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Civil War Emerges at Fox News: ‘We Don’t F*cking Torture’ vs. ‘Torture, My Ass’

Posted by Satyam Khanna, Think Progress at 8:30 AM on April 24, 2009.


Sean Hannity volunteers to be waterboarded for charity.

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Since President Obama released the Bush administration's OLC torture memos, several Fox News pundits have launched unrelenting, full-throated defenses of torture. Bill O'Reilly dismissed waterboarding yesterday, saying, "Torture, my ass." Also yesterday, Sean Hannity volunteered to be waterboarded for charity (those who have tried it have found it to be rather unpleasant):

GRODIN: We can waterboard you?

HANNITY: Sure.

GRODIN: Are you busy on Sunday?

HANNITY: I'll do it for charity. ... I'll let you do it. I'll do it for the troops' families.

Surprisingly, Fox is not all pro-torture. In fact, there are a handful of pundits who are speaking out against torture at the right-wing network. In multiple segments over the past few days, Shep Smith has been ripping the idea of government-sanctioned torture. "We are America. We don't torture. And the moment that is not the case, I want off the train!" he declared Wednesday afternoon. Yesterday, in Fox's Strategy Room, which was only aired on the web, Smith's anger culminated in an explosion:

SMITH: WE ARE AMERICA! I DON'T GIVE A RAT'S ASS IF IT HELPS. WE ARE AMERICA! WE DO NOT FUCKING TORTURE! WE DON'T DO IT!

Fox News's Trace Gallagher responded, "I'm not saying whether torture is right or wrong. I'm not going there." Watch it (at roughly 3:00):

Smith isn't alone. Judge Andrew Napolitano ("The Judge") -- a staunch conservative -- said in the Strategy Room that the memos "are so fraught with disregarding volumes of law." This week, he wrote a scathing critique of the Bush administration's legal reasoning. "This is not rocket science and it is not art. Everyone knows torture when they see it," he wrote, decrying the "illegal horror," "moral antipathy," and the memos' "attack at core American values."

Furthermore, Fox contributor and former New York Times reporter Judy Miller said yesterday that "enhanced interrogation techniques" are "Orwellian. It's Orwellian for torture." It remains to be seen which faction will come out on top in this Fox News civil war.

Digg!

Satyam Khanna is a Research Associate for The Progress Report and ThinkProgress.org at the Center for American Progress.


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HERE'S THE DEAL SEAN
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Apr 24, 2009 8:59 AM   
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First let me commend you on your offer to be waterboarded for charity. What a Guy! But lets play by the REAL rules. You are unexpectedly taken from your home by force, by strangers. You're blindfolded, thrown into a van by several men who don't speak English but are definitely not your friends. You don't know know where you are or where you're going. Suddenly the reality sets in. You are terrified. You pee your pants, they notice and laugh at you. You get kicked a few times. After a rough ride, the van stops. The kidnappers are unaware of your waterboarding terms. You're stuck with their rules. You cry alot and plead with them. You're terrified. They don't understand a word you're saying, so they find it all very amusing. Then the fun begins. Sean Sweetie, what you're proposing is not the real thing. Now just write a generous check to the charity and stop looking foolish. Thanks, ANNA

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» RE: HERE'S THE DEAL SEAN Posted by: seaoftears
» RE: HERE'S THE DEAL SEAN Posted by: BulldogRedeemer
» RE: HERE'S THE DEAL SEAN Posted by: Quannah
» RE: HERE'S THE DEAL SEAN Posted by: bill3
"Send Money." "Just Say Where!"
Posted by: Lilly on Apr 24, 2009 10:01 AM   
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Keith Olbermann ran footage of Hannity volunteering to be waterboarded for charity then immediately said, "OK, you're on. How does $1000 a second sound?". Well, Keith is richer than I am and I can't afford that much, but I am very willing, in fact am eager, drooling at the thought, champing at the bit, jumping up and down, counting the minutes, can't wait, to make a contribution to such a good cause. Please notify me immediately where I can direct my check. And do let us all know when this event will be televised. Possibly on the Glenn Beck Show? Then Beck will take a turn? This only gets better.

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Life in Machiavelliville
Posted by: Lilly on Apr 24, 2009 10:11 AM   
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Does anyone else see a parallel here?

1) We (the United States government) don't care if torture is against international laws and treaties to which we have agreed; we are going to do it anyway because we feel it will accomplish our ends.

2) We (the credit card industry) don't care if we agreed to contracts with clients that set interest on their unpaid balance at 12%. Screw that. Now we are increasing that to 29%: we need more profit and believe that this measure will accomplish our ends.

(And, in a much smaller way, how about this: a couple of years ago I signed a two-year contract with a cell phone company that specified equipment, terms of use, and cost. Six weeks later I got a phone call saying they were changing equipment, terms of use, and cost. When I said, "But I have a contract!" they said, "But we are doing this for business reasons". Oh.)

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» RE: Life in Machiavelliville Posted by: BulldogRedeemer
» RE: Life in Machiavelliville Posted by: Quannah
266 waterboardings like khalid?
Posted by: tazdelaney on Apr 24, 2009 12:29 PM   
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sean hannity, i appreciate your offer to be tortured for charity. i highly suggest you submit today for a month of 266 waterboardings as the DoD has admitted was given to khalid, who then 'confessed.' in the initial reports, he was said to have confessed after just minutes of waterboarding but what that official failed to mintion that it was several thousands of minutes. after thousands of hours of your waterboarding 266 times, you can get up and tell us it really isn't torture. how about some electrodes attached to your genitals? how about a continuous ice-cold enema in public?

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» Now here's a thought ... Posted by: harryf200
what I don't get...
Posted by: babs on Apr 24, 2009 1:44 PM   
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... is the comment at the end where Grodin said that if Hannity wasn't a Jewish man like himself, that he'd have a problem with him.

WTF does being Jewish have to do with support for torture??? Or if a member of your club commits a heinous crime, it's ok?

weird.

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Yes, waterboard him
Posted by: Jeanne on Apr 24, 2009 9:36 PM   
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I would donate to a worthy cause to have Hannity waterboarded. As long as it's done by experts. Wouldn't want any fake or ineffective torture going on. I don't want to watch. Just tell me when it's over and what "truths" Hannity admits to -- I could think of a few admissions I'd like him to make, whether they're true or not.

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» RE: Yes, waterboard him Posted by: harryf200
» RE: But... Posted by: Sister_Lauren
Hannity's holier than thou patriotic America
Posted by: tmullins on Apr 25, 2009 1:02 AM   
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sure isn't My America.

http://www.wisecountyissues.com/?p=138

He's a chicken shit blow hard.

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Hannity, let the taliban do it
Posted by: wagner on Apr 25, 2009 4:26 AM   
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O.K. Mr. Hannity, go to the war zone, get captured by the insurgents and allow them to do it on you, to make a video of the event and to show it on their website.

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Shepard Smith
Posted by: Carol Burns on Apr 25, 2009 6:39 AM   
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One voice of sanity in the Fox Asylum. Time to look for a new job, Mr. Smith. I think you might have a future in REAL NEWS...

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Good Violence versus Bad Violence
Posted by: clvngodess on Apr 25, 2009 8:37 AM   
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Is this how we are going to continue to define this? It's amusing in a sick way to see this Hannity claim he's got the cajones to be waterboarded. I for one am a devout coward.

But when are we as a society going to stop justifying acts of violence with the titles of good or bad? It's fucking torture, and it's violent. Period. What don't we get about this? Why do we enjoy the violence so very much?

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Sean Hannity, The Blow Hard
Posted by: AlteredStates on Apr 25, 2009 9:05 AM   
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Yeah, Sean, get yourself water boarded...the CIA way, or the way they do it in Thailand, not the way they would do it if you were doing a mere demonstration.

You chicken shit motherfucker; you chicken hawk; it's easy to shoot your mouth off while sitting behind a desk and fantasizing about being water boarded. You and all the other "Snooze Men" at Fox Snooze are phonies and cowards. If you want to know what real torture is all about, talk to Bob Baer, he had his fingernails pulled out. And, he couldn't call for a time out when the pain became overwhelming. The only protection you have when being tortured is, you pass out from the pain. That, is only a respite, but it helps. I can tell just by looking in your eyes that you have never been through something like water boarding or worse. So, cut the shit, Sean, and do the only thing you are good at, talking!!!

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Could it be
Posted by: willymack on Apr 25, 2009 11:20 AM   
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That there are actually some decent, principled people at fox niose? Stranger things have happened.

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BulldogRedemer
Posted by: BulldogRedeemer on Apr 25, 2009 12:20 PM   
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Let us define "torture" first, and compare it to that of the Islamic terrorist (extremities and head removal), Japanese in WWII (lighted bamboo sticks beneath finger nails, pulling out finger nails), and the North Koreans, North Vietnamese (electric shock to the gonads, hanging for hours by your armpits), KGB (slowly pushing a person into a blast furnace feet first), etc. Rate waterboarding and caterpillars in room with the aforementioned on a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being the worst. See the results. Be honest now. Then ask yourself if you had a fanatic killer in your grasp, whose partner was about to kill your little girl or wife, what would you do get him to tell you where they were so you could save them? -----Nuts!

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» RE: BulldogRedemer Posted by: Quannah
» RE: BulldogRedemer Posted by: harryf200
» Seems like old times. Posted by: xvictor
Here's the real deal, Seanny boy
Posted by: dkm on Apr 26, 2009 6:14 PM   
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To start off with, you get slapped around a while just to loosen things up. Then you get hung by your wrists in shackles and 40F water is thrown on you with a fan going. This keeps going until you decide to sign a statement saying it never happened.

Before you go onto the board, you sign a statement absolving your torturers of all responsibility for any damage that may occur. Then the people who waterboard you are people that really don't like you and would have no problems if you didn't happen to survive. Then if you do survive, they get to slam you against a wall a couple times until they feel like quitting. After that you have to spend the next six years in a little dog cage like your buddy Mitt carries on the top of his car. And oh, yes. The toilet paper is saturated with pepper spray.

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A note on winger psychology
Posted by: Perry Logan on Apr 27, 2009 3:14 AM   
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As you've probably noticed, conservatives mistake meanness for toughness.

Conservatives in America believe that doing and saying mean things proves you're tough or makes you tough in some way.

This explains the Right's fondness for guns. Gun guys honest-to-God think they're macho guys because they have guns. You can tell by the tone and rhetoric of pro-gun people. They are mostly aging white males, after all.

This psychological confusion underlies a lot of winger behavior and activity--their obscene and pathological rhetoric, their love of fascist dictators, their fondness for covert activity and dirty tricks, and the approval of torture.

I once visited a lovely right-wing blog called "Shoot a Liberal." Of course, this is very typical right-wing sh*t. Wingers hate their fellow Americans and love to threaten and demean them. But it's all talk.

Right-wingers love to declare "war" on liberals--but never to their faces. ;)

This bizarre psychological glitch explains many things about the Right in America. They are cowards--a large group of aging white males, craven to the core, who are covering up the fact by saying nasty things and approving of cruel actions, such as torture.

What we saw in the recent Fox episode was a rare instance of recidivistic moralism, extremely rare amongst this degenerate clan. This may be the first episode ever caught on film.

Busload of Faith

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Only supporters of Torture Wear it around their necks
Posted by: Purple Girl on Apr 27, 2009 6:03 AM   
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Interesting that those who are more likely to justify these methods are those who wear the Romans beloved form of Torture and Murder around their necks.
Being a LONG recovered Catholic, If find the 'he died for Our sins' excuse to don a Cruxifix an abomination. Has none of these so called 'Faithfuls' recognized the 'Stress Positioning' techniques in those Picutres? Do they not see the similarity in the Torment used to gain confessions or submissions eerily akin to those methods used to break Christ, mentally & physically.What person of true reverence could possibly condone such acts against another- a Divine 'Son of God' or not.
We have yet to find out what went on in those "Black Site Prisons" will we find the countries who practice torture routinely have incorporated methods far more heinous? Actually did Kill prisoners in 'Our name' or in the name of 'security'. Security of the State and the Church have been used throughout history to justify mans inhumanity to man- Including the Romans and the Hierarchy of the Jewish Temple (along with the Catholics and Protestants centuries later).
When in Gods Name will we stop commiting the same sins we have repeatedly perpetrated over the last Two millenia?If you must torture and Kill to protect your Religion or your State, you have lost the Moral High ground, thus are no better than those you condemn.
If you must beat or kill to prove your worth, you are unworthy.

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