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John McCain Outlines Crackpot Scheme to Cut the Deficit

Posted by Sam Stein, Huffington Post at 3:51 PM on July 7, 2008.


...by winning the Iraq war.

On Monday, John McCain released the outlines of his economic agenda, promising to balance the federal budget by the end of his first term by saving money from achieving victory in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"Since all their costs were financed with deficit spending, all their savings must go to deficit reduction," McCain's memo read.

But if the goal is to reduce deficit by cutting down on foreign expenditures, the question should be raised: whose Iraq plan -- McCain's or Barack Obama's -- would do more?

Estimating costs for troop withdrawal, long-term occupations, and even current operations, is a tricky business, made more complicated by the difficulties in pinpointing exactly what each candidate is seeking to do with U.S. troops once he enters office.

But the Congressional Budget Office has put out several possible templates for an American presence in Iraq and Afghanistan that offer an approximation of the costs of Obama and McCain's policies. Should the candidates follow through with their proposals, taxpayers would be spending, perhaps, tens-of-billions (if not hundreds-of-billions) more under McCain. The Arizona Republican argues that this is a price worth paying. But it is still worthwhile noting just how much more his Iraq policy would contribute to the deficit.

If the number of troops in both Iraq and Afghanistan were reduced to 30,000 by 2010, the United States would spend an estimated $570 billion between 2008 and 2017, according to an October 2007 COB report. Under this scenario, the number of personnel deployed in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere would start at 200,000 in fiscal year 2008, "decline to approximately 100,000 personnel, on average, in 2009, and then reach 30,000 at the beginning of fiscal year 2010."

That timeline, however, could represent a quicker reduction than even Obama has pledged. While the Senator has stuck to the promise of removing one-to-two combat brigades a month from Iraq over the course of 16 months, his advisers say he is open to the idea (perhaps committed) of sending additional forces into Afghanistan. Should that be the case - and keeping in mind that Obama will leave a residual force in Iraq - an estimated troop reduction to 75,000 by 2013 seems more likely. Under that scenario, the United States would spend slightly more than $1 trillion from 2008 through 2017. For the sake of context: the cost of the wars between 2001 and 2007 has been more than $600 billion.

McCain has pledged that the war in Iraq will be won by 2013. But he has also said that he would keep troops in the country for "100 years" (or some extended length of time) provided that the level of violence were minimal. That policy would cost a pretty penny for taxpayers.

In a letter sent to Sen. Ken Conrad in September 2007, the CBO estimated that keeping approximately 55,000 military personnel in Iraq, under the assumption that they would operate at the "same pace and conduct the same types of missions as the forces currently deployed there," would have a $4 billion to $8 billion one-time cost and a price of $25 billion annually. This is an estimate of just the military operations, and would come on top of the $1-trillion-or-so cost of troop reductions as detailed by the previous CBO estimates.

Under a "non-combat" scenario, a la America's current presence in South Korea (which McCain has referenced as a template for what he would do in Iraq), costs of a long-term presence in Iraq would be approximately $8 billion at once, and $10 billion annually.

In a statement to Talking Points Memo, McCain campaign spokesman Brian Rogers tried to clarify the Senator's claim that the United States could reduce its deficit by winning the war.

"It's pretty straightforward," he wrote. "As we win, costs will go down with a smaller footprint over time, and those savings will go to deficit reduction. It's really the logical extension of Senator McCain's position as articulated in the 2013 speech. Achieving success in Iraq would obviously lead to reduced expenditures on the effort."

But cost estimates suggest that if reducing America's deficit is the goal, a long term military presence in Iraq is not the best mechanism for getting there.

That said, there are a variety of unknowns when it comes to estimating the costs of war policy. For example, how much money would it take for an Obama administration to send troops to Afghanistan? What would happen if, after withdrawal, troops needed to be brought back into Iraq (would they have to fight to regain bases)? How much will medical costs end up being for returning soldiers? What are the costs of a disorderly withdrawal? And how long, exactly, will McCain's vision of a long-term presence in the region last?

"Look at the initial estimates offered by Mitch Daniels [Director of the White House Budget] for the war in 2002," remarked Brian Katulis, a foreign policy specialist for the Center for American Progress. "He was saying the war would cost somewhere between $50 billion and $60 billion. How accurate did that turn out?"

But there are certain cost predictions that analysts can make with greater certainty. One is that transporting troops, whether to a different country or back home, is generally the same (roughly $4 billion to $5 billion). The other is that drawing down troops is more cost effective then keeping them in Iraq.

"The pace of the drawdown matters a lot," said one analyst who has studied the issue extensively. "The faster it is the more you save. The less combat operations costs you will have, the few combat payments you will have to make, the less expensive it will be to operate and repair equipment. You will consolidate bases. And the transportation costs will be the same.... It is a linear cost reduction. As you take people out you save money."

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McCain; proof positive that age doesn't foster wisdom
Posted by: realveive on Jul 7, 2008 4:58 PM   
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First the Iraq "War" isn't a war. It's a kettle we set to boilin' by invading the place. Sadaam might have not been the sweetest dictator on the planet but the fuss in Iraq was low level and we weren't spending 12 billion a month to keep it there. Also, as I recall, gas was a whole lot less than the approaching $5.00 a gallon stuff we're buying today.

The terrorists may represent some level of threat but the idiots piloting our ship of state are much worse. SecState Rice said she didn't want to see us get hit with a mushroom cloud. One mushroom cloud over the White House before the Iraq boondoggle would have provided a net savings in lives and a whole lotta money. Of course, we'd have wanted a few of the good guys to be away in their home territories when that cloud was formed. Ideally, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, etal, would be meeting in the Oval Office at detonation time. Things never seem to work out like they're supposed to.

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Preposterous
Posted by: AlexLawyer on Jul 7, 2008 10:14 PM   
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Presumably military victory, which has heretofore eluded us despite racking up bills of over 2 trillion dollars, is going to be accomplished on the double on on the cheap under a president who graduated near the bottom of his Naval Academy class and who has no experience as a combat commanding officer.

The massive, bloated Pentagon non-war-related budget isn't subject to cuts, nor are popular entitlement and social programs. Bush's regressive tax cuts won't be changed. This is a proposition that only an innumerate, semi-literate candidate could offer, and only similarly intellectually challenged voters could believe.

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Mr. McCain, is there anything straight foward from him?
Posted by: Turiye on Jul 8, 2008 8:12 AM   
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I was watching something before I got to Cspan and it was his Mom. The ol'bird, her I like, her son, I'm just sayin'.

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then who's Mini-me?
Posted by: Quasar on Jul 8, 2008 8:25 AM   
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Is it me or does McCain's new campaign guru, Steve Schmidt, look like Dr. Evil? Or is it just his knack for Dr. Evil-like pathological pronouncements? And if I'm right, then who is playing Mini-me?

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So John,...
Posted by: chuckjs on Jul 8, 2008 8:42 AM   
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Yer sayin' yer gonna end both the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts in far less than 4 years. And with the "savings" from doing this you will balance the books all while lowering taxes "Where you can..." like the gas tax holiday.

Sometimes I have too much fun listening to Bellevue patients trying to talk sense!

How about an article on Obama's economic plan as well? It didn't sound much better, just less outrageous!

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First of all...
Posted by: Quannah on Jul 8, 2008 9:11 AM   
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I love the picture! It pretty much sums up John McCain, doesn't it?

Second, how can anyone take this man seriously and actually cast a vote for him for president? He has no policies. He has fairy tales.

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I am really confused
Posted by: chaoslegs on Jul 8, 2008 9:48 AM   
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From the blog we have:

"It's pretty straightforward," he wrote. "As we win, costs will go down with a smaller footprint over time, and those savings will go to deficit reduction. It's really the logical extension of Senator McCain's position as articulated in the 2013 speech. Achieving success in Iraq would obviously lead to reduced expenditures on the effort."

If we are running a yearly deficit before the supplemental appropriations for the war costs in Afghanistan and Iraq, what extra money is there to that will be reducing the deficit in the rest of the budget.

This makes no sense at all. 1st graders can figure out this doesn't add up.

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Not now, not ever
Posted by: justgreenleaf on Jul 8, 2008 10:58 AM   
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Iraq and the Iraqi people are not now, nor have they ever been worth Americans fighting and dying for. Nothing personal against them, but I can't seem to find a great deal of concern over whether they have a democracy or not.
But then, of course,it's not about democracy, whatever Mr. Bush may say. It's always been about oil, oil companies, and huge profits.

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Next
Posted by: indepentent on Jul 8, 2008 11:59 AM   
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McCain will be offering a Ponzi scheme to balance the budget.

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Yada, yada, yada, yada - just bring them all home as soon as safely possible.
Posted by: thekidde on Jul 8, 2008 12:51 PM   
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And don't leave any there but the Marines guarding the embassy. Give the Marine guards the means to blow the shit out of Baghdad if any of the Islamic nutcases get a bug up their ass. Give the Iraqis back ALL of their oil to do with as they please. Get ALL mercenaries out of Iraq (and into jail, if possible). This is a start. Oh, and let Islamic, Christian, Jewish militants know that if they fuck with anyone, anywhere, their "legitimate" mouthpieces in any country, including the US Lieberman, will be shot. Of, by and for the people around the globe - now.

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Republican Code Words
Posted by: FoonTheElder on Jul 9, 2008 11:17 AM   
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'Balancing the Budget' is a Republican code word for cutting social programs in the name of balancing the budget. At the same time they continuing to increase their sacred military expenditures.

It is political propaganda so they can blabber that "We are being responsible" at the same time they are busting the budget with corporate welfare.

George Bush has been doing this for years. Every social program that he opposes is to 'cut the budget deficit'. He fails to mention that he is totally responsible for the deficit in the first place.

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