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Rumsfeld Blames the Generals for Poor Pre-War Planning

Posted by Satyam Khanna, Think Progress at 10:57 AM on May 9, 2008.


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In February 2003, Gen. Eric Shinseki famously predicted that "several hundred thousand" troops would be needed for post-war hostilities in Iraq. According to documents recently released by the Pentagon in response to The New York Times's expose on its propaganda program, however, Donald Rumsfeld claimed in a 2006 briefing that the reason why he did not support a larger invasion force was because commanders did not request it:

RUMSFELD: Now, it turns out he [Shinkseki] was right. The commanders - you guys ended up wanting roughly the same as you had for the major combat operation, and that's what we have. There is no damned guidebook that says what the number ought to be. We were queued up to go up to what, 400-plus thousand.

Q: Yes, they were already in queue.

RUMSFELD: They were in the queue. We would have gone right on if they'd wanted them, but they didn't, so life goes on.

In reality, Rumsfeld fought back when generals like Shinseki requested more troops. He said in 2003 that Shinseki was "far from the mark." As McClatchy reported in 2004, "Central Command originally proposed a force of 380,000 to attack and occupy Iraq. Rumsfeld's opening bid was about 40,000. ... By September 2003, Rumsfeld and his aides thought, there would be very few American troops left in Iraq."

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Nice Picture
Posted by: Love Me, I'm a Liberal on May 9, 2008 11:03 AM   
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Picture says a thousand words. :) What an idiot, all he cares about is how much profit his companies will make because of the war.

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Do these guys EVER
Posted by: JSquercia on May 9, 2008 11:30 AM   
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Do these guys EVER take Responsibility for their decisions ? It certainly appears as if the answer is NO

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» RE: Do these guys EVER Posted by: Sissy
» RE: Do these guys EVER Posted by: wal55
» RE: Do these guys EVER Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Do these guys EVER Posted by: Longdream
Rumsfeld
Posted by: zipper696 on May 9, 2008 11:43 AM   
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We can only hope he dies in disgrace and ignominy for what he put brave young American through.

People worldwide should boycott any appearances by this chickenhawk warrior, especially those he's receiving a big fee for.

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» Rumsfeld -his book Posted by: zipper696
"SO LIFE GOES ON"
Posted by: VZEQICVA on May 9, 2008 12:01 PM   
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Really? Newsflash Rummy, not for everyone. So who's to blame? Anyone who didn't loudly object and resign if the plan to invade Iraq went forward. First on the list is Colin Powell. It's a very long list and gets longer everyday. The wrong people are in Guantanamo. We should empty it out and fill it with all the people who thought this was such a wonderful idea. Somehow you people have to pay your dues. Thanks, ANNA

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» Amen to this. Posted by: thekidde
Poor Rummy...
Posted by: CanuckKid on May 9, 2008 1:32 PM   
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He looks so hard-done-by - those bad ol' generals...

He sounds like the stereotypical politician in the business of war profiteering - make a big mess, overcharge the taxpayer for cleaning it up, and then blame the whole schemozzle on the professional soldiers...

Historical revisionism for the purposes of covering one's own butt for posterity must be exhausting work. He'd better get used to it though: he'll need to do a lot more of it before history forgives him for this fiasco (and hopefully history never will).

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Rube
Posted by: Fishbone Soldier on May 9, 2008 1:57 PM   
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Is there a bigger asshole on the planet than Donald Rumsfeld? Is there a bigger asshole in history than Donald Rumsfeld? Honestly, I'm hard-pressed to think of anyone more assholic. Just a huge fucking asshole. Asshole.

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» RE: Lube Posted by: Longdream
Lobotomy may be the only procedure appropriate...
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on May 9, 2008 2:50 PM   
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Rumsfeld needs a Lobotomy..


It's for his own good..!

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» Oh! Oh! Pick Me...! Posted by: CanuckKid
» RE: Oh! Oh! Pick Me...! Posted by: Doubtom
» Go right ahead... Posted by: CanuckKid
So Rumsfeld's a fu*king liar - big deal, so is everyone in the Bush
Posted by: thekidde on May 9, 2008 4:20 PM   
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administration lead by the biggest liar of all - shithead.

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Hang him for treason
Posted by: cwilsondrum on May 9, 2008 5:28 PM   
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the motherfucker deserves it.

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Good freaking grief!
Posted by: Longdream on May 9, 2008 5:33 PM   
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I don't have agida enough? I have to see this pig molester's gray face again? He's the only man I've ever seen who's going to look better after he's dead.

Was it my fertile imagination, or did every proposed Commander in the God-forgotten Pentagon say, "This is a baaad idea. You can't do it with that number of troops."? But they kept on shuffling through the personnel files, ladies and gentlemen, and when they finally found themselves one Tommy Franks, who was willing to say, "Looks ok to me!", they had their General!

Fifty cents and a cold Pepsi will get you a naked roll with any one of these guys if you could keep your gorge from blowing and weren't afraid of deadly, dripping diseases.

So help me, but they're evil.

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Since this country is lax in doing what is right let the Disturbed...
Posted by: Turiye on May 9, 2008 9:10 PM   
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..Rummy go to Germany, bad choice, warrant for War Crimes. Hmm, France, bzzzzzzzz, Warrant for Torture all for poor lil donny. Let the EU get his ass at least they have the balls to to what is just since Congress(except Dennis)cowtow to the Murderer in Chief and the Evil-Doer.
Hang 'em high, Amen.

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it's the generals that really bother me
Posted by: e rice on May 10, 2008 10:21 AM   
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politicians are usually not expected to be military experts.

west point and anapolis supposedly turn out well-trained officers with knowledge of military history and ancient and modern tactics and strategy.

the officers also swear to their duty to this country, not to the highest bidder.

so, what did the highest ranking officers in this country do? refuse to fight without sufficient men and materiel? demand that the constitutional rules for fighting a foreign war be followed?

demand decent equipment and medical care for the troops they, and i use the word loosely, led? mongolia is a poor country, but the troops they sent to iraq were better equipped than the american. who was the officer who replied to the question about decent armor by saying that american troops weren't interested in having decent armor?

give the soldiers the same loyalty they expect from the soldiers?

tell americans the truth?

resign in protest?

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When you run out of compliant four-star generals,
Posted by: Doubtom on May 12, 2008 7:09 AM   
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You pick a third rate three-star general and promote him. This way you've got yourself a very willing slave. Petraeus is an inexperienced and vastly overrated general officer, with most of his appointments being desk jobs until the first Iraq "so-called" war. He saw what little combat he can claim, as a two-star general and anyone who has experienced combat knows only too well how close to actual combat a two-star general gets. He's all show and no go. I've served for 30 years plus and have never seen such a phony-decorated officer and I've seen quite a few hypocrites. Those in the know will want to know when exactly he earned that "combat' badge that tops his many medals/ribbons. As I said, general officers get very little opportunity to earn that badge and he obviously didn't rate it until he first saw combat as a general. I assume he was somewhere near, "in the vicinity",(within a mile or two, perhaps) of a combat operation, as is the case with most of these damn phonies. The same holds true for his Bronze Star, which is the single most abused and degraded award to come out of the so-called Vietnam war.
The correct description of Petraeus, with his medal bedecked blouse is, "poppinjay". Our military is starting to look like the old Soviet veterans who had medals from their adam's apple to their kneecaps.
It's all very pathetic and reflective of a military which is having a hell of a hard time recruiting and retaining cannon fodder.
It is a common sight nowadays for our enlisted personnel to sport three or four rows of ribbons and they have yet to even leave the country.

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Yes, hang him for treason..........
Posted by: tap17x on May 12, 2008 10:07 AM   
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...........and war crimes. And let's include Bushit, Cheney, Rice, Feith, Wolfie, and anyone else who advocated an unprovoked war. Hang them in public and on TV. Make their families watch. Or throw them in solitary and use them for AIDS experiments. Sounds nasty, right? But consider what THEY have done to thousands of innocents while they sit comfortably and safely at home. This bullshit (unnecessary war) must stop.

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I met him once
Posted by: robbie.seal on May 22, 2008 2:11 PM   
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When I was a cadet, I met Mr Rumsfeld and listened to him speak. This was long before Pres Bush took office and Rumsfeld was "Just and Enron employee"... I thought he reminded me of a used car salesman. GEN Shinseki stood by his troop request and was shunned by the admin because he wouldn't tow the line. He left the service of his country instead of doing something he knew would cost more US lives. Now we see he was right. Rummy did not accept troop requests above what he wanted, therefore he gets to say they didn't ask for more troops. To the Generals that did what they knew to be wrong in order to get that next star, shame on you. You did not do what leaders are supposed to do. You did not stand for what is right, and you did not take care of your troopers.

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