14, 2008 1:59 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Lets go back just 10 days and ask where were Georgian planes,tanks,helicopters,guns and troops? ( Note: These weapons came from NATO, Israel and the US.)
They were bombing the hell out hospitals, universities, and civilian targets in S. Ossetia.
Why ? --- oil of course. That the Israeli's want a pipeline that doesn't cross Russian soil as it rambles from the Caspian through Turkey to Western Israeli ports, and that the US surrounds Iran on another side, plus gets some cut in this oil business, is worthy of notice.
If only these global oil basturds would exert the money and effort into alternate power sources, we wouldn't be headed back into a Cuban Missile Crisis II.
Think not ?
This UP release is from Aug 14th 08
"Georgia's attempt to reclaim South Ossetia has been compared with 9/11 by Sergei Ivanov, the Russian Deputy Prime Minister."

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Russia compares attack by Georgia to 9/11
Posted by: That_SOB on Aug 14, 2008 2:04 PM   
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Lets go back just 10 days and ask where were Georgian planes,tanks,helicopters,guns and troops? ( Note: These weapons came from NATO, Israel and the US.)
They were bombing the hell out hospitals, universities, and civilian targets in S. Ossetia.
Why ? --- oil of course. That the Israeli's want a pipeline that doesn't cross Russian soil as it rambles from the Caspian through Turkey to Western Israeli ports, and that the US surrounds Iran on another side, plus gets some cut in this oil business, is worthy of notice.
If only these global oil basturds would exert the money and effort into alternate power sources, we wouldn't be headed back into a Cuban Missile Crisis II.
Think not ?
In a UP release from Aug 14th 08 the Russian Deputy Prime Minister compared the attack by Georgia on Osstia to 9/11.

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McPain
Posted by: wagnerrocks@gmail.com on Aug 15, 2008 10:09 AM   
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Anyone who votes for this doddering old ignoramous, is by definition an insane, anti peace(Pro War) asshole and should be marked with a bright red X on his forehead for perpetual identification as a traitor to the America that has already been stolen and/or destroyed by the GWB wrecking crew. Radical thought? yes...but perfectly fair in today's world. McPain, McShame, McLame, McStain. All appropriate monikers for the "HERO" in the race.

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