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Fox News: Volunteers Don't Deserve GI Bill

Posted by Ali Frick, Think Progress at 1:00 PM on May 27, 2008.


Citing the volunteer nature of today's military, Fox defends Bush and McCain on the GI bill.

After garnering 256 votes in the House, Sen. Jim Webb’s (D-VA) 21st Century GI Bill passed the Senate last week with 75 votes. Yesterday, on Memorial Day, the New York Times criticized President Bush and Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) — who skipped the vote — for opposing the bill, writing that Bush and McCain “would prefer that college benefits for service members remain just mediocre enough that people in uniform are more likely to stay put.”

Discussing the op-ed this morning, Fox and Friends’s Brian Kilmeade defended Bush and McCain, saying their position is “just a different emphasis.” He insisted that current circumstances are “different” than after World War II, when the original GI bill was passed, because today’s veterans volunteered to serve:

This is just a different emphasis. … After all this is different. People point to, ‘Well, look what they did after World War II.’ Well after World War II, people were conscripted. They said, ‘You’re joining.’ They said for doing that and winning the war, here’s a college education. Now, people are saying, ‘I want to be a military person. I am signing on in a volunteer force.’

In reality, Bush and McCain’s stance on the GI Bill is not just a “different emphasis.” McCain’s watered-down alternative reserves the most generous benefits to those who serve at least 12 years. Furthermore, soldiers would not “jump off to college after three years,” as Kilmeade suggested, because they would still have to complete their enlistment terms.

The Congressional Budget Office report concluded any reduction in enlistment rates is made up for in recruitment increases. And as Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America pointed out, “The GI Bill is the military’s single most effective recruitment tool; the number one reason civilians join the military is to get money for college.”

Fox and Friends’s Steve Doocy and Gretchen Carlson also took up the White House line, slamming the Times for its “vitriolic” (or, as Carlson said, “vitrolic”) criticisms. Carlson said Bussh thinks soldiers “should serve more time before they get a free education.” She quickly added, “Not that he’s against military at all,” to which Doocy interjected, “No!”

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Are they all imbeciles at Fox News is that possible where to they find these idiots..?
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on May 27, 2008 3:06 PM   
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Where does Fox News find these imbeciles is there some special school some place Pat Robertson runs or is it just any school in the mid west..?

I mean when you talk about the Lincoln Douglas debates they think that's Fredrick Douglas and what about Dana Perino did she go to this same institution for imbeciles never heard of the Cuban Missile Crisis..WTF..?

How is that we have already been taken over by almost any other country with half of an educational system..

Does al-Qaeda watch Fox News because if they do we are totally screwed between Bush and these dill weeds no wonder they think they can conquer the western world...

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Faux Snooze is completely without intellect
Posted by: tgabriel on May 27, 2008 3:44 PM   
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They simply cannot connect dots, no matter how simple the picture. Of course their corporate masters would not agree, but the economic draft of people into the military is exactly what Jim Webb's GI Bill is all about. The good Senator understands the chaos that occurs when you have a military of people who would rather be somewhere else and he understands they deserve better than this country was willing to give to the Vietnam vets. Of course, I am not complaining, mind you. I got four years of college and free dental care for a year and bought a house.

Of course I volunteered so I guess in Faux Snooze estimation, I shouldn't have gotten even that benefit, deficient as it was.

Tell ya what Faux Snooze, you figure out how to take the memories, the depression, the funny growths where my radio pack straps rubbed the Agent Orange into my body, the rashes I get every Spring when the weather heats up, the shrapnel in my face, gums, chest, arms, and legs and I will agree that those useless volunteers get nothing but the vacant words of a grateful nation. That a good deal, fellas?

No?

I thought not.

I guess I'll just keep what I earned.

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Just another..
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on May 27, 2008 4:22 PM   
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Just another way to keep the peasantry uneducated.

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Procedure
Posted by: Xynyx on May 27, 2008 4:43 PM   
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I don't think it's that these idiots can't connect the dots. I think it's that they sit around and brainstorm (if it can be called that) to generate counter-arguments (if they can be called that). These guys probably don't actually believe their own BS (or maybe they do... it doesn't matter to me - they're soulless bastards for speaking such crap anyway, so who cares what they believe), but they DO have to keep the conservative propaganda-mill running. That's their job.

Don't expect anything terribly bright to come out of their asses. There's nothing but vacuum between their ears.

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"Is it vy-trohlic?" "No, it's vitriolic."
Posted by: ABetterFuture on May 27, 2008 5:21 PM   
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Thus begging the question as to whether you need to be dumb to adopt a fundamentalist perspective (so-called right or left), or if adopting a fundamentalist political perspective leads to the shunning of basic education.

There are bills in various states proposing to make Engl/rish the primary language. Fox commentators support most of those; pity they don't have a command of it themselves.

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Matthis has foregone much so he will never get any bennies, FAUX ARE COCHON, They do not deserve any
Posted by: Turiye on May 27, 2008 7:00 PM   
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mention, they love any attention, and Alternet gives it to them. F$$K FAUX, The Psycopath in Chief, John McInsane, and any pro-military pig that denys Veterans anything!
***********************************************
Why I won't go to Iraq

May 23, 2008

Matthis Chiroux is a sergeant in the U.S. Army who served in
Afghanistan, Japan, Europe and the Philippines as a photojournalist
and was honorably discharged in summer 2007. In February of this
year, he received orders to return to active duty in order to deploy to Iraq.

On May 15, the day that nine members of Iraq Veterans Against the War
(IVAW) testified on Capitol Hill at hearings organized by members of
the Congressional Progressive Caucus, Chiroux publicly announced his
intention to refuse deployment. He spoke with Leia Petty of the
Brooklyn College Antiwar Coalition about his decision.

AT WHAT point did you decide that you disagreed with what the U.S.
government was doing to the people of the Middle East?


I DIDN'T like the war from the start. I always thought it smelled
fishy, but I knew at the time, the Army owned my ass for at least the
next four-and-a-half years. So I got in line like most soldiers, and
prayed night and day that I could trust American civilians to end the
war. I was so disappointed when my prayers went unanswered.


I REMEMBER when we first met in March, you felt the need to honor
your contract with the U.S. military and deploy to Iraq, despite your
disagreements with the war. What changed?


WHEN WE first met, I already despised the illegal occupation of Iraq,
but I still thought I could do some good by going there. I thought,
if not as a journalist, then as a guerrilla IVAW implant.

The more I thought about this, though, and the more what I already
knew to be true was reinforced by my fellow IVAW members'
testimonies, I came to the realization that I could not carry a
weapon or wear a uniform to Iraq and not be a part of the problem.

But I ended up not being comfortable with the idea of leaving the
country. So I settled upon my decision: I would remain here and go
public with my personal resistance.


WHAT MADE you decide to contact IVAW initially?

IT WAS quite by accident, actually. An instructor at Brooklyn
College, Kumru Toktamis, mentioned an antiwar event to me one evening
in class, when I was still significantly fucked up in the heart and
the head as a result of my recall. I was battling to have an
extension granted to me so I could at least finish my semester of
school before being forced to return to war, only this time in Iraq.

It was at this event that I saw veterans and even active-duty
personnel speaking out for truth and justice. I knew I had found my kind.


DID YOUR involvement in IVAW and the Brooklyn College Antiwar
Coalition (BCAW) influence your decision to not deploy?


ABSOLUTELY. BECAUSE of my constant exposure to the truth of this
occupation through being with my fellow antiwar veterans, I came to
understand that it would be to forsake the individual sacrifices of
each of them to ignore their stories and throw myself into what so
clearly is an unlawful expression of American power on a people who
never did a damn thing to any of us!

BCAW gave me hope that civilians were ready to support and receive
peace by the mouths of babes, pleading in Washington for elected
officials to do the right thing.

**********PART I**************************

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Typical FuxNews bloholes
Posted by: hurricane hugo on May 28, 2008 9:25 AM   
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defending McCain's gutless absence when voting time came. Looks like 25 or so of his colleagues - some of who *gasp* didn't serve - possess more cojones than Ol' John.

jdfu!

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