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Support For Obama Driven By Sexism?

Posted by Amanda Marcotte, Pandagon at 8:27 AM on April 18, 2008.


Some feminists who support Obama nonetheless find their liberal male friends' enthusiasm unnerving.

There were some grumblings in the comments about the blogular silence greeting this Rebecca Traister piece about how a lot of male Obama supporters are relishing this opportunity to indulge their sexist side, but I can say in all honesty, I hadn't blogged it yet because I hadn't seen it. But now that I have, I highly recommend it. Rebecca, of course, is a remarkably good writer, and she articulates beautifully why privileged Democratic men might harbor hostility towards Clinton, hostility white middle class liberals wouldn't show Obama.

In today's United States, racism continues to have more damaging economic and social structural implications for African-Americans than sexism has for women. Especially white and well-educated women, who are catching up to their male counterparts, if not in terms of equal pay or domestic expectations or secure reproductive options, at least in their ability to pursue the education and vocation they desire. And that makes them a more threatening group to the population of white men who have enjoyed unchallenged power -- in the White House and other workplaces -- since the birth of the nation. Those who feel the army of tough ladies breathing down their necks, competing for jobs and salaries and refusing to drop out of the race, are the population of privileged white men from which the elite portion of the Democratic Party is built.

It's not just competing for jobs that fuels this. Middle class liberal straight men benefit in a number of ways from the oppression of women. They get their homes cleaned, their laundry done, their children cared for, their egos fluffed, and birthday cards sent to their mothers, or they have the expectation of these things. (To varying degrees, of course. Some liberal men are much more feminist than others, and how much housework gets done by what pair of hands varies from household to household.) If they're single, they get to take advantage of a dating market where it's still understood that women are selling and men are buying. Now, obviously the investment from man to man varies on this front---there are a number of good guys who would gladly trade it all for an opportunity to date a woman who hasn't been crippled with insecurity from all the sexist mandates put on her (i.e., never again glares at her fat ass in a mirror and berates herself)---but there's plenty enough sexism with liberal dudes, and we all know it. I believe this story, because it just rings true in my experience and from stories I hear from other women about liberal sexism.

But I have to confess---I have not experienced the liberal male hostility to Clinton that has these sexist undertones. Maybe I'm oblivious, but I certainly haven't had any experiences like the ones described in the story.

Meanwhile, I was getting e-mails from men I didn't know well who approached me as a go-to feminist to whom they could express their hatred of Hillary and their anger at her staying in the race -- an anger that seemed to build with every one of her victories. One of my closest girlfriends, an Obama voter, told me of a drink she'd had with a politically progressive man who made a series of legitimate complaints about Clinton's policies before adding that when he hears the senator's voice, he's overcome by an urge to punch her in the face.

A few weeks ago, my friend Becca O'Brien, a lawyer and policy advisor in New Orleans, visited me. She told me about her experience on the morning of the Louisiana primary. O'Brien had been openly torn between Obama and Clinton, and perhaps as a result, she received five phone calls from male friends around the country, urging her to vote for Obama. They were, she understood, just campaigning for their candidate; they didn't realize how many calls she was receiving, or that taken together, they were making her furious. As O'Brien saw it, "The presumption was that I was undecided because I was a young woman, and they could talk some sense into me if they were the last ones I spoke to before I went into the voting booth."

I've talked to a number of liberal male Obama supporters, and on the whole, they either castigate Clinton for her war vote, or say nothing about her except that she is a perfectly fine second choice. I'd like to flatter myself and say that it's because I'm a Known Feminist, but so are a lot of the women in this story that are getting hell from guys they know. What I do suspect might be going on could be called the Ann Richards Factor, though. Richards, of course, was the last Democratic governor of our great state of Texas, and she lost to George W. Bush against an ugly campaign that turned her simple defeat into something close to martyrdom. She's an icon to Texas Democrats, and in the process of her canonization, our middle class liberal men probably overcame a lot of their hostility to the idea of female leadership. And maybe they learned that just because we had a female governor doesn't mean the toilets won't continue to clean themselves.

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Amanda Marcotte co-writes the popular blog Pandagon. She is the author of It's a Jungle Out There: The Feminist Survival Guide to Politically Inhospitable Environments.


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Support for Hillary driven by sexism?
Posted by: 23skidoo on Apr 18, 2008 9:01 AM   
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Where is that article?

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» hmm Posted by: leta
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar
Posted by: jebpgh on Apr 18, 2008 9:22 AM   
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I don't get this beating we have to take on this question. By now it seems fairly clear that we men can vote for Obama and against Clinton because we prefer his leadership over hers. And while I was perfectly neutral about six months ago - truly feeling I could support either choice for president - the last several months of behavior from the Clinton campaign has convinced me that I was wrong to think that way. The Clinton campaign has always drifted to the personal and the negative when faced with adversity. Obama has struggled to keep an even keel in the campaign and avoid attack ads while the Clinton folks seem to reach for this. They ahve engaged in the politics of personal destruction, fed talking points to righ-wing blogs and media, painted Obama as an extremist with wild views and questionable associations. They have failed to make a case for why Clinton is a better candidate and they have failed to make a case for how she can overcome the electorate's strongly held negative views of her and unite both Democrats and independents behind her.

Her husband has been a lightening rod of controversy, her choice in male campaign managers has been a true insight into her personal preferences and judgement and her own behavior and arrogance has fired up lots of negative responses along with a lot of intentional mis-direction.

Why is this a statement about "liberal men" who harbor deep sexist preferences? Why can't it just be a rejection of her personal lust for power and her inability to send a message of hope and optimism?

The Clintons just don't get it - and the fact that the Obama movement has survived all they can throw at it says something positive - not negative - about the movement itself.

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» RE: There IS mysogynistic crap Posted by: UnEasyOne
Gee...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Apr 18, 2008 9:31 AM   
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Does that mean support for Hillary is driven by racism?

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» RE: Gee... Posted by: writer7
» RE: Gee... Posted by: no1kstate
» RE: Gee... Posted by: Joshua Holland
another possibility
Posted by: comradebob on Apr 18, 2008 10:30 AM   
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I have no doubt that some males (and females) oppose HRC because of, consciously or not, gender. I have no doubt that some of both genders and most ethnicities oppose BO because of, consciously or not, ethnicity/pigmentation. Speaking for myself - 56, caucasian, middle-class, southern, lefty, male - I oppose HRC for the same reasons I voted for Nader in 1996 against WJC. In fact, I still have a higher opinion of HRC than of her spouse (which isn't saying much, granted). For some of us, it ain't the gender or the ethnicity - it's the DLC-ism, folks.

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Tired of stereotyping
Posted by: ohb0b on Apr 18, 2008 11:16 AM   
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Who should we support? I am a middle aged, white, male blue-collar union worker, so according to the chattering class, I should be a Clinton supporter. Maybe I'm being sexist?

But I have a college education, so I guess that puts me in the Obama camp. Good thing I'm white, or else people would accuse me of being racist.

My wife is a middle aged white woman, who didn't go past high school, so I guess she should also be a Clinton supporter... even though she is a white collar non-represented worker. (She is a delegate for Obama at the state caucus, traitor to her sex that she is.)

We also drink both beer and wine (OK, we don't drink watery American macro beers, so I guess that makes us "elite" and therefore Obama supporters.

But we quit wasting money on fancy espresso coffees and lattes, so we're squarely back in the Clinton crowd.

Neither one of is very religious, but we believe in God, so maybe we should switch sides altogether and become Republicans?

Point is, the Obama supporters we met at our local and district caucuses were a cross section of the electorate; young, older, black, white, hispanic, blue collar, white collar, church-going, agnostic, gay, straight, union members, small businessmen, and a surprising number of disenchanted Republicans.

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It's the War, Stupid!
Posted by: ceti on Apr 18, 2008 12:16 PM   
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I've had enough of these inane blog posts that try to lump entire demographics into particular behaviors or thought patterns. Moreover, they drag identity politics into the gutter, for what? Two very middle-of-the-road candidates?

What if most Americans want an end to the War? Want an end to Triangulation and Republican-lite politics? Want an end to sleazy corporate insider deals and influence peddling? Want an end to a belligerent attitude towards everyone and everything?

Hillary has politically embodied all these right-wing trends and her coterie of advisors are creepy enough to have scared away many long-time political allies.

I for one do not support her as she would be much more ready and willing to push the big red button. That's the truth of the matter.

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It Is The WAR!
Posted by: cwilsondrum on Apr 18, 2008 1:06 PM   
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Hillary's refusal to admit bad judgement,and her assinine attempts at being butch enough for the job are so transparent as to be childish. obama exibits none of this. the non-issue attacks by hillary and lying,are just what we don't need any more of . by the way, I've already had two careers and I stay at home with our 2 year old daughter. My wife is the breadwinner and I couldn't care less. She is a self-made success and doesn't ever act as if she is. who are we supposed to vote for?

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Feminist for Barack
Posted by: Urstrly on Apr 18, 2008 1:52 PM   
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As a feminist, I would never ignore the misogyny that underlies a large portion of our society and has reared its ugly head many times in this race. That said, I will not be railroaded into voting for someone who has been so duplicitous about her support for the war in Iraq (I speak as a constituent), who has taken all kinds of conciliatory positions towards the religious right, and who has encouraged rumors she knows are untrue about her opponent.

I don't buy that she had to do any of it, and it certainly doesn't line up with what I'd hope white feminists would encourage.

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Tired of this argument
Posted by: trampoline on Apr 18, 2008 3:09 PM   
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For one thing, I made the argument a long time ago that America could elect a black President before a female President. But that had more to do with my feeling about general reactionism than liberal sentiment.

On the other hand, this is such a shallow argument that it debases the person who furthers it. If "feminism is the radical notion that women are people too," why is it considered anti-feminist to admit that women can be all types of people ... including bad candidates?

In fact, to be fair, Hillary isn't even a bad candidate, she's just not the right candidate for this moment in our history. And to recognize that simple, objective fact does not make one sexist. It makes one observant.

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» RE: Tired of this argument Posted by: JimmyVaughan
To tell the truth
Posted by: UnEasyOne on Apr 18, 2008 5:58 PM   
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I have become a "Hillary hater" in recent months. (I've hated McCain for decades!)

I am kind of in a box of my own making here, since I promised in this and other forum not to tear down either candidate but to promote my own - so I won't get into why.

I will say this - I ain't alone.

If anybody thinks that is about sexism, so be it. Think what you want.

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» RE: To tell the truth Posted by: writer7
Some racists support Clinton and some sexists support Obama
Posted by: sliver on Apr 18, 2008 6:15 PM   
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Until you can quantify them, just leave it alone. It's not helping us decide who should be our President.

I like Clinton but I still have one question left unanswered by her supporters. I don't want to spend 36 years of my life (1981-2017) with a Bush or a Clinton in the White House. The same stupid arguments, the same stupid accusations, the same stupid arrogance. Even though the Clintons do a better job, I want my country run by extraordinary Americans who have attained the position in their own style, not by American royalty who have an inside track to the job. Obama is clearly an extraordinary American who has a fabulous vision for the country. I like Clinton's vision, her style, her personality, but I want Obama to be my president. I think Clinton vs. the Republicans would drag us back into the hole we are trying to get out of.

And it has absolutely nothing to do with sexism. I vote for a woman every chance I get. So stop saying that.

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is it the ism or the person?
Posted by: whealeydj on Apr 19, 2008 8:48 AM   
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like comradebob I am wary of HRC because of WJC and especially DLC. Obama started in 4th place with me after Kucinich, Edwards and Richardson, but like Robert Kennedy and Bill Clinton I think he has strong charisma that could get him elected. There is certainly sexism behind the antipathy toward Clinton but she earned some on her own. I think we democrats should give each other the benefit of doubt that we are supporting one because of their qualities not because we are closet racists or closet sexists. If Obama-Clinton not possible, I hope we will see Obama Schroeder or another healing coalition because Mccain will be tough to beat.

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I Know We Can
Posted by: bc430 on Apr 19, 2008 9:32 AM   
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bring the American Civil War to a decisive end in the year 2008.

Less than 60 men agreed and signed a document and the fecal matter hit the fan to initiate our imperfect union. Surely We The People can muster enough healthy brain cells, collective guts and singleness of purpose to lead ourselves out of our pitiful present deep un-civil hole, and into the light of responsibile respectibility in the eyes of a watching world. A world that has awarded us the Gold for Madness.

As part of a family that has done so much for our nation and received so little in return I and many like me are very tired of the worse taking advantage of the best, simply because we are programed and addicted to being polite.

It ain't about Gender...Hillary Clinton's or no other White woman femaleness. It ain't about Gender.

Ask thinking older Black men who in the sixties were all ready to thank their God and show their wives and children what great husbands and fathers they had always been ready to be. You see they just knew that the playing field at long last was leveled. And before they could say Affirmative Action here come White women in business suits carrying brief cases. Some crafty "libruls and P'gressives are also White racists and greedy too." Ouch!

The conservative women stayed home, baked cookies, homeschooled and stood under and behind their men who, in the name of Jesus, started "Christian" schools to prevent their lil White darlings from dating darkies. It's only truth y'all. The White libruls grabbed brief cases, dropped the wee ones off at day care @6am, and added another hundred grand to the household. Yuppie then Buppie emulation.

Women and White professional households benefited from Affirmative action more than Black men. Blue collar White males have been manipulated to believe that unqualified Black guys got their paychecks. BiPartisan White collar White guys in DC. did the manipulating and got everybody's paycheck. Watch your mailbox in May for a token "thank You for your service." (money laundering)

I know progressives and liberals will struggle to refute their role in waylaying the Black family and worsening the socio-economic reality of Black and White poor America, but all of racist White America's current attempts to derail President Barack Obama is but one more battle in our nation's protracted Civil War.

It always has been and still is, in the minds of those on the confederate or Neocon-federate side, all about BLACK Subjugation, for economics and cultrual sameness.

Some players are unwitting and some are witting. Mr. and Mrs Clinton are both witting and willing players on the Neocon-federate side of this twisted game. It is time to call this thing exactly what it is. This is not childish labeling, rather it is mature analysis of what is so.

I support Pres. Obama because of my love of my country and respect for human rights, not because he is tall, dark and handsome. I would support an equally qualified presidential candidate if she were a 4'11" Asisn or caucasion. So please take this gender crap and flush it.

American White Racism must end it's strangle hold on American govmt. and it's reign of terror around the world.

People of good will must get on the right side of right and stand and fight.

Children Are Watching.

Obama '08

Peace.

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» RE: I Know We Can Posted by: fratricide08