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Iraq would have been a disaster even if it had been based on noble intentions

Posted by Joshua Holland at 9:17 PM on May 15, 2006.


Ignore the prattle of armchair warriors who claim to be "liberal interventionists." Even if we had the best intentions, the war wasn't sold on a pack of lies and everything had gone perfectly, invading Iraq would still have been a catastrophe.
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It’s tragic that we live in a country where we even have to debate whether we should go to war for anything short of absolute necessity. But we do; it’s the reality of our political culture.

The question's been debated in the comments of this post, after a reader asked if “self interested war [is] necessarily wrong?”

Let's assume the primary strategic purpose of the War in Iraq was to [further] America's economic self interest. Let's also assume that when the decision to go to War was made, it was reasonable to project that life for the average Iraqi would be better after the American led invasion than under Hussein. Under these assumptions, why is it necessarily wrong, ie immoral, to invade?
After 9/11, this has become a fairly common question, and it needs to be answered firmly or we run the risk of ushering in a particularly bloody era of almost permanent warfare.

I responded that we could go further and, for the sake of argument, say that those assumptions were, in fact, true. Because Iraq would have been a disaster even if it had been based on noble intentions and everything had gone perfectly:

The U.S. is a hegemonic power. Our actions create precedents that other countries can follow in the future. We shape international law, which is an important but very, very weak thing.
We've changed the standard from "war as a last resort" to war when it's in our self interest, as long as we assume that it'll make "life better" for the target population. That rolls back international law and international norms to before World War II, before Nuremburg made wars of aggression illegal.
Similarly, American administrations create precedents for their successors in the future. George Bush has changed the standard by which presidents can claim the right to go to war in the same way I described above. And while I'm stipulating that those assumptions were made in good faith in this instance -- for the sake of this argument -- even within that framework, there's no gauarante that future presidents (or other countries) would act in good faith when they claim that their invasion is not only for their own interest, but also to make the target population's lives better. All they have to do is claim it.
Iraq didn’t meet the criteria by which sovereignty -- the right of governments to manage their domestic affairs -- is trumped by the need to protect civilians from an abusive regime -- the right of humanitarian intervention. The assumption that a war is just because we assume “life for the average Iraqi would be better” lowers the bar dramatically.

The commenter came back with a common interventionist argument:
If you believe that sovereignty is in someway derived from the people, I do not understand how a pre-War regime like Hussein's could really be [a] "sovereign" government. It was sovereign in the sense that it maintained law and order, but its power was derived from the application of force, the confiscation of private property for the use by the state and to provide patronage to the state's supporters. I don't believe that the regime was a particularly good representative of the "sovereign" wishes of the Iraqi people.
Sovereignty has never been conditional on good governance or the will of the people. The concept predates what we think of as modern democracy. It was codified at the birth of the modern nation-state, in 1648. Back then there was no consent of the governed; the word “sovereignty” has the same root as “sovereign” -- the king (and kings claimed their privilege based on God’s will).

The concept of sovereignty exists only to decrease the frequency of war. Before it became a norm in 1648, Europe was locked in a series of bloody back-and-forth wars, many of which were ostensibly religious wars. Catholic countries were attacking Protestant countries and vice-versa.

The idea of Sovereignty gave the king exclusive control over domestic affairs in the hope that those religious wars would cease. Countries would still wage war over various international disputes -- these weren’t starry-eyed idealists -- but not over another country’s domestic choices.

So it remained for almost four hundred years. It’s the bedrock of not only international law -- which is difficult to enforce -- but also of international customs and norms. It’s fundamental to the rules of the game.

Now, here’s where the right of humanitarian intervention comes in. After Hitler perpetrated the Holocaust, and a whole bunch of lesser despots committed various horrific crimes, the concept of human rights gained prominence and people started to say: “wait a minute, you mean that rulers who slaughter their own citizens can hide behind the principle of sovereignty?”

The answer was no. And the idea that the world has a responsibility to protect innocents gained traction.

But it’s a balancing act, because if you throw the concept of sovereignty out the window, you’ll end up with powerful states just knocking over countries whose leaders are objectionable -- in their own judgment -- will-nilly. What’s to stop, for example, a return of the kind of religious wars that used to be so common? Or wars in the name of democracy? Or socialism?

So, people started to think about how to balance these things out (new foreign policy ideas developed rapidly after the end of the Cold War). A consensus emerged that state sovereignty remained the bedrock of the international system, but there was also a “responsibility to protect,” -- to intervene -- as long as certain conditions were met. And those conditions made good sense. Here’s a PDF of a landmark report, commissioned by the Canadian government (and five years in the making), that laid out what that balance should look like. It’s influenced foreign policy thinking hugely, and we were on the brink of establishing a more progressive set of norms when, depending on your POV, either 9/11 happened, or the Bush administration happened, or both.

Which brings me back to the attempts to claim -- retroactively -- that Iraq was some kind of humanitarian intervention. You know the argument: ‘you squishy liberals are always going on about humanitarian intervention, but when a Republican president knocks off a horrible dictator like Saddam, you start squawking about how it’s an illegal war.’

But that's wrong not because of ideology, but because of chronology. Simply put, humanitarian intervention is justified only to protect civilian populations from slaughter and other egregious human rights violations. It’s not a punishment for past atrocities.

The Iraqi regime was guilty of wholesale slaughter and other exceptional crimes against humanity between 1983 and 1988 and following the Gulf War in 1991. When Saddam was gassing Kurdish civilians in the 1980s, there would have been an almost unimpeachable case for humanitarian intervention. Throughout that period, however, the U.S. was supporting the Iraqi government.

During the years before the invasion, Saddam’s brutality, while indefensible, also wasn’t particularly worse than that of other dictators, some of whom the West supports today. As a matter of policy, we can agree that every tool available to us short of all-out war should be used to deal with nasty dictators.

If the world decides that it will no longer tolerate those kinds of abuses, I'd be fully on board. But it requires institution building and imagination, not one country or a coalition of the willing acting as unaccountable global cops. Our unilateral attack on Iraq was one among many actions that have weakened, rather than strengthened the kind of institutions the worldd needs (the Internatinal Criminal Court that Bush has tried to dismantle is an excellent example).

That’s why the disaster for the Iraqi people may have started with a series of knuckleheaded decisions -- not putting enough troops in to restore order, firing (but not disarming) the army and all the key bureaucrats -- but the Iraq war became a disaster for the world much earlier. It happened at the point that the decision was made to attack a country uninvolved in 9/11, rather than responding to the attacks by working with a world that clearly wanted to help us roll back international terror networks.

9/11 was a “Grotian moment,” an event of such import that it triggers a fundamental re-think of the international system and can lead to a paradigm shift (it’s named for Hugo Grotius, the 17th century legal philosopher known as the “father of international law”). When we invaded Iraq, we defined a system where just about any international crime is justified in the name of fighting terror.

That’s not a hypothetical; Russia, China, Israel and Saudi Arabia have all invoked the U.S. “War on Terror” to fend off criticism of heavy-handed tactics against Muslims they called terrorists. The war against Iraq will be cited as a precedent for decades to come. And that's why I have so little patience for "liberal interventionists" and their ill-informed support for unilateralist foreign policy.

** This is a cursory discussion in a blog post. If you want to explore these issues in far greater depth, I highly recommend Human Security and the New Diplomacy, edited by Rob McRae and Don Hubert. It has a really good preface by former Canadian Foreign Minister Lloyd Axworthy, a prominent advocate of the movement towards a more "inclusive" concept of security.

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Joshua Holland is a staff writer at Alternet and a regular contributor to The Gadflyer.


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Posted by: Iconoclast421 on May 16, 2006 7:11 AM   
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You say the question has been debated in "this post", but "this post" is brand new, and mine is the first comment.

OOOoooops.

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Great Points
Posted by: chaoslegs on May 16, 2006 7:31 AM   
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Another great post Joshua. The reply from the commentator was quite telling, "...the confiscation of private property for the use by the state and to provide patronage to the state's supporters." I guess he wouldn't like what Bolivia is doing in nationalizing their gas fields.

One problem is we set up these dictators that often do horrible things to their people, but they also bankrupt their country and leaving it a debtor nation and enriching themselves while the west looks away. In fact the west often uses this as a mechanism to get their structural adjustments to force them to privatize state industries.

Sorry, sort of got off topic. Under Harper, I think the Canadians may be doing their best to imitate the US and that is not a good thing for Canada or the world. Linda McQuaig had a great column this weekend in the Toronto Star (free subscription may be required).

But there's strong political resistance from Canada's military establishment, which has worked doggedly — and successfully — to get Canada out of UN peacekeeping and involve us more in the "big leagues" of U.S. military operations.

Defence Minister Gordon O'Connor, a former general who's part of the military establishment, insisted last week that with 2,300 Canadian troops in Afghanistan, we're stretched too thin to get involved in Darfur.

But the Canadian army has 18,000 troops. Langille notes that in the mid-1990s, we managed to deploy more than 4,500 troops abroad with the same size army — and a much smaller defence budget.

We could certainly spare 600 out of our 18,000 troops for a UN mission to Darfur.

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sickness unto death
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on May 16, 2006 10:25 AM   
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"It’s tragic that we live in a country where we even have to debate whether we should go to war for anything short of absolute necessity. But we do; it’s the reality of our political culture."

I would like to point out that if Bush or Cheney had actually served in Vietnam this would likely not be the case at all. It sickens me to no end that two successive veterans (Gore and Kerry) lost to these chickenhawks who continue to carp about their own toughness on security (then why do I still have to fear those LNG tankers in Boston Harbor, gentlemen? Why do we hear nothing about the antrax attacks???) while squandering lives, money, credibility, and other resources on their own non-essential, non-security related personal agendas in Iraq and soon to be in Iran.

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Isn't it Texas' style to run from the judge (or World Criminal Court, as the case may be)?
Posted by: Sojourner on May 16, 2006 3:05 PM   
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Thank you for the history and the citations. Had there been a reasonable expectation that the US could have made life better for the Iraqis, the elder George Bush would have gone for it. It may be that sonny boy wanted to show up his father; W has showed us it’s his style.

However, this post's academic argument can only be justified in pursuit of an alternative to de facto rationalizations.

The constant is, as Holland shows, that pre-emptive invasions are not humanitarian missions by any measure short of self-deception. Pre-emptive invasions, as I understand, are war crimes. W is a war criminal as are all the congresspeople who authorized him to invade. As a consequence, we are all war criminals to the extent that we do not replace our governors “by any means necessary.” That’s my understanding of Nuremberg.

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Such arrogance!
Posted by: Moonray on May 17, 2006 2:59 AM   
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It's deplorable that anyone would advocate the U.S. going to war merely because we disapprove of the way some regime operates. That commenter sounds like one of those armchair patriots holed up in a Washington think tank who's never heard a shot fired in anger (i.e., the folks who got us into the Iraq mess.)

A word of advice from a combat veteran: War should be avoided at nearly all costs because the resulting carnage is horrible for everyone involved. We don't want to go there unless we absolutely have to.

I don't know how Dick Cheney and G.W. Bush sleep at night, especially after seeing the videos of the many children our bombs have slaughtered in Iraq. Of course, the Vietnam conflict was even worse, and both those wars will prove to be equally stupid and harmful in terms of U.S. self-interest, even discounting the horrific human toll involved.

The doctrine of preventive war is merely fascism dressed up in pretty new excuses, and those who advocate it should be condemned, not lionized -- and certainly not installed in any public office.

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going, going,...
Posted by: rsaxto on May 17, 2006 4:45 AM   
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It was wrong to invade Iraq. The right did wrong, illegal and ghastly stuff. The right continues to do even more wrong, illegal and ghastly stuff. They are stuck in a loop of inevitable disaster. The only legal way out of the disaster loop at this late date is to craft the impeachment process, get the rest of the bad news Bushie acts in front of everyone and throw the bums out. Then demand that the new government cuts all ties with the bad stuff that the Bushies have done. We had a revolutionary creation of terrible government by the Bushies and now we need a revolution where the USA only does the right thing in the future.

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Sovereignty and Legitimacy
Posted by: dave236412 on May 17, 2006 12:07 PM   
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I think a part of the confusion many people have is between the concepts of sovereignty and legitimacy. In the West, at least in the liberal tradition of John Locke, there are standards by which the legitimacy of a government may be judged: does it protect the rights of its people, and derive its powers from the consent of the people? This standard, of course, is enshrined in our Declaration of Independence, and is now almost universally held in the West as the basis for the legitimacy of a government. By that standard, of course, the government of Saddam Hussein had no legitimacy.

Sovereignty, on the other hand, originates with the Peace of Westphalia in 1648, which ended the 30 Years War. Westphalia established the principle that no state has the right to intervene in the internal affairs of another state. Westphalia was intended to reduce the frequency and the intensity of warfare, by denying one of the major justifications for it. At the time, the internal religious policies of various states was used as a justification for waging a series of extremely brutal and destructive wars in the 16th and 17th centuries.

The error that many people make, is to presume that if the government of a state has no legitimacy, then the state loses its sovereignty. But, of course, that's the opposite of the intention of Westphalia. At the time of Westphalia, the legitimacy of a government was premised on divine right, so of course a government based on a "heretical" denomination was regarded as illegitimate. Westphalia was meant to deny that this concept of legitimacy had anything to do with sovereignty. Although the basis of government legitimacy may have changed, the relationship between sovereignty and legitimacy should not have.

When a nation's government is illegitimate, under Lockean liberal principles, sovereignty devolves from the government to the people. Sovereignty does not disappear. That Saddam Hussein led an illegitimate government, did not negate Iraq's sovereignty; rather, it meant that the Iraqi people, rather than its government, were the legitimate bearers of sovereignty over their state. The Iraqi people alone held the right to overthrow their government and to create a new one.

Under international law and post-Nuremburg international standards, the only instances when sovereignty may be violated by an outside power are in severe cases of humanitarian catastrophe, such as genocide, or to remove a government that refuses to desist in aggression. Germany and Japan in World War II, for instance, refused to withdraw from the territories they conquered, and committed enormous acts of genocide, and therefore relinquished their sovereignty. Iraq, however, withdrew from Kuwait 12 years before the invasion of Iraq, and was no longer capable of nor likely to carry out any acts of aggression or genocide in the foreseeable future.

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Beyond entertainment?
Posted by: Sojourner on May 22, 2006 4:12 PM   
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The distinction called for is between writing, understood as a well-developed skill, and writing, understood as a craft, as a talent.

In the arts, it’s the difference between high art and folk art. The former is original, compelling, and mature; the latter can be clever, entertaining, and adolescent. It’s the difference between spending time and killing time.

Journalism, as a folk art, does not educate our tastes for even a ‘good’ novel, so you’re just in over your head Frei. Keep looking up.

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» Opps. Posted by: Sojourner