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Clinton Camp: “There Are No Rules”

Posted by Steven Rosenfeld, AlterNet at 9:14 AM on May 7, 2008.


Clinton top advisors say the fight goes past the primaries while the Obama camp claims the momentum.

Anyone who thought Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) might reconsider her presidential bid after her big loss in North Carolina and narrow victory in Indiana on Tuesday are mistaken.

In fact, in a conference call with the national media on Wednesday morning, the campaign’s top strategist, Geoff Garin, and top spokesman, Howard Wolfson, said the fight would almost surely last past the final primaries and be taken up by the Democratic National Committee’s standing committees, starting with the Rules and Bylaws Committee on May 31.

“There really are no rules,” Garin said, when asked about the seating of delegates from Michigan and Florida – two states stripped of delegates for holding early primaries – and about any scenario where the campaign is behind in the delegate count won in the primaries and caucuses, or the popular vote total. “You make a conscious decision of what is in the interest of the country.”

“The DNC will engage in an adjudicary process to seat the delegates,” Wolfson said, referring to the DNC’s Rules and Bylaws Committee (RBC), and then the Credentials Committee, which under the DNC rules hears appeals of RBC decisions.

Wolfson also said the number of delegates needed to win the nomination was not 2,025, as both the Clinton camp and campaign of Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) have said in previous conference calls with the media earlier in 2008.

“That is not the operative number,” Wolfson said. “The number is 2,209.”

The campaign advisers also said that their candidate was continuing to win among “white blue-collar and working-class voters” and that demographic, more so than the votes of African-Americans or younger, first-time voters, would be the key swing vote in a fall contest with Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), the Republican nominee.

“Senator Obama has not proven he can win big swing states,” Wolfson said, citing Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Florida. “He has not proven he can win the blue-collar vote.”

Wolfson said that summation was “the crux” of her argument to super-delegates - the elected officials and party leaders who comprise 20 percent of the convention delegates. Either candidate must also win a majority of super-delegates to secure the nomination.

When asked by reporters if the Clinton campaign was willing to fracture the party’s historic coalitions, namely the African-American and youth vote, to win – or as one reporter put it, “to destroy the village to save the village,” Garin firmly said no.

“I reject that analogy as out of hand,” he said.

Wolfson said either candidate would have to work hard to convince their supporters to back their opponent, should that candidate secure the nomination.

The campaign aides also said that if Florida and Michigan were seated as full delegations, Clinton would only net a gain of 58 delegates.

The advisors also said that their candidate had loaned a total of $11,425,000 to her campaign.

OBAMA CAMP: WE HAVE THE MOMENTUM

The Obama Campaign View

In its conference call with the media on Wednesday morning, the campaign manager and key supporters of Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) said their candidate now has the biggest delegate lead of the entire campaign and predicted that he would be the party’s 2008 presidential nominee.

Campaign Manager David Plouffe said Obama was now ahead of Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) by 172 delegates and predicted Obama would win the majority of pledged delegates on May 20th, when Kentucky and Oregon hold their primaries. West Virginia’s primary is next week.

“We can see the finish line here,” he said.

Plouffe said Obama picked up 17 more delegates than Clinton in North Carolina, while she won four more delegates than him in Indiana. In the meantime, Plouffe said that Obama was winning commitments from super-delegates by a “two-to-one” margin in recent weeks, even as the campaign has weathered controversy from remarks by Obama’s former pastor.

Sen. John Kerry (D-MA), also on the call, said Obama took a “giant and decisive stride” to winning the nomination on Tuesday.

“He beat every poll and every expectation,” Kerry said, noting that Obama would have won in Indiana were it not for Republicans who mischievously voted in the Democratic primary at the urging of conservative talk-radio host Rush Limbaugh.

“Rush Limbaugh is tampering with the process and the GOP has clearly defined that they want Hillary Clinton as the nominee,” Kerry said.

The Obama campaign said late Tuesday that they believed 7 percent of Clinton’s vote came from Republican crossover voters.

Arizona Gov. Janet Nepolitano said it was now time for the party’s super-delegates, its elected officials and leaders who comprise 20 percent of the total delegates, “to bring this process to a closer” by declaring their support for either Obama or Clinton.

But Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-MO) said it was not appropriate for anyone to tell Clinton when to end her campaign.

“There is sincere respect for Hillary Clinton within this campaign,” she said. “Barack Obama doesn’t just say those words. He means it. It would be awkward and wrong for any of us to tell her the race is over.”

Should Obama win the nomination, McCaskill said, “We are confident she (Clinton) will work hard to unify the party.”

Plouffe also said the Clinton campaign cannot unilaterally change the number of delegates needed to win the nomination, which is now 2,025. In its earlier conference call Wednesday, Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson said that number was now 2,209 – which implied that both the Michigan and Florida delegations would be seated in full.

“The number is 2,025,” Plouffe said. “That is not our number. That is the DNC number. That is an attempt to write a new metric.”

Plouffe said the DNC’s Rules and Bylaws Committee would take up the question of seating the Florida and Michigan delegations, because that panel stripped both states of their delegates after they held unauthorized early primaries. He said the Clinton campaign, not Obama, has been opposed to any settlement that did not include a full seating of those states delegates. But, he also said that the Clinton campaign all-but acknowledged in its remarks Wednesday morning that even a full seating of those delegates would not put their candidate ahead.

Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson said seating both those states would only net Clinton 58 additional delegates.

“All we can say is we believe we will be the nominee of this party,” Plouffe said.

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Neat and tidy boxes
Posted by: k_pr on May 7, 2008 9:34 AM   
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It's telling about the racial climate in this country when African Americans are not considered blue-collar or working-class.

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It is going to be REALLY hard to vote for Hillary in November
Posted by: QQOblivion on May 7, 2008 9:47 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
THAT"S how to beat John McCain. Steal the nomination. That won't make anyone mad at all, or anything....

If Clinton tries to pull some dirty tricks and succeeds, I urge all angry Democrats to immediately switch to being Independents before the general election.
Sure, you may feel you HAVE to vote for Shrillary anyway (even though you don't WANT to). But let the Democratic insiders and power-brokers know, or at least think, that you are not buying their bullshit.
Lie to all pollsters, and tell them you are voting for McCain because at least he won his party's nomination fair and square.

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It is Hillary's Theory of the Unitary Candidate
Posted by: Rune on May 7, 2008 9:55 AM   
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It fits quite nicely alongside the Theory of the Unitary Executive she clearly hopes to inherit from George Bush. There are no rules because she sees herself as being privileged with the power to change to rules after the fact to accommodate whatever she wants to do to exert power without any messy meddling from something vaguely resembling democracy.

I think she has got a point. If you are going to be top dog in a corrupt party that sells out to corporate fascism at every turn while posing as the loyal opposition to such dark forces, you should at least have the nerve and determination to do what you want without letting some silly rules or the will of the people get in the way. If she can make that look like a plausible way to serve the people -- such as portraying pity for the people of Florida, where she campaigned in breach of her agreement not to -- I think she richly deserves to lead and symbolize the modern Democratic party.

All hail the new Decider!

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Clinton needs to stay in to retire her campaign debt; she knows she can't win
Posted by: hound dog on May 7, 2008 9:58 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
If Clinton managed to steal the nomination via superdelegate upheaval, then Obama should simply run as an independent, and would handily beat both Clinton and McSame.

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» RE: I support Obama, but Posted by: UnEasyOne
Has there been a credible poll of digruntled Republicans done?
Posted by: NthnBrazil on May 7, 2008 10:11 AM   
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This may be out there, but I'm curious what the numbers look like in the general election for Republicans who are not happy with George Bush and the neo-con platform in general. Anecdotally for myself and some friends who fit this description I can say that none (literally zero) are willing to vote for Hillary in November (they will either vote McCain, third party, or stay home), but the Obama/McCain split is roughly 50/50.

Seems to me that a poll like this is the real judge of who is more electible in the general election. . . .

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Michigan
Posted by: bg41 on May 7, 2008 10:13 AM   
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Sigh.

I keep hearing this, and I can't stop getting royally ticked off every time I do.

Obama's name WASN'T ON THE BALLOT IN MICHIGAN. Why does everyone let the Clinton campaign get away with claiming that as a state whose votes demonstrate ANYTHING regarding her electability? Every day, they mention Michigan, and every day, no one bothers to remind them that it's not hard to win a state when you run unopposed.

Again, sigh.

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» RE: Michigan Posted by: Longdream
oldfreedomdude
Posted by: oldfreedomdude on May 7, 2008 10:16 AM   
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Wonderful! Hillary is just like Bush, "the rules are whatever I say they are".

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Rules? of course not.....
Posted by: foreverhope on May 7, 2008 3:18 PM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
after all, they are The Clintons who is anyone to get in their way?

JUST LIKE George W. FRIGGING BUSH!

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Like we need to be told.
Posted by: Longdream on May 7, 2008 4:45 PM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Like it isn't obvious that the only rule Hillary subscribes to is, "My name is Clinton! I win!"

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Let her have them
Posted by: frantaylor on May 7, 2008 7:40 PM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It doesn't matter. She loses anyway. If that's what it takes to get her to shut up, I don't care. We can make her a nice little paper star for coming in second.

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Contact your Super delegates
Posted by: KathyNicholas on May 8, 2008 12:29 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Clinton takes Indiana by a ‘razor’ and Obama wins North Carolina by a huge margin. Nevertheless, Kentucky, Montana and West Virginia are still to come.

The Democratic race for nomination is still very much alive – and most likely to be decided by superdelegates

If you’re tired of waiting around for those super delegates to make a decision already, go to LobbyDelegates.com and push them to support Clinton or Obama

If you haven't done so yet, please write a message to each of your state's superdelegates at http://www.lobbydelegates.com

Obama Supporters:

Sending a note to current Obama supporters lets them know it's appreciated, sending a note to current Clinton supporters can hopefully sway them to change their vote to Obama, and sending a note to the uncommitted folks will hopefully sway them to vote for Obama. It's that easy...

Clinton Supporters too …. !

It takes a moment, but what's a few minutes now worth to get Clinton in office?! Those are really worth !

Sending a note to current Clinton supporters lets them know it's appreciated, sending a note to current Obama supporters can hopefully sway them to change their vote to Clinton, and sending a note to the uncommitted folks will hopefully sway them to vote for Clinton. It's that easy...

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Bobby Decker AKA THE ARTIST FORMERLY KNOWN AS THE PURPLERAIN MAN
Posted by: Bobby Decker on May 8, 2008 5:54 AM   
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2008 SHOULD HAVE BEEN REMEMBERD FOR IN HISTORY AS THE YEAR THE 2008 REPUBLICAN NATIONAL CONVENTION WAS THE NEXT JONESTOWN !
...........INSTEAD IT WILL BE REMEMBERED FOR AS THE YEAR THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY JUMPED THE SHARK !.......HISTORIC ELECTION ! ?.......THE MOST UNPOPULAR INCUMBENT PRESIDENT IN HISTORYS PARTY RETAINS THE WHITE HOUSE !.........IT DONT GET MORE FUCKIN HISTORIC THAN THAT !.....SOME WERE ROD SERLINGS LAFFING TILL HE PEES HIS PANTS !

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Smart
Posted by: motamanx on May 8, 2008 7:57 AM   
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I thought Senator Clinton was supposed to be smart. She is not acting that way, is she? It couldn't be that she's working for the other side, could it? Her husband pals around with Poppy Bush.

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Presidential Race or Next American Idol?
Posted by: bbfmail on May 8, 2008 8:19 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Now that John McCain has been designated the Republican nominee (at least, until their convention in September), crossover voting has reached fever pitch in the remaining primary states. Shortly before Texaco and Ohio, radio talk show hosts Rush Limbaugh and Laura Ingraham both encouraged their listeners to vote for Clinton. Since the two are long-standing critics of the senator and her husband, the unusual call may have provided cover for the larger operation on behalf of Obama. G.O.P. front runner John McCain spent the weekend before the March 4th primaries at home in Arizona, evidently in deference to the crossover initiative.

The Clinton camp also has to contend with a Madison Avenue-style publicity campaign that's allowed her rival to gain traction among voters under thirty. Once an unknown quantity, Obama is now viewed by millions of Americans as a cult icon, a sort of Starbucks equivalent of Gandhi. Free videos touting the candidate's "rock star" status began appearing on You-Tube in 2007, especially the professionally produced "Obama Girl" clip, which features a bikini-clad actress gyrating her sleek rear end as she lip-syncs lyrics of veneration to the candidate.

Even a cursory review of the Obama's record in Illinois and Washington does not bear out the hype. Yet his supporters aren't fretting over the details. During an MSNBC interview in February, Austin State Senator Kirk Watson, an Obama endorser, was unable to list a single accomplishment of the candidate when asked. A week later, a Q and A session with a focus group for the Fox program Hannity and Colmes uncovered the same knowlege gap. None of those voters supporting Obama could identify any past achievement. It was Obama's present-day venture that fascinated them, the historic nature of his quest to become the country's first African-American president, along with his inspirational oratory. (Regarding Obama's record in the U.S. Senate, the New York Times published a background piece on March 9th.)

In addition to the merchandising angle, nobody would have predicted a few years ago that progressive journalists would join in an unholy alliance with Fox News Channel in promoting this novice politician with the peculiar proximity group. Yet here we are. Ari Berman, a writer at The Nation, has been popping up on Fox programs he and his staff once regarded as 24/7 campaign commercials for the Republican Party. And editor Katrina vanden Heuvel has been asserting on CNN that the candidate gets no support from lobbyists or corporate special interests, claims that are disputed by the Center for Responsive Politics opensecrets.org website, factcheck.org, and an article appearing in the Boston Globe. The fact that the senator is known to have watered down legislation requiring nuclear giant Exelon to disclose its radiation leaks to the public doesn't seem to trouble these left-leaning backers in the least. Exelon employees were among Obama's major contributors in 2006. (See the New York Times article for more on the leaks controversy.)

In a blog posted on her website the morning after the Iowa Caucus, Adrianna Huffington lauded the Illinois senator as practically the Second Coming. Like others of her stripe, she didn't have much to offer in the way of specifics, and spent the bulk of her remarks railing at Bill Clinton, who she said had conducted himself in an interview as "arrogant and entitled, dismissive and fear-mongering".

From: The CityEdition
San Francisco

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Money down a rathole
Posted by: westomoon on May 8, 2008 9:19 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
How many millions more will Hillary spend on pointless campaigning in the remaining States? Is this the best use for that money, when it's now numerically impossible for her to win the primary by any voting measure?

I'd rather see her donate it to food banks and domestic-violence programs in those States -- the stuff that people who were poor to begin with really need in hard economic times. That might even make me start to believe her claims that she "cares" about the "little people" -- whose lives are so alien to her she doesn't even know how to pump gas or pour a cup of convenience-store coffee.

But no, this is the woman who can't admit any error, and who hasn't even made a concession speech in the many States she's lost. We will see millions upon millions pissed away in the service of a colossal ego, so she can go into the Denver convention as A Power To Be Appeased.

(grinning) It may not be quite the title she's used to -- She Who Must Be Obeyed -- but it's obviously more palatable to her than Runner-Up.

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Hillary's religious practices to be aired in upcoming book
Posted by: Gibsongirl on May 8, 2008 12:18 PM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I urge all who might be interested to get a copy of Jeff Sharlet's book that's to become public May 20 (or shortly thereafter) which is said to detail aspects of Hillary's religious practices! The advance notice I read about it says it is a very secretive practice and will make her a lot more vulnerable than Pastor Wright's tirade that has caused such a stir. The title of the upcoming book is: The Family, The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power." I'm not hyping book sales at all, but I ordered my advance copy from Amazon today! I can't wait to read it for myself because I want to check it out to see if the advance blurbs are true! I'm also wondering if all the media channels will spend days upon days talking about it! Or if they'll even read it, since so many of the pundits seem to be leaning toward Hillary! Anyway, thought I'd pass this info along to anyone who might be interested!

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clinton supporter.
Posted by: spj on May 8, 2008 2:25 PM   
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who decided that Obama is it way before most of these primaries? And Alternet must be in on the plan. Let our democractic system work. I trust Hillary a whole lot more than Barack. I can't seem to get any specifics on what his plans really are. Hillary puts her polices out in the public view for all to see.

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Hillary has become a pain in the neck
Posted by: sheena2u on May 8, 2008 3:56 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
At this point, by May 8th, Obama has more than proven his ability to overcome problems, to lead, and to remain steadfast to high principles.

He has not pandered for votes, or lied to the public, and Hillary has. He has not hit below the belt, although there were many times when he could have done so, and Hillary has. He has not lied, and Hillary has. He has not dealt in fear, and what is smallest in us, and Hillary has.

He is the right one for America today, and Hillary is not.

Obama has been gracious, restrained, polite, and full of class. Hillary has not. She has been small, petty, and slung mud in the worst possible Republican style.

Obama clearly has the right stuff, the delegates, the popular vote, and the skill and maturity to lead this country where it needs to go now. And, Hillary does not. He has remained humble, and kept his campaign about America, and about what the People can do together. And, she has not.

It is high time for the party to get behind Obama, and get on with the important business at hand. Much is at stake for America, and we must have the courage to do the right thing now. The is the time for uncommitted delegates to declare their support for Obama.

The people are speaking....and Hillary will not hear. After 8 years of Bush, America does not need a leader who will not hear, who tells people only what they want to hear, who can't even remember whether or not she was hit by sniper fire, and who takes her clues from the Republican play book.

Yes, she has a right to continue her campaign. She has had the same right as anyone who demands the right of way in traffic, and callously causes an accident in the process.

Even McGovern, God bless him, tried to give her a gentle warning, and a graceful out. The expression on Chelsea's face when Hillary gave her speech in Indiana says it all. It has become painful and sad to watch an admirable woman throw all reason, perspective, and dignity out the window in selfish pursuit of vanity and false pride.

She was not waxing poetic about the rights of every state to be included until she clearly stood to gain. The DNC's rules were clear from the start, and she can't keep making up her own set of rules and own reality.

Obama is ready and able to lead America in a better direction, and its time we all got behind him.

Hillary is not what America needs, and she would be well advised to stop throwing good money after bad, and bow out with some semblance of grace and class while she still can.

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lost it
Posted by: sicntired on May 9, 2008 12:03 AM   
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There's no doubt that Ms.Clinton has lost her grasp of reality.To dig in her fake nails and hang on to the bitter end is a clear display of why Barrack should pick anyone else for a running mate.Let her dream endlessly about nuking Iran at 3 in the morning and find someone like Dennis Kucinich as a running mate.By the way.If the rules for posting on this site were applied to the Clinton campaign nothing would ever qualify.

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We need a new political system
Posted by: metamind on May 9, 2008 1:07 AM   
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Let's face the truth: our two-party system has failed the people. BOTH parties are servants of money and power. What have we got for our Billion Dollar 2008 Presidential election "show?" Can you name even ONE good idea?

The Presidential Campaign has been a major distraction from the REAL PROBLEM ... CONGRESS.
We have a dysfunctional system run by parties, corporations and a whole lot of money.

We need an Article V Convention of the States to amend the Constitution. We need to have a discussion about our collective future. We have had much too much advertising and "cheap talk" about things which matter very little in the final analysis. We've ignored the big issues, like the failure of money, the use of the military as an instrument of economic policy and the impending ecological disaster.

Steve Moyer

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Clinton sinks party.
Posted by: jporter on May 9, 2008 2:01 AM   
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Just watch and see if the Democratic Party ends up sinking its self and its great position over the egotistical personalities of two people. Instead of keeping the party up front, hell let's fight over who will be number one to hold the front position within the Democratic Party. Get out of the way Hillary, get out of the way. You lie every-time you open your mouth, yep every time. I would not even choose you as a vice presidential personality. Ego much too big to compromise. Remember, it is the people and the country first Hillary, then maybe you.

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