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Bill Clinton Flashback: "All These Economically Insecure White People ... Are Scared to Death"

Posted by Nico Pitney, Huffington Post at 4:00 PM on April 13, 2008.


Statements made by Bill Clinton mirroring Obama's "bitter voters" comment -- uttered while he was running for president in 1991 -- have now surfaced.

As the rumination continues over Barack Obama's comments about economically-depressed small town voters, statements made by Bill Clinton on the same topic -- uttered while he was running for president in 1991 -- have now surfaced.

"The reason (George H. W. Bush's tactic) works so well now is that you have all these economically insecure white people who are scared to death," Clinton was quoted saying by the Los Angeles Times in September 1991.

A couple months later, Joe Klein, writing for the Sunday Times, reported that Clinton made the following remarks:

"You know, he [Bush] wants to divide us over race. I'm from the South. I understand this. This quota deal they're gonna pull in the next election is the same old scam they've been pulling on us for decade after decade after decade. When their economic policies fail, when the country's coming apart rather than coming together, what do they do? They find the most economically insecure white men and scare the living daylights out of them. They know if they can keep us looking at each other across a racial divide, if I can look at Bobby Rush and think, Bobby wants my job, my promotion, then neither of us can look at George Bush and say, 'What happened to everybody's job? What happened to everybody's income? What ... have ... you ... done ... to ... our ... country?'"

For comparison's sake, here is Obama's statement, reported by Mayhill Fowler for Huffington Post's OffTheBus:

Here's how it is: in a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long, and they feel so betrayed by government, and when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn't buy it. And when it's delivered by -- it's true that when it's delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama (laugher), then that adds another layer of skepticism (laughter). [...]


But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

What do you think -- are they similar?

Update: Jason Linkins notes a statement from Harvard political scientist Theda Skocpol to Talking Points Memo, which reads in part:

I have been in meetings with the Clintons and their advisors where very clinical things were said in a very-detached tone about unwillingness of working class voters to trust government -- and Bill Clinton -- and about their unfortunate (from a Clinton perspective) proclivity to vote on life-style rather than economic issues. To see Hillary going absolutely over the top to smash Obama for making clearly more humanly sympathetic observations in this vein, is just amazing.

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Einstein
Posted by: mkdelta69 on Apr 13, 2008 6:18 PM   
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is Bill or Hillary running Einstein?

Einstein, how is present criticism from phony progressives and Group Of Pigs attack during Bills administration. DAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaa past tense different?

If your comparing Bill and conflating with Hillary. Then you have to equate Experience Einstein.

I'll take Bill and Hillaries economics anyday over boob shrub, senile McSame or amorphousbama anyday.

Clintons proven economically amorphousbama unproven and ELITIST.

Unfair Unbalanced AlterNet.

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» RE: Einstein Posted by: chuckjs
» RE: instein Posted by: amy sue
» RE: instein Posted by: mkdelta69
» DAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaa ? Posted by: Prairie Waif
» RE: instein Posted by: willymack
agent provocateur
Posted by: mkdelta69 on Apr 13, 2008 6:36 PM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
This is my honest belief about some AlterNet writers. The purpose is not conversation, it's dissention. There is no fair, there is no balance.

And if people aren't programed they get tired real fast.

AlterNet is starting to boor me. The experience is becoming unpleasant when nationwide support is close. But AlterNet is busted by Noam Chomsky methodology. Analyze the news media reporting to figure out the next target for attack.

Attack target Hillary. Free pass Amorphousbama.
And Amorphousbama is using many Group Of Pigs attacks on Bill Clinton. Just cut and past Hillary. Health care is perfect example. When Hillary was attempting to change health care for the better. Where the hell were the phony cowardly craven progressives or liberals?

For that matter where was Amorphousbama?

You cowardly slimy phony liberals and progressives make me sick. Your so wild eyed biased your too stupid to see it.

Fact Hillary or Obama would be huge improvement over the village idiot shrub. I will vote without a second thought in the general election for Clinton or Obama. In primary Hillary because the repukes will throw everything at the next president. Obama will be steam rolled by procedure. And the cowardly leadership that has folded time and time again against shrub and now support Obama.

Your hatred for the Clintons is stupid and sickening. If Democratic leadership continues to fail Obama will call for negotiation, Hillary will put her foot up their ass. to give them some backbone.

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» RE: agent provocateur Posted by: clawjack
» RE: agent provocateur Posted by: mkdelta69
Hillary is Desperate, and It Shows.
Posted by: AlexLawyer on Apr 13, 2008 10:15 PM   
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Hillary Clinton's vicious attacks on Obama over his comments are hypocritical, in view of this article, and self-serving. When she several times gave elaborate descriptions of her heroism under fire and was caught out, she brushed it off as misspeaking, but when Obama chose one word unwisely she denounces him as elitist. Her health care initiative failed because of her arrogant, elitist approach, something the above poster should note. She still refuses to apologize for her vote for the war or all the lies about WMD and ties to al Qaeda she parroted.

I just watched the Messiah College event and found her ethereal, evasive and condescending, while Obama was more honest, forthright and specific.

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» Mispoke: DEFINITION Posted by: Prairie Waif
» Mispoke: DEFINITION--->CONTINUED Posted by: Prairie Waif
Hillary - A study in right wing politics
Posted by: georgiaorwell on Apr 14, 2008 2:16 AM   
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Face it, it doesn't really matter what word, phrase, or sentence Obama says, Hillary is going to attack it from one angle or another. I have tried and tried to keep an open mind about Hillary, but her acting and sounding like a right-wing Republican just doesn't do it for me. Her best experience appears to be as a liar and spin doctor.

If Hillary were to somehow pull off the Dem nomination, I guarantee I will not vote for her because of her dirty, smear tactics. Of course, I would never vote for McCain, whom I regard as senile and 100% offensive to women's rights, but I would write in Obama or Edwards, etc. on the ballot - if write-ins are allowed. At least I would have voted my conscience which no longer allows me to support either Hillary or NEVER MCCAIN.

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First Poster is a TROLL, Making Rounds...
Posted by: Turiye on Apr 14, 2008 3:13 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
...name of yip chee on some sites, same twit, psyops garbage should hire my daughter she could brush up their typing cadence and use of old terms.
That being said, Bill can't tolerate that he WAS, he is not NOW.
Second poster was odd as well. ChickenHawks all the same. Act as if, if only, coulda shoulda woulda. If they actually had it would not be so simple to demean an entire group of people.
They 'Disappeared' Dennis, never Hillary or McCain, I do not have a definitive withdrawal of all from Senator Obama, yet. I want everything gone, no emabassy, er castle, Embassy that is actually a Castle, no Contracters aka Mercenaries, no equipment, every Troop, every one, ENDS NOW.

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misses the point completely
Posted by: fratricide08 on Apr 14, 2008 3:36 AM   
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The problem is that this has nothing to do with what Obama said. People aren't offended over Obama saying that there have been hard economic times or even the description that folks are bitter about it. What is offensive is the statement that as a result of this economic bitterness small town voters cling to god, racism, xenophobia, anti-trade sentiment etc.

Pointing out a divide and conquer strategy by an opponent isn't even tangentially related to labeling small town voters bitter morons that cling to god, racism and guns.

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» RE: misses the point completely Posted by: Joshua Holland
cultural registers
Posted by: QCao009 on Apr 14, 2008 5:16 AM   
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Some time we stumble on the truth. Some time the truth hit us in the face and we still cannot see it while we keep screaming bloody murder. The comparison of the right wing's blind faith in Dubya and the left wing's adulation of Obama merits a second look after we read this.

Whining ab Obama not getting a fair chance when Bill said the very same things overlooks the very tenents of cross-cultural register. I learned this when I first came here as a foreign student. AA foot ball players coming in my dorm were slapping each other on the back, using the n word. To fit in, I walked up to my friend Howard, the hulking 300 lb starting guard for our football team, the next day, slapped him on the butt and yelled out: "How 're you doing, n ***?"

I learned that day that not everyone saying the same words is treated the same way. Who you are does count: skin color, gender, accent, looks. That's why Obama has been able to talk about change and made it work for him, and when Hillary says the exact same things with a different intonation, it just has not registered the same way.

May be our internalized racism has something to do about it. May be Alternet also has a blind spot and it's easier to talk about others' blind spot and not acknowledge and confront ours. The one thing we have learned about the Reagan/Bush crowd is that while it's convenient to be critical from the outside, their hypocrisy just becomes evident when they acquire the power. Bennett and Gingrich are great examples of it. And now so is Randi Rhodes.

Are we ready for a Democratic White House ?

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When did it become controversial to speak the truth?
Posted by: chuckjs on Apr 14, 2008 6:28 AM   
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That's the question. I can't wait to hear the answers.

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» RE: Joshua I am deeply saddened but.. Posted by: Joshua Holland
Recognize the Problem, Don't be a Bigot
Posted by: dudelette on Apr 14, 2008 11:03 AM   
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Yes, there's a problem in these small town communities, and the neocons have taken advantage of it, and twisted it to their own use. However, Obama has once again shown how he feels about the "typical white person" with his poor choice of words. I don't care how you feel about him and his promise of change. You can claim he's just naming the problem, like the Clintons did. You're wrong. He didn't just name the problem. He named these people as bigots, racists, and xenophobes.

Frankly, there are bigots, racists, and xenophobes in every single neighborhood in this country, no matter its income level, its ethnic diversity, its level of education, or how blue or red it votes.

Obama's failure to appeal to these people is his problem, not theirs. He needs to figure out what his weakness is and stop blaming them.

Geraldine Ferraro was honest when she brought up the race issue, but she was lambasted. Do you really think Obama would be carrying the black vote if he was not African-American? It's okay for blacks to vote black, but it's not okay for whites to vote white?

Quit apologizing and listen to what you're saying! You're all wrong!

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» From a PA ex-pat Posted by: DaBear
I sure hope I'm wrong, but....
Posted by: xconservative on Apr 14, 2008 3:48 PM   
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In trying to make sense of the disproportionate reaction to Obama's impolitic (but not untruthful) choice of words, as well as the recent obsession about Rev. Wright's sermons, I can't help but wonder if there is a certain percentage of otherwise progressive/liberal white people who, deep down inside, are really uncomfortable with the idea of a black man becoming President? And who are looking for some facially valid reason not to vote for him?

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» RE: I sure hope I'm wrong, but.... Posted by: xconservative
Yada yada yada
Posted by: Jersey Devil on Apr 14, 2008 6:13 PM   
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Don't these schmucks ever get tired of digging up decades old crap and smearing is all over themselves trying to appear intelligent and get attention? Crap journalism is still crap regardless of party affiliation.

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dirt guy
Posted by: dwaln on Apr 14, 2008 7:18 PM   
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I wonder if the communications technologies have made it impossible for any person, no matter how politically skilled with language, to spin a message that will appeal to a majority of the electorate. If a majority of the electorate reject pandering we are sunk. In this vast diverse nation, 51% of people won't ever agree on anything significant. And this all while well over 51% of the electorate demand incompatible things for their vote. Hmmm.....

And we blame the politicians? How would any of us cobble together even 25% of the vote without pandering to someone. And now technology has made even the smallest of spin, for one audience, immediately accessible to the opposition, and the people who are most likely to take offense.

We may need a little smoke and mirrors to hold together a nation of this size.

Taking on the need for organization on the global scale makes it very apparent that we need some creative thinking beyond popular democracy. The Hamiltonians sought to make the world economically interdependent as a means to keep us from killing each other. As fossil fuels diminish will this also become untenable?

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BLAH,BLAH,BLAH
Posted by: mindtrvlr on Apr 14, 2008 10:55 PM   
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Sick of hearing old unprovable crap.

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Wait lemme get this straight
Posted by: DaBear on Apr 14, 2008 11:09 PM   
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Obama says something that's truthful, kinda ("So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."), and the Clintons get goofy over that, even though Hill's Bill said the same kinda thing when he was runnin'... right?

So what's new, Hillary's a tool? Of course she is. She's elitist, a snob, a documented liar, carpetbagger shill, and more. Every working class person knows this, sorry, it's not news. We can smell buffers (owning-classers) a mile away. We know they don't give a shit about us, never have, never will. How many rich fuckers does it take to screw in a light-bulb? None, they make you (the worker bee) pay them to do it for them then sue you homeless for doing what they claim is a lousy job of it (when they really just didn't like the "look" you allegedly gave the missus). Same ole, same ole...

Obama does a little truth-tellin'. How is this bad? I grew up in northeastern PA in a small town. That's EXACTLY how people are with very very rare exception--although for mostly different reassons than just the shitty economic cesspool. You need guns to hunt so you kin eat, you need "god" because you gotta please mama and she believes in god, you are xenophobic because you never did like no book learnin' and the boss is a racist so if you wanna paycheck you better god damn be a fuckin' racist too, and besides, "they took 'er jobs!" Seriously though, I know guys who are still convinced Mumia is guilty for no other reason than he's black. They won't vote for 'Bama, specifically because he's black, but they ain't racist... oh no.

Frankly I won't vote for Obama because he's a rich fucker who'll most assuredly try to financially screw me and work against my interests day and night, just like all rich fuckers do. Classist? To be sure. But there's a buttload of evidence on my side. But I'll give him that little bit o' truth tellin'. He's right about smalltown PA, dere it sets [spits and wipes t'baccy offn the upper lip].

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