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Did Rush Limbaugh Really Influence Hillary's Vote?

Posted by Steven Rosenfeld, AlterNet at 4:16 PM on March 7, 2008.


There were Limbaugh voters in Texas and Ohio -- not enough to tip the scale anyway.

Conservative talk radio host Rush Limbaugh is influential. He is the nation's most important radio host, according to Talkers magazine. And he's a great showman, urging Republicans to cross party lines and vote for Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) in the Democratic Primary in Texas and Ohio. It's classic political talk radio.

"I want Hillary to stay in this, Laura," Rush told Laura Ingraham on Feb. 29, near the start of his Hillary crusade. "This is too good a soap opera. We need Barack Obama bloodied up politically, and it's obvious that the Republicans are not going to do it and don't have the stomach for it, as you probably know."

And on Wednesday, the day after the Texas Primary, there was this exchange on Fox News, where Clinton was the guest and was asked if she owed Limbaugh a thank you for a primary victory.

HILLARY: Be careful what you wish for, Rush.

WOMAN: Is that it?

HILLARY: I think that's it.

Later that day, Limbaugh played that mesmerizing exchange on his show and then said, "How do you interpret this, folks? She could have said thank you. She could have said thank you! In fact, I was expecting in her victory speech last night, to be thanked.

"I helped give Mrs. Clinton the biggest and happiest moment and night of the campaign season so far, maybe her life, and she tells me, "Be careful what you wish for, Rush"? Why, that sounds like a threat, does it not? I've got a Democrat presidential candidate threatening your host. Why, I am stunned! After all I did..."

This is fun, entertaining radio, but that does not make it true.

Political observers who know a thing or two more about Texas than Rush say there is no way he gave Clinton a decisive push that helped her beat Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) in the Lone Star State's primary by 101,000 votes.

"I really don't think so," said Matt Engle of The Lone Star Project. "I know it's a popular thing to think about. But I don't want to give Rush that credit. It is a hard thing to do, getting people to cross over party lines. There weren't all that many who did it. I haven't seen evidence to the contrary."

But this story line does not want to disappear.

"It matches the reality of the poll numbers," said Tony Campbell, spokesperson of Republicans for Obama. "Obama was up one or two points in Texas. But the spread was much larger than the what the polls showed. The polls were Democratic Primary voters. It had nothing to do with Republicans that would cross over."

Why then did Obama not win the Texas primary, which is daytime voting that awards two-thirds of the state's delegates? (The other third of the delegates are apportioned from party caucuses held after polls close. Clinton won the primary, 51 percent to 47 percent, but Obama is ahead in the caucus, 56 percent to 44 percent. The state party has not released the final caucus results, which, if they hold up, would give Obama more Texas delegates than Clinton.)

There are plenty of reasons why Obama did not win the state's Primary, but the biggest one cited by several Texas politicos is the he did not firmly respond to Clinton's attacks. Still, there certainly were voters who mischievously crossed party lines.

Laura Jean Kreissl is an accounting professor at Western Texas A&M University. She's an Obama supporter, and was a poll worker on Tuesday in Canyon, Texas, which she described as the "reddest of the red" politically. She contacted The Wall Street Journal after she counted 70 out of 181 voters come into her precinct, saying they were voting for Hillary because Rush suggested they do so.

"The first person I had (coming into vote) said Rush Limbaugh sent me. I'm here to vote for Hillary Clinton," she recounted on Friday. "I want to see the Democratic Party implode. And the next fellow behind him said, 'Me too!'"

Kreissl said these were the first two voters of the day.

"I was surprised," she said. "I never was an election official before. I like to think the best of people." The accounting professor decided to keep track of this peculiar trend. "They all wanted to know if they would be able to vote Republican in the fall Some comments were let's jump to the Democratic side and mess it up."

This is a compelling story. It is just as gripping as Limbaugh's well-staged theatrics. But the bottom line is the number of Republicans necessary to change the Democratic Primary outcome is much larger than the 70 people who voted in Canyon's precinct 307.

Assume for a minute those 70 voters in her ultra red precinct had comrades across Texas -- then the Canyon scenario would have had to have happened in nearly 1,450 other Texas precincts to create Clinton's 101,000 vote margin. That is one-fifth of its precincts.

If there was a Texas-size stampede by Limbaugh-induced Republicans, the state and national media -- to say nothing of the Obama campaign -- would have noted it. But that doesn't mean there were not crossover voters; just not enough for bragging rights.

The Cincinnati Enquirer reported on March 5th that in several Ohio counties, Republicans apparently did cross over to vote for Clinton. In Clermont County, a conservative rural area southwest of Cincinnati, 11,783 more people voted in the Democratic Primary than there were registered Democrats in the county. In nearby Warren County, there were 15,415 more people voting in the Democratic Primary than registered Democrats in the county.

Were crossover voters a factor in Ohio? Yes, but remember, Clinton beat Obama by 10 percent, which was a margin of nearly 229,000 votes.

It wasn't Limbaugh sheep being herded to the polls that defeated Obama in these states, it was Clinton's wolfish campaign ads and criticisms -- and the Obama campaigns responses or lack thereof.

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To my American Friends:
Posted by: CanuckKid on Mar 7, 2008 7:24 PM   
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It's a damn shame that this guy has to keep opening his mouth - every time he does, he embarrasses you all a little bit more. Surely you deserve better...

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» RE: To my American Friends: Posted by: Longdream
» RE: To my American Friends: Posted by: Schroeder
Wake up, Alternet editors
Posted by: hurricane hugo on Mar 7, 2008 9:17 PM   
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The final tally in Texas isn't done yet...and Obama's winning.

jdfu!

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» RE: Wake up, Alternet editors Posted by: willymack
Limbaugh is Un-American
Posted by: optimist on Mar 7, 2008 9:21 PM   
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Urging voters to fix elections is un-American.
Voting in order to rob someone else of their vote, is un-American.

Nuff said.

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» By that logic, Posted by: blue70rose
The worse he gets, the better I like it.
Posted by: Longdream on Mar 8, 2008 5:15 AM   
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This pig, O'Reilly and all the others are putting themselves out of business day by day. We don't have to do a thing.

Bread and Circuses in any guise is the first sign of defeat.

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A Hoarding Nation
Posted by: vicentelll on Mar 8, 2008 5:34 AM   
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From the founding of this nation till the end of the 20th Century the United States of Alzheimer's has been on a hoarding mode. To accomplish this America has become the biggest bully in the world. With this new millennium there is a growing movement toward transformation. There is new hope for a new vision and a fear that time is running out. For the first time in our history the real Hippie movement and JFK gave us a look at the possibility of that new vision. President Clinton gave us a feeling that it could be done. Obama is telling us it will be done. McCain can not and does not know how to compete with that and Rush knows that. Their left brain hoarding minds does not permit them to do that. Obama and McCain are not on the same page, not even on the same book. McCain and Hillary are on the same page on opposite sides. Rush knows McCain can not beat Obama so they want Hillary to beat Obama. If we love our country and really see what it has become it does not take a brain surgeon to figure that out. Rush is doing the right thing for his reality. He is not where he is by luck or chance. He is the last white hope that the United States of Alzheimer has. YOU GO FOR IT RUSH!!!

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Midway54
Posted by: Midway54 on Mar 8, 2008 6:08 AM   
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The huge number of ignorant dolts who listen to Limbaloney and his wannabes and who do as they are told should be of concern to the Country. Is it any wonder that the ultra-Right quasi-fascist Republican Party is doing so well in getting their Stooges into Congress and worse, the Puppet in the Oafel Office who has been a disaster for the U.S.A. and its worst president since the founding?

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strange piece
Posted by: mwildfire on Mar 8, 2008 6:14 AM   
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The numbers this guy cites seem to disprove his thesis. OF COURSE Canyon should be assumed to be typical--in which case it looks like Republican crossovers made the difference. The idea that Obama needed to respond to Clinton's scurrilous, offensive, right-wing-even-for-a-Republican attacks--the sort of attacks that have rebounded in Obama's favor previously--and his failure to do so was the real reason for Clinton's win is simply illogical.

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Of course it's what happened
Posted by: Afriedell on Mar 8, 2008 6:27 AM   
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The very fact that Obama wins caucuses (where real supporters show up) and loses the popular vote in rural redneck areas proves that the ditto-heads followed orders. I too worked in a polling place where the same thing was going on; not only that, I know many Republicans in other parts of the state who announced it was the plan. So how can Hillary be proud of that kind of win?

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What nonsense!
Posted by: KeepsonTickn on Mar 8, 2008 7:03 AM   
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Rosenfeld is using the common Republican tactic of backfilling a nonsensical explanation into an anomalous outcome. Using this type of reasoning, Ralph Nader's run didn't affect the outcome in the 2000 election either, and 2004 exit polls were wrong because Republicans decided en mass to lie to pollsters. Interestingly, Rosenfeld co-authored a book arguing against the latter "explanation".

Rosenfeld posits that the exact situation in Canyon would have had to occur in 1450 precincts to make a difference. What nonsense.

2.8 million people voted the Democratic ticket, while 1.3 million people voted Republican, in a heavily Republican state. To give Hillary the cited 101,000 vote margin, only 7.2% of Republicans voting would need to have crossed over and voted for Hillary, from any combination of precincts, not the 23% of selected precincts Rosenfeld requires. Apparently a lot more crossed over than that.

Rosenfeld should realize that survival in this political maelstrom requires rigorous intellectual honesty.

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It was reported two days ago
Posted by: Quannah on Mar 8, 2008 8:15 AM   
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That the "Limbaugh Repubs" that voted for Hillary was estimated to be around 8%. Then if you throw into the mix the McClinton NAFTA lie that gained her Ohio, this could have been a different outcome.

But as HH said earlier, they are still tallying the caucus votes in Texas and Obama is leading. (I believe it was around 98 delegates for Obama to 93 for McClinton)

Dirty politics, as usual, I suppose.

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Limbaugh's not the only manipulator
Posted by: mnascimento on Mar 8, 2008 9:42 AM   
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I was watching CNN on Super Tuesday and was initially surprised at Wolf Blitzer's shell shocked reaction to Obama's victories. He seemed very reluctant to credit the election results, and waited until it was very clear Hillary wasn't miraculously going to pull ahead. He clearly favors Hillary and spins his commentary in her favor.
It is easy to scan Israeli news papers online. Hillary is favored over Obama in all the commentary I've read.
The Zionist Lobby is pulling for the candidate who will keep the Middle East destabilized. Wolf Blitzer has ties to AIPAC.
I don't know if Obama will put the interests of Israel ahead of the interests of the US population. I do however believe Hillary and John McCain are sure bets. McCain because of his warrior mentality, Hillary because she will do what is necessary to be in power.

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What nonsense!!!!!!
Posted by: weslen1 on Mar 8, 2008 10:14 AM   
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I highly doubt there were any more neocon, Dittoheads voting for Hillary to mess with the outcome than ignorant democrats, in MI and FL, especially, who followed advice from various e-mails and bulletins, who voted for McCain to mess up the republican vote.
From either side, it was an ignorant thing to do, but another testament to the NEED for all primaries for both parties to be held the SAME DAY. If your own party is holding a vote on the same day as your rival, you're not going to give your vote to a rival just to mess with the results of your rival because then your own parties results would not be to your advantage, especially in a close race. Get OVER it and stop using Hillary as a punching bag. The ONLY THING YOU ARE ACCOMPLISHING IS TO TURN MORE VOTERS TO HILLARY WHO VOTED FOR THOSE WHO ARE NO LONGER IN THE RACE AND YOU'RE NOT TAKING ONE VOTE AWAY FROM HER THAT SHE ALREADY GOT.

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If moronic blowhards
Posted by: willymack on Mar 8, 2008 11:26 AM   
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Like limbaugh, o'reilly, hannity, and crazy preachers can influence anyone to vote against their own best interests, that's a bad thing. If they can influence the votes of some 50 million voters as in 2000 & 2004, that's an unmitigated tragedy. Our country can't take four more years of "business as usual".

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Strangely Naive
Posted by: westomoon on Mar 8, 2008 12:02 PM   
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In fact, this article is so peculiarly naive, I was reminded of the old peace-movement, feminist days, where every group contained at least one member who always seemed to be coming out of left field. When the Freedom of Info Act was enacted, lots of people discovered that they had FBI files from those days, with info provided by those "left field" types, who turned out to be narcs.

Surely nobody in the blogosphere is genuinely this naive? The Republican party, and especially the neocon movement, is in a fight for its life -- we know it, and they know it. The R party has now elected its candidate for the '08 Presidential election, and a lot of Rs don't like him. However, most Rs (and some Ds) loathe Clinton far more than they dislike McCain, so Hillary Clinton is the Rs dream opponent. Polls have been saying from the outset that the one candidate John McCain would definitely beat is Hillary Clinton, and that Rs who would otherwise stay home in the '08 election would turn out to vote against Hillary.

Now, there's this other candidate who's not only not loathed by every Republican, he is inspiring crossover supporters. The Rs have chosen their nominee, all Republican primaries from here on out are meaningless, and there are a lot of "open" primaries to come, where anyone can vote in any party's primary. Duh, is it so hard to imagine that Rs would cross over and vote for the opponent who will give their party a chance of winning in '08, and of surviving as a party?

So it's not mysterious why any R would be in favor of Hillary being the D nominee. Now, there are facts beyond the dramatic anecdotal stuff this article dismisses. Limbaugh did call on his dittoheads to vote for Hillary. MSNBC's exit polls did reveal that 8% of Texas Hillary voters were dittohead crossovers voting for their dream opponent. (And that was just the ones who admitted it.) Hillary won the popular vote by 10%. Is it so hard so imagine that R "spite voters" gave her the edge, and then vamoosed before they had to explain their positions in the caucuses?

I gotta say, it's a whole lot easier for me to imagine that explanation than to imagine that any progressive, liberal, or just plain well-intentioned American could be as naive as this writer purports to be.

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oldgirl
Posted by: oldgirl on Mar 8, 2008 1:45 PM   
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Yes the Republicans did heed the words of Limbaugh and it did make a difference in Ohio. In my county, at my polling place, many more voters chose a Democratic ballot than there were registered Democrats in the precinct. One Republican couple was interviewed by a local TV station at my precinct and stated that they "thought carefully about it" and chose a Democratic ballot. The woman made some uncomplimentary statement about Hillary. There were many ballots with votes for only the presidential nominee. No votes were cast for the other Democratic candidates on the ballot. It is easy to conclude what the objective of "becoming" a Democrat was in this screwed election. A pity on this nation when people choose to act out their democratic privilege in this "all's fair in love and war" attitude. John McCain is now holding forth on my TV about the "rule of law." How about getting his "troops" to honor the rule of fairness in this election. I agree Rush Limbaugh and his followers are unamerican. Even if there weren't enough votes to change the outcome (and I believe in the state of Ohio there actually were and hope it will be challenged) it does make a huge difference--the moral nature of our society has been severely damaged.

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Southmam
Posted by: ndriebe on Mar 8, 2008 3:10 PM   
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Here in Georgia, we can testify to the success of Republican voter crossover in the election of Governor Lester Maddox in 1966. He ran in the Democratic primary against State Senator Jimmy Carter; a highly respected former governor, Ellis Arnall; and several other candidates. Republicans put forth only one candidate: wealthy, West Point graduate, Congressman Bo Callaway. Maddox was a tenth grade dropout with no government experience, whose claim to fame was that he fought against integrating his Pickrick Restaurant.
Republicans were jubilant in their "support" of Maddox and bragged openly about their plan to cross over and vote for him in the Democratic primary, then offer Callaway to Democrats as a much more acceptable candidate in the general election. Their strategy worked and Maddox became the Democratic nominee. Georgia was full of "Yellow Dog Democrats" who voted for Maddox in the general election, however, and a close race, complicated by a write-in vote, threw the election into the majority Democratic Georgia legislature, which declared Maddox the winner. This was confirmed by the U.S. Supreme Court.

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Rush Is Depending On Hillary
Posted by: desidid on Mar 8, 2008 4:06 PM   
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We need Barack Obama bloodied up politically, and it's obvious that the Republicans are not going to do it and don't have the stomach for it, as you probably know."

But Hillary has the stomach for it. Who would have thought that a democratic former first lady is the republicans best weapon!

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Could you expect anything less from Americas biggest clown?
Posted by: yale on Mar 8, 2008 7:36 PM   
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Could you expect anything less from Americas biggest clown? Limbaugh is actually down in approval ratings along with Bush, not only with normal folk, but republicans too. To claim he actually had any influence on the Texas vote is a joke. Nothing more than an angry fatman on the radio.

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He leaves out
Posted by: COhippie on Mar 9, 2008 12:31 AM   
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That this is a delegate contest. Even if the crossover voters didn't make the difference (and this point is open to contest, especially in Texas), they probably still made a difference of a swing of several delegates in Hillary's favor.

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