how refreshing to see a powerful politician able to shut down the braying fools with passion and and non-scripted truth.

(notice the person holding up the "abortion kills babies" sign is a man)

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Wow.
I have lots of issues with William J. and how he ran things. But, damn,
this is where he really shines. I predict this will be a huge You Tube phenom if it isn't already.

This concise little smack down clearly dices the hypocritical "pro-life" rhetoric, and reminds people what a great speaker Bill is when he isn't working cheerleader or attack dog duty.

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But I can commend him on that smackdown, for sure.

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Good for Bill. I have become a bit weary of him, but this really rings true. Of course if all of these anti choice people were really sincere about killing, their argument would carry a lot more weight if they were out protesting the war, but most of them are the biggest supporters of war. So, when is killing not killing?

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Listen carefully. He's not standing up for pro-choice at all. Behind that "pissed off" voice is more of the same wishy-washy Democratic rhetoric, caving in to the right-wing agenda and set of assumptions.

Who is he kidding? They'd love nothing more than to throw all the doctors, women, and anyone who has ever used a condom in prison or the electric chair. To them, abortion is murder. Aren't they already giving people double murder charges for killing pregnant women and doing other legal maneuvers to float the idea of abortion as murder?

Plus, he's patting himself on the back for reducing abortion. So he's admitting abortion is a bad thing, and by extension, implying that people who have abortions are doing a bad thing rather than simply exercising free choice.

To summarize, he didn't say jack, but he seems to have perfected the fine art of making people think he did.

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Damn Clinton is one powerful speaker. I'd want him in my corner that's for certain.

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See, I hear all sorts of nasty vibe about Bill, all the time. People who don't like him justify by saying "people don't like him," and it just dissolves into this untraceable trash-talking.

Bill did a fine job as president, and all sorts of progress in the budget and world peace, but you just don't see any evidence of that now - because his goddamned successor reversed every iota of positive change Bill achieved in his tenure.

I like him. When I hear his speeches broadcast or read transcripts of what he says, I like him. He's a good fella, and comes off as a great one.

But that's unusual. Most of the time, Bill's rhetoric is filtered through MSM pundits, rehashed, analyzed, and you hardly ever get to just hear the man SPEAK.

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No comparison, then and now. which world would you rather live in? but,repugs never can get enough of trying to trash clinton. they wear shit covered glasses now!

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You know, I"m getting tired of you Republics calling us the Democrat party.. from now on I urge everyone to call the right wing party the Republic party.... all you Republics like to play with someone else's name...well good... right back at you.

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is that with all of the Bushit they have thrown at the Clintons, they still have higher approval ratings and are more popular than ANY Repuke you name. They have not been able to beat them, try as they have.

It really infuriates me when I see MEN carrying anti-abortion signs. You want to stop abortion? Cut off your g.d. pricks.

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The pro-life movement is not only about abortion, it is a tiny part of the strategy that is evoked. They are anti-birth control, anti-right to die (live at all costs, no matter whether the person dying would actually like to pass), anti-women (women would lose the right to work w/o birth control- think uncotrolled pregnancies and resultant health issues, it would be like the 1800's) and the list goes on. Visit websites such as MCCL and you'll find a spate of information against public schools and so on. IT IS DISGUSTING! There are Dems who are pro-life but do they understand what they feed into w/ this position?

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is a sham. They have been riding high ever since Reagan days. They have (mistakenly) come to believe they can't be irrelevant.

But their rhetoric is hollow. They've even fashioned new catchy phrases, like the pre-born!

Well, in that case, following their "logic", I suppose we are all the pre-dead!

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True pro-lifers ARE against the death penalty. No true pro-lifers (and no abortion legislation currently being considered) would put the woman receiving the abortion in jail. It would only be the doctor. The woman is the victim in the crime of abortion. You should do a little more homework before just "throwing stones".

To discuss the true issues behind abortion, first you have to look at deeper philosophical questions, which Mr. Clinton will never address in public. You comdemn ideas that you do not understand. Please seek to understand first. Please consider these deeper philosophical issues and then consider a response:
1) Abortion always has the intent of killing a child. If you have the intent on killing a human being, and find it an acceptable practice, you cannot say at the same time that all human beings have a right to be alive. But, the US was founded on the self-evident principle that all human beings are created equal (creation of a human being occurs at conception), and are endowed by the creator (God - not human beings) with the inalienable right to life. “Abortion rights” are directly opposed to the founding principle of the USA.
2) Calling abortion a “right” calls into question the nature of rights. True rights are endowed by our creator as inalienable (cannot be taken away, validly, by other humans). In Roe v. Wade and Doe v. Bolton, the US Supreme Court invented the right to abortion on demand for any reason in all 9 months of pregnancy, calling it privacy. But, this “right” is always at the expense at the death of an innocent child by their mother. You cannot call anything a “right”, if it comes at the expense of another’s right, in this case, the right to life. Granting a right to one, at the expense of another, is not a right at all, but rather is called oppression. If oppression continues, it leads to tyranny and chaos.
3) Abortion trivializes the right to life of every human being. All other human rights presuppose the right to life. If you eliminate the right to life, every other right is eliminated as well. Abortion destroys human rights.
4) Abortion advocates suppress the well-documented truth of the grave impact of abortion on individual women’s health, on families, on men, and on society at large. Abortion advocates always oppose parental notification and informed consent laws. Suppression of truth does not lead to strengthening of rights or to better justice for all humanity.
5) Yes, there are higher risks for younger mothers, but the basics of rights are always ignored by abortion advocates. A 12 year old rape victim is a great tragedy. But, making that child only have the choice of killing her child, and living with that reality the rest of her life, also risking her health more than a pregnancy would, is in no way compassionate. Abortion further victimizes women - it does not “free” them in any way, other than to be a more selfish person.
6) Further, abortion advocates will always defend abortion on demand, which is another word for backup birth control. Birth control is always about ignoring that there is a reason that human bodies have reproductive systems, but rather that sterile sex is the highest good - a replacement for God. Human beings come about the way they do for a reason. All human life is valuable. Sex should have the highest value, but rather has the lowest. Abortion and birth control go hand in hand: If the highest goal is to have sterile sex, the result is always a reduction in the value of a human life. Acceptance of abortion and birth control always ENCOURAGES sterile sex as the highest good. If sterile sex is the highest good, then sexual assaults will have a MUCH HIGHER temptation, and occur more often. These issues are all tied together.

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7) The problem with advocating for abortion is that these deeper philosophical issues are always denied, ignored or suppressed. But, the result is a lessening of all human rights, with women being the biggest victims. Abortion VICTIMIZES women.
8) Finally, the point is that each human life is worth more than all the money in the world. Abortion denies this fact that is written on every human heart. But, we have to be unselfish and share in order to make it work. It is hard, but an ideal that is worth it.

I invite your reasoned response to any of these issues.
Andrew

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Postscript: The only way to reduce abortion is to change hearts that every human life is more precious than all the money in the world. You cannot agree that human life is valuable if it is OK to dispose of someone if that person's existence is inconvenient. The only way to do it is if you deny that a baby in the womb is actually a person - but science defines that what is there at the moment of conception, when DNA is formed, as a "unique individual of the species homo sapiens". All of you started in the same way. To insist that a baby is not a human person is the highest form of prejudice. So, to support abortion, you have to support prejudice based on whether one human being's existence is convenient to someone else, or, deny the right to life of human beings. Please make any response considerate and reasoned.
Regards,
Andrew

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The common exclamation, is that if men got pregnant, then abortion would be legal and free.

The insinuation is that because men don't bear the burden of unwanted pregnancies, they don't bear any interest in terminating them.

But the fact is, men DO bear some of the burden of unwanted pregnancies. Men are required by law, to support children that they did not wish to have born. That is a pretty significant burden, as it is 18+ years of involuntary servitude.

The common response to this is "well, if you don't want to be responsible for the result of a pregnancy, keep it in your pants or be responsible for birth control".

But the same response would be equally applicable to women's right to abort, as well.

What it comes down to, is that there are pre-conception alternatives to prevent unwanted pregnancies, and the resulting responsibilities.

And there are post-conception alternatives to unwanted pregnancies and the resulting responsibilities. Well, for women anyway.

Men? Not so much. Once there is conception, men lose all rights to choice.

You could say that pro-life movement is simply pushing to equalize pregnancy choice between men and women, by making only pre-conception alternatives legal.

A better way would be to provide men with a post-conception choice as well, and end the debate. Simply allow men to have a "legal abortion" where they give up all rights and responsibilities to the result of an unwanted pregnancy. And of course, keep the abortion option available to women.

Then we can end the debate, with everyone having the freedom of choice that they deserve.

Please keep the vitriol in your responses to the minimum, it's just an idea.

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