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"Boy" Is An Insult In The South

Posted by Amanda Marcotte, Pandagon at 12:54 PM on April 16, 2008.


And don't let Southerners deceive you on this point.
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Apparently, some people are asserting that calling someone "boy" (as Rep. Davis from Kentucky controversially did to Obama) is just friendly, buddy-buddy stuff in the South. I see no reason to concede that point. Now, I'm from Texas, which is not the Deep South, but we have our fair share of inbred rednecks spouting Southernisms (I'm like 40% redneck myself, and prone to saying things like "fixing to" and "all y'all"), and I have never heard any redneck ever call someone a "boy" without meaning it to demean that person. Every single time. Even when you call a bona fide boy "boy", it's about asserting your superiority over him. Even if it's used in a genial manner, it's still an insult. Like you see someone taking a piss outside and you're like, "Boy, what are you doing?"

There's the watered-down version, as well, which is "young man" or "young woman". It's still asserting authority over the person addressed as such, but unlike "boy" or "girl", it implies that the person addressed has some cognitive faculties, though minor and in need of correction. Like a kid who stayed out past curfew might get addressed as "young man/lady" while receiving a dressing down.

Then again, I'm far from Kentucky, so I asked a friend from a bordering state, and he said it's used in exactly the same manner in Kentucky as it is in Texas. Pam maybe could ring in and let us know how East Coast Southerners use the term, though I suspect it's in the exact same way. Which means quibbling over whether or not it's racist is ridiculous. Of course it is.

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Amanda Marcotte co-writes the popular blog Pandagon. She is the author of It's a Jungle Out There: The Feminist Survival Guide to Politically Inhospitable Environments.


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It all depends.
Posted by: Artkansas on Apr 16, 2008 3:02 PM   
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For a white man to call another white man a boy is nothing.

But yes, for a white man to call a black man a boy hearkens back to times of slavery.

I don't know what it means when a white man calls a white woman a boy though. ;-)

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» RE: It all depends. Posted by: creswell
» RE: It all depends. Posted by: no1kstate
» the rantings of a lunatic Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
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» RE: It all depends. Posted by: thealltheone
Deb
Posted by: debmcd on Apr 16, 2008 3:12 PM   
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To say this is anything but an insult is an insult. We all know exactly what is meant when a white Southerner calls an Afro-American boy. We weren't even allowed to say that in my house growing up because my parents knew it was the same as calling someone the N word or the P word. That southern white Congress person knew exactly what he was saying and it needs a great big appology.

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» Right on Deb and thanks Posted by: foreverhope
It's buddy-buddy stuff,
Posted by: Longdream on Apr 16, 2008 3:30 PM   
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if you're the person's buddy, and not some throwback who's nostaligic for Jim Crow.

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» RE: It's buddy-buddy stuff, Posted by: hermjo
» RE: There's high school. Posted by: Longdream
you better believe it
Posted by: jebpgh on Apr 16, 2008 3:47 PM   
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This isn't even open to debate. And particularly in the South (which last I looked will include Kentucky). No one refers to a man in his forties with a law degree from Harvard and a sitting US Senator as a "boy" unless the person saying it is so darn senile as to not know the difference.

This wasn't politically correct in 1875 and it isn't correct in 2008, period.

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Being from Kentucky...
Posted by: ekyprogressive on Apr 16, 2008 4:08 PM   
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Yes, he was being an ass.

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» RE: Being from Kentucky... Posted by: creswell
It's an insult, yes
Posted by: rickiey on Apr 16, 2008 6:23 PM   
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But it isn't a racist one. And insults, are not illegal, nor should they be.

Yes, yes, I've heard it a million times before "when it's a black, it's racist because of the HISTORY"

Sorry, history is history, and it isn't today.

If you let racists in history define what your speech means, then you are no better than they are.

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» RE: It's an insult, yes Posted by: Quannah
Indeed...an undefendisible labeling of "good ol' boy" does...
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Apr 16, 2008 8:40 PM   
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...carry a negative canotation in the south.

GWB, Clinton, Obama, McCain...all good ol' boys.

What the hell is wrong with calling a spoon a spoon, especially when he/she is spooning with special interests.

You know what...do what's good for you, but don't expect the rest of us to be stupid perpetually...that only works for three or four election (demobot/republicrat) cycles.

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» RE: Did he say Good Ol' Boy? Posted by: Longdream
Nah, it's an honorific...
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Apr 16, 2008 9:03 PM   
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...just look at good ol' boys like David Duke, Dollar Bill Jefferson, Mitch Landrieu, David Vitter, Clinton, Obama, etc.

You can't be a career politician without being a good ol' boy(gal). Hello?

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Kentucky
Posted by: fratricide08 on Apr 17, 2008 1:43 AM   
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...is a border state. It's funny how states become 'southern' when certain people don't like them.

As to boy... it depends a great deal on how it's used and the age of the user. There's a generational divide when it comes to race. Many of us, never grew up hearing these terms and have no baggage to bring to the table when we hear them. Others have had it used against them in racist ways or used them in racist ways themselves.

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South Georgian
Posted by: mystere2 on Apr 17, 2008 6:30 AM   
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I grew up in South Georgia of the 1950s. Totally segregated. Both Black and white folks used "boy" as a familiar term for any male. Blacks I knew called me boy and I returned it cheerfully. Adding "good ole" means you've known him a while. Southern males self-identify as "an old boy from..." It is subtle like Chinese pronunciation, it is how it is said. A small inflection, to which any Southern is attuned, can change it from familiarity to an insult, a taking of power. Southern officials would use this to speak in public so the words weren't bad, but the message was clearly delivered.

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leftbank
Posted by: markw4786 on Apr 17, 2008 7:30 AM   
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Oh stop it, "boy is an insult?" Not true. Point of fact, it's a term of endearment used in third world states like, well like, Amerika's bible belt towards Blacks. Even God calls them boy. All bible reading , God fearing Christians know that.
See ya in church y'all...Amen!

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Obama transends race
Posted by: thealltheone on Apr 17, 2008 8:09 AM   
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And Rep. Davis owes us all an apology and I am white from Texas.

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"Boy" directed to a grown man is an insult. Period.
Posted by: Linda in VT on Apr 17, 2008 8:14 AM   
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Like the writer, I grew up in Texas. My East-Texas-bred (white) father, as well as his Houston-born friend who became my mother's second husband after my father died, always addressed black men as "boy" or by their first names, and the insult was deliberate. My father (I learned many years later) did not believe that African-Americans (he didn't use that term, of course) were fully human. These men did not, and I mean NOT, call each other "boy," even in fun. The familiar address was "buddy" or "son" or something of the sort.
Any Southerner of the Congressman's age who hears "boy" applied to a black man freezes; we know what's up. (And let it also be said: in the pre-Civil Rights era there was no such thing as a black "man" in the South. Such a person was, at best, a "Negro" or "colored man," more usually (though seldom in print) the other n-word, but the dignity of being called a "man" was, except in the phrase "colored man," reserved for whites.)

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A suggestion for Rep. Davis
Posted by: hurricane hugo on Apr 17, 2008 9:53 AM   
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There's a Taco Bell/KFC at McNichols(aka 6 Mile) and Dequindre, less than half a mile east of I-75 in Detroit. Go in there and call the first adult black man you see "boy".
Find out just how un-racist it is. Oh, and let us know when you're gonna do it; I wanna have a videocamera rolling.

I double-dog dare you, motherfucker.

jdfu!

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» RE: A suggestion for Rep. Davis Posted by: Longdream