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Brits in the Gulf: What we're not being told.

Posted by Barry Lando at 7:33 AM on March 28, 2007.


Barry Lando: The conflict is not at all black and white -- though you wouldnt know it listening to our mainstream media.

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As always, our mainstream media is loath to reporting all sides to a dispute that is far more complex than our leaders let on.

Despite Tony Blair’s adamant denial that the 15 British sailors and marines captured by the Iranians were intruding in Iranian waters, Commodore Nick Lambert, who headed the British naval task force, was by no means as categorical:
“There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that they were in Iraqi territorial waters.” He said, but then—in a statement he probably now regrets– he continued : “Equally, the Iranians may well claim that they were in their territorial waters. The extent and definition of territorial waters in this part of the world is very complicated”.

Britain’s former Ambassador to Uzbekistan, Craig Murray, who has become a vocal critic of the war in Iraq, after citing Commodore Lambert’s statement wrote, “Before people get too carried away, the following is worth bearing in mind. I write as a former Head of the Maritime Section of the Foreign and Commonwealth Office. The Iranians claimed the British soldiers had strayed into Iranian territorial waters. If they had, then the Iranians had every right to detain them for questioning.

“The difficulty is that the maritime delimitation in the North West of the Persian Gulf, between Iraq, Kuwait and Iran, has never been resolved. It is not therefore a question of just checking your GPS to see where you are. This is a perfectly legitimate dispute, in which nobody is particularly at fault….

“There is nothing outlandish about Iranian claims, and we have no right in law to be boarding Iranian or other shipping in what may well be Iranian waters.

“The UN Convention on the Law of The Sea carries a heavy presumption on the right of commercial vessels to “innocent passage”, especially through straits like Hormuz and in both territorial and international waters. You probably won’t read this elsewhere in these jingoistic times but, in international law, we are very probably in the wrong. As long as the Iranians neither mistreat our Marines nor wilfully detain them too long, they have the right.”

Murray also advises the Iranians to speedily release the captured sailors. The issue, however, will be even more difficult to resolve if indeed, the capture of the Brits was connected to the on-going detention of 5 Iranians from the elite al-Quds brigade of Iran’s Revolutionary Guards. The London-based Arabic newspaper Al- Sharq al-Answat quoted an unnamed military source “close to” the al-Quds brigade as saying the seizure of the two-boat British patrol had been planned at a high level days in advance.

The aim, said the report, was to take captives to exchange for the senior al-Quds officers arrested by US forces in Irbil, in Northern Iraq on January 11, 2007.
According to another report an Iranian diplomat claimed he had been told that the five would be released prior to the Iranian New Year. They were not.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, Iraqi authorities have also been asking for Americans to release the captured Iranians. Kurdish authorities, who condemned the arrests, claimed the al-Quds officers were operating with the approval of the local Kurdish government..

If the U.S. indeed has evidence that those al-Quds officers were engaged in nefarious activities—why don’t they present that evidence? They’ve been holding them now since January.

Problem now, of course, is to find a solution that will provide the Iranians, the Brits and the Americans a face saving way out of a confrontation that risks escalating into a much more serious crisis–a crisis that would be welcomed extremists in both Washington and Tehran.

For more, see "Fake British Map?" HERE.

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Barry Lando, a former 60 Minutes producer, is the author of "Web of Deceit: The History of Western Complicity in Iraq from Churchill to Kennedy to George W. Bush." He also blogs at Barrylando.com.


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So, now it starts...
Posted by: Rathan47 on Mar 28, 2007 8:20 AM   
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A new "Gulf of Tonkin" anyone? How stupid do they take us for?

Excuse me for being cynical, but here comes the start of the Iranian invasion. This is just the perfect excuse, because it allows the US to say they didn't really play a role in it. The British "accidentally" enter Iranian waters getting themselves taken into custody for boarding an Iranian ship. The British can argue the fact they were in Iraqi water, making the Iranians looks the part of the instigator.

They've backed Iran into a corner here. Iran can't just hand these men back and walk away with their tails tucked between their legs, because to do so would be a huge display of weakness, and a challenge to what they claim is their sovereign territory. They would of course have to back off that claim if they release the men early.

No, I pray I'm wrong, but I suspect that Britain will be the one to push this forward, allowing the US to help "support" their ally. It would allow Bush & Co the in they want, without having to play the #1 bad guy.

We can only hope that Iran manages to find a way to wiggle out...

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» RE: So, now it starts... Posted by: edraven
» RE: So, now it starts... Posted by: Basenjis
» RE: So, now it starts... Posted by: rinthy
» RE: So, now it starts...rinthy Posted by: Basenjis
No doubt in my mind
Posted by: bettyn on Mar 28, 2007 10:40 AM   
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that Bush is playing with fire again. If this incident becomes another "Gulf of Tonkin", then it's time (finally) for this administration to be removed from power. We simply cannot put anymore pressure on our military by opening up another theater in this so-called "war against terror". We would need a DRAFT to even begin to have enough soldiers to fight such a conflict. I wonder if Bush isn't waiting until the current college semester ends before reinstating this draft, because if he does it now, our campuses will EXPLODE as they did back when I was in college.

I am amazed that the British government continues to go along with this administration's cynical manipulation of events for the benefit of its military industrial complex. Don't they have something like a vote of "no confidence" in their leaders to stop this? (God, I wish we had that option! We need to get rid of at least four Supreme Court justices along with Bush/Cheney. These clowns should be ELECTED, not appointed!)

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» RE: No doubt in my mind Posted by: syberberg
In related news...
Posted by: lessbread on Mar 28, 2007 6:58 PM   
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Russian intelligence sees U.S. military buildup on Iran border Russian military intelligence services are reporting a flurry of activity by U.S. Armed Forces near Iran's borders, a high-ranking security source said Tuesday.

Iran presses oil customers to pay in currencies other than dollars Zhuhai Zhenrong Trading, a Chinese state-run company that is the biggest buyer of Iranian crude oil worldwide, began paying for its oil in euros late last year as Tehran moved to diversify its foreign exchange reserves away from U.S. dollars.

L'Iran serait attaqué début avril (experts militaires russes) [Iran would be attacked at the beginning of April (Russian military experts)] Selon l'hebdomadaire russe Argoumenty nedeli, une action militaire se déroulera au cours de la première semaine d'avril, avant les Pâques catholique et orthodoxe (cette année elles sont célébrées le 8), lorsque l' "opinion occidentale" sera en congé. Il se peut aussi que l'Iran soit frappé le vendredi 6, jour férié dans les pays musulmans. D'après le schéma américain, ce sera une frappe d'un seul jour qui durera 12 heures, de 4 heures de matin à 16 heures d'après-midi. Le nom de code de l'opération est à ce jour "Bite" en anglais (Morsure). Une vingtaine d'installations iraniennes devraient être touchées. A leur nombre, des centrifugeuses d'enrichissement d'uranium, des centres d'études et des laboratoires. Mais le premier bloc de la centrale nucléaire de Bouchehr ne sera pas touché. Par contre, les Américains neutraliseront la DCA, couleront plusieurs bâtiments de guerre iraniens dans le Golfe et détruiront les postes clefs de commandement des forces armées. [According to the Russian weekly magazine Argoumenty nedeli, a military action will proceed during the first week of April, before Easter catholic and orthodoxe (this year they are celebrated the 8), when the "Western opinion" is on leave. It may be also that Iran is struck Friday 6, public holiday in the Moslem countries. According to the American diagram, it will be a striking of only one day which will last 12 hours, 4 hours of morning to 16 hours of afternoon. The code name of the operation is to date "English Cock" (Bite). A score of Iranian installations should be touched. With their number, centrifugal machines of uranium enrichment, centers of studies and laboratories. But the first block of the nuclear thermal power station of Bouchehr will not be touched. On the other hand, the Americans will neutralize the DCA, will run several Iranian buildings of war in the Gulf and will destroy the key positions of command of the armed forces.]

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bigtime
Posted by: pnut on Mar 28, 2007 8:58 PM   
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Mr. Bush & Co, have done it again, they have got us and the news media talking about borders, was the brits in nuteral waters? Mr Blair knew where the borders were . What the hell are they doing that close any way. We all know Mr. Bush and Mr. Tony did this so they can get us in a war with Iran and the news media reports all day about the dispute of the borders. They Mr. Bush and Co knew what they were doing, and our news media will not report what we know, so what the big deal? If our news media would tell the truth about this we would not go to war over this. Our leaders do us this way year after year and we just keep on keeping on, and the news media lets them get away with it. (WILL SOME BODY PLEASE HELP US) Bill Davidson

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Interesting Move by Iran
Posted by: Rathan47 on Mar 29, 2007 5:07 AM   
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Well, the Iranian government made the only move it could, really. It made a goodwill gesture by remarking they would release the female sailor in a few days, and will release the rest as soon as Britain acknowledges that they were in Iranian waters.

Unfortunately, that will not happen I suspect. There's just no way that the British government will eat a little crow on this, especially since I suspect this whole situation is entirely engineered. I think the sailors were put in this position on purpose, knowing full well what would happen. It's almost the perfect stalemate. Iran can't back down without looking weak, and neither can the UK. Something has to give, and with an impetus towards attack, you can bet the UK/US will act, and damn soon. The proposed attack by Easter is starting to look scarily prophetic.

Did anyone happen to catch the US reply to Britain that the they have the US's full support in this? Duh!

Tick...tock...tick...tock...

Clock is running folks...

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The old news becomes new news. . .
Posted by: freerain on Mar 29, 2007 6:11 AM   
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I learned that the USS Eisenhouer was being "deployed" to the Gulf in October. Of course it was for issues with Iran. The government's guies of "war games" was true and honest. . . they see this whole mess as a F**K*NG GAME! Too many times I hear the reference to sport in this war and other offenses, but it isn't a GAME they are playing, it is life and death for millions and the world as we know it is in the balance. Do you want a nuclear polluted world to live in?

The Brits have manners, not like the curde cowboy bravado that bush and co embrace. Maybe the Brits will use this to keep out of a conflict with Iran and curb US hegemony. I hope for peace but have my doubts.

Peace for all,
Freerain

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The next incident will be
Posted by: TruthBeTold on Mar 29, 2007 1:44 PM   
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Bush/Cheney operatives blowing up an American ship under the dark of night, killing someone's sons, daughters, mother and fathers. This will be the defining incident to attack Iran. The 15 British soldiers are just collateral damage.

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Look, I'm no more eager for war with Iran than the other posters
Posted by: UnEasyOne on Mar 29, 2007 6:21 PM   
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But it doesn't seem to occurred to any of you that the Iranians could simply release the Brits if they wanted to defuse the situation. Then they could suggest low level talks to settle the boundery issues. That would immediatly defuse the situation. Maybe Iran doesn't want to defuse the situation. Maybe they are being deliberately provocative. Understand, I do not deny that Bush is spoiling for a fight. Still, the kuds were rounded up in response to alledged increased Iranian involvment, particularly in bombmaking and training. Tensions are high because Iran is in defiance of International law over it's renegade nuclear program. I don't like to carry water for this insane administration - but the picture is not as one-sided as it is being presented here.

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How do we know for sure?
Posted by: fedupw/bush on Mar 29, 2007 8:31 PM   
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WE don't have a news media, here that could tell the truth if it wanted to ! We don't know anything about what is really happening over there ,we are feed whatever bush & co want us to have ! Even if the Irans wanted to have talks, bush would NEVER agree to it because, He has to go to war with Iraq! There is no way he would ever want to get out of Iraq,with all that oil money & feilds at stake !

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