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Noam Chomsky on Iran and Palestine [VIDEO]

Posted by Manila Ryce, The Largest Minority at 12:30 PM on November 23, 2007.


Chomsky talks with the Real News about the lack of justification for military action against Iran regarding their nuclear program and the accusation that they're fueling the Iraqi insurgency.
Noam Chomsky on Iran and Palestine

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This post, written by Manila Ryce, originally appeared on The Largest Minority

There's been a drought of Noam Chomsky posts lately and I intend to rectify that with this post. In the above video, Noam talks with the Real News about the lack of justification for military action against Iran regarding their nuclear program and the accusation that they're fueling the Iraqi insurgency. Professor Chomsky cuts through the crap in a way no one else can.

In the excerpt I've posted below, Chomsky weighs in on the Annapolis Israeli/Palestinian negotiations which no one is really taking seriously. Perhaps if the legitimate Hamas government were invited to the "peace talks", progress could actually be made.

THE crimes against Palestinians in the occupied territories and elsewhere, particularly since the Palestinians voted "the wrong way" in the Hamas victory last year, are so shocking that the only emotionally valid reaction is rage and a call for extreme actions. But that does not help the victims, and is likely to harm them.
Our actions have to be adapted to real-world circumstances, difficult as it may be to stay calm in the face of shameful crimes, in which we in the United States are directly and crucially implicated.
We are approaching President Bush's Annapolis conference on Israel-Palestine, the administration's first potentially serious diplomatic initiative in that conflict.
Ideally, the Annapolis negotiations should begin at the point that had been reached in Taba, Egypt, in January 2001. That week was the one moment in 30 years when the United States and Israel abandoned the rejectionist stance that they have maintained in virtual isolation until the present. And Taba came heartbreakingly close to a possible two-state settlement, with a reasonable land-swap. The conventional fabrication is that at Taba the Palestinians rejected Israel's generous offer. In fact, the conference was terminated abruptly by Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, at a moment when negotiators reported that they were close to agreement...
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I basically agree with Chomsky but I'm sure Hamas is losing popularity and were only a protest vote
Posted by: yellow on Nov 23, 2007 3:32 PM   
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The Palestinian vote for Hamas was a protest vote and an expression of disgust with Fatah's corruption, incompetence and repression. The Hamas weapons smuggling operation through Rafah last summer lead to a huge battle with Israel which otherwise probably would never have occurred. This brought the Lebanese Hezbullah in on the side of Hamas and a month long war resulted killing over a thousand Lebanese and creating about one million refugees accounting for 25% of the total Lebanese population. Hamas's purpose was not merely to fight the Israeli occupation but to fight for military control of Palestine against Fatah. The important thing is that Hamas mistakenly took their electoral victory as a mandate for a military uprising against everything they regarded as a product of the OSLO ACCORDS including the infrastructure and organization of Fatah.

This was a huge mistake as the recent pro-Fatah rallies have shown. Hamas has alienated the vast majority of Gazan Palestinians with massive arrests and killings of pro-Fatah militants. The half year long take over of Gaza has lead to a depression of economic activity and trade which previously sustained the area. Gaza is the site of the one of the largest industrial estates which employs thousands of manufacturing workers who labor making consumer goods for export. Factories that once employed hundreds of thousands now stand idle. There is massive unemployment. About 75% of the Palestinian population of Gaza is below the poverty line and relies on charity to survive according to Palestinian officials. The Israeli closure was a direct response to Hamas's violent takeover.

Hamas is a violent and fanatical group. They cannot establish a sustainable and effective government. No theocracy can including ours and they all must be extruded. It's time for the return of Fatah and peace negotiations. The Israeli people want it, the Americans want it and now the Palestinians of Gaza clearly want it.

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Chomsky's Gift
Posted by: Earthian on Nov 24, 2007 6:19 AM   
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So typical of Noam Chomsky, he penetrates the propaganda to the core. I especially liked the statement on the video about the underlying media discussion of the "Iran nuclear program" and Iran's role (if they have one) in supporting the resistance in Iraq, is that the US owns the world. Bravo to him and the superb interviewer.

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hey...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Nov 24, 2007 7:48 AM   
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Maybe Chomsky can tell us again how the idea that 9-11 was orchestrated by the government, if true, "doesn't matter".

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» RE: hey... Posted by: willymack
The Truth
Posted by: modeler on Nov 24, 2007 8:08 AM   
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Chomsky is right on. The freedom loving democracy called United States replaced a democratic government in Iran with the Shah because Mossadec had the gall to nationalize Irans oil production. Money ruled and when the Iranians sent the Shah packing, they at the same time incurred the wrath of the great "Democracy". A dictator named Saddam Hussein became a friend of the US while attacking Iran. When the Russian occupied Afghanistan the US supported "freedom fighters" like Osama bin Laden in their fight against the USSR. How things change. It seems the truth takes second place in the politics of the Bush asdminstration. Lies took first place. I think it is time to return to the TRUTH.

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» RE: The Truth Posted by: Doubtom
You go, CHOMSKY!
Posted by: AlohaTerry on Nov 24, 2007 9:48 AM   
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The Ol Sage is back! Once he and Bill Maher acknowledge 9-11 as an Inside Job, they will zoom back into my top 5 with Kuchnick, Jon Stewart, Colbert, Alex Jones, and Kieth Oberlman!

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» RE: You go, CHOMSKY! Posted by: Doubtom
Ideally ....
Posted by: pierrot on Dec 2, 2007 10:03 AM   
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Ideally peace talks should only beginn AFTER israel has returned UNCONDITIONALLY all the illegal, criminal settlements which it has built over the last 40 years in flagrant violation of the Genva Convention (and in violation of its own laws! but secretly financed by government ...).

These civil(!) settlements are state-terrorism at its worst - their ultimate aim is the deportation of all the millions of palestinians from their ancestral land - Hitler greets you.

How can there ever be peace as long as there is a single of these criminal settlements which have to be protected by the military? In other words, how can the military ever leave after a hypothetical peace agreement has been reached as long as there are criminal, illegal settlements they have to protect.

It's this vicious circle which has to be broken first by removing the crininal settlements. IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT!!

The UN has to order Israel to abandon these settlements, or else impose economical sanction the way it did (rather unjustified) with Irak. And if that doesn't help take military action.

Only then can peace talks begin, centering on the final borders (ca. 67 which is ok for everybody), recognition of the state of Israel, refugees, compensation for 40 years of israeli state-terrorism and massive human rights violations.

That will take some time but is possible - but first the criminal settlements have to go, unconditionally - you dont deal over stolen property, even less while beeing black-mailed by the thief.

It's like beating a child and asking it to stop crying before you stop beating it ... especially if you beat it without any reason ...

Long live Jimmy Carter

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