Home
Archive
Columnists
Video
Blogs
Discuss
About
Search
Donate
Advertise
Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement
Register to Vote: Rock the Vote, powered by Working Assets Wireless
  • AlterNetYour turn

Support AlterNet
Do you value the information you're getting from AlterNet? Please show your support with a tax-deductible donation.


Feedback
Tell us how we're doing.

Olbermann: Rumsfeld is a fascist

Posted by David DeGraw at 6:54 AM on August 31, 2006.


Keith Olbermann gives Rumsfeld an Edward R. Murrow-esque history lesson.
Olbermann: Rumsfeld is a fascist

In a time when non-stop JonBenet Ramsey coverage passes as TV "journalism," we should all be thankful that there are still a few real journalists on TV.

Responding to Donald Rumsfeld's recent speech on America facing a new form of "fascism," Keith Olbermann delivered this critical commentary and proved that he is, indeed, one of the rare hero journalists.

MUST SEE Video to the right -->>

Check it out and pass it on.

Transcript of Olbermann's commentary courtesy of Atrios below:

"The man who sees absolutes, where all other men see nuances and shades of meaning, is either a prophet, or a quack.

Donald H. Rumsfeld is not a prophet.

Mr. Rumsfeld’s remarkable speech to the American Legion yesterday demands the deep analysis—and the sober contemplation—of every American.

For it did not merely serve to impugn the morality or intelligence -- indeed, the loyalty -- of the majority of Americans who oppose the transient occupants of the highest offices in the land. Worse, still, it credits those same transient occupants -- our employees -- with a total omniscience; a total omniscience which neither common sense, nor this administration’s track record at home or abroad, suggests they deserve.

Dissent and disagreement with government is the life’s blood of human freedom; and not merely because it is the first roadblock against the kind of tyranny the men Mr. Rumsfeld likes to think of as “his” troops still fight, this very evening, in Iraq.

It is also essential. Because just every once in awhile it is right and the power to which it speaks, is wrong.

In a small irony, however, Mr. Rumsfeld’s speechwriter was adroit in invoking the memory of the appeasement of the Nazis. For in their time, there was another government faced with true peril—with a growing evil—powerful and remorseless.

That government, like Mr. Rumsfeld’s, had a monopoly on all the facts. It, too, had the “secret information.” It alone had the true picture of the threat. It too dismissed and insulted its critics in terms like Mr. Rumsfeld’s -- questioning their intellect and their morality.

That government was England’s, in the 1930’s.

It knew Hitler posed no true threat to Europe, let alone England.

It knew Germany was not re-arming, in violation of all treaties and accords.

It knew that the hard evidence it received, which contradicted its own policies, its own conclusions — its own omniscience -- needed to be dismissed.

The English government of Neville Chamberlain already knew the truth.

Most relevant of all — it “knew” that its staunchest critics needed to be marginalized and isolated. In fact, it portrayed the foremost of them as a blood-thirsty war-monger who was, if not truly senile, at best morally or intellectually confused.

That critic’s name was Winston Churchill.

Sadly, we have no Winston Churchills evident among us this evening. We have only Donald Rumsfelds, demonizing disagreement, the way Neville Chamberlain demonized Winston Churchill.

History — and 163 million pounds of Luftwaffe bombs over England — have taught us that all Mr. Chamberlain had was his certainty — and his own confusion. A confusion that suggested that the office can not only make the man, but that the office can also make the facts.

Thus, did Mr. Rumsfeld make an apt historical analogy.

Excepting the fact, that he has the battery plugged in backwards.

His government, absolute -- and exclusive -- in its knowledge, is not the modern version of the one which stood up to the Nazis.

It is the modern version of the government of Neville Chamberlain.

But back to today’s Omniscient ones.

That, about which Mr. Rumsfeld is confused is simply this: This is a Democracy. Still. Sometimes just barely.

And, as such, all voices count -- not just his.

Had he or his president perhaps proven any of their prior claims of omniscience — about Osama Bin Laden’s plans five years ago, about Saddam Hussein’s weapons four years ago, about Hurricane Katrina’s impact one year ago — we all might be able to swallow hard, and accept their “omniscience” as a bearable, even useful recipe, of fact, plus ego.

But, to date, this government has proved little besides its own arrogance, and its own hubris.

Mr. Rumsfeld is also personally confused, morally or intellectually, about his own standing in this matter. From Iraq to Katrina, to the entire “Fog of Fear” which continues to envelop this nation, he, Mr. Bush, Mr. Cheney, and their cronies have — inadvertently or intentionally — profited and benefited, both personally, and politically.

And yet he can stand up, in public, and question the morality and the intellect of those of us who dare ask just for the receipt for the Emporer’s New Clothes?

In what country was Mr. Rumsfeld raised? As a child, of whose heroism did he read? On what side of the battle for freedom did he dream one day to fight? With what country has he confused the United States of America?

The confusion we -- as its citizens— must now address, is stark and forbidding.

But variations of it have faced our forefathers, when men like Nixon and McCarthy and Curtis LeMay have darkened our skies and obscured our flag. Note -- with hope in your heart — that those earlier Americans always found their way to the light, and we can, too.

The confusion is about whether this Secretary of Defense, and this administration, are in fact now accomplishing what they claim the terrorists seek: The destruction of our freedoms, the very ones for which the same veterans Mr. Rumsfeld addressed yesterday in Salt Lake City, so valiantly fought.

And about Mr. Rumsfeld’s other main assertion, that this country faces a “new type of fascism.”

As he was correct to remind us how a government that knew everything could get everything wrong, so too was he right when he said that -- though probably not in the way he thought he meant it.

This country faces a new type of fascism - indeed.

Although I presumptuously use his sign-off each night, in feeble tribute, I have utterly no claim to the words of the exemplary journalist Edward R. Murrow.

But never in the trial of a thousand years of writing could I come close to matching how he phrased a warning to an earlier generation of us, at a time when other politicians thought they (and they alone) knew everything, and branded those who disagreed: “confused” or “immoral.”

Thus, forgive me, for reading Murrow, in full:

“We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty,” he said, in 1954. “We must remember always that accusation is not proof, and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law.

“We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason, if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men, not from men who feared to write, to speak, to associate, and to defend causes that were for the moment unpopular.”

And so good night, and good luck."

Digg!

David DeGraw is AlterNet's video blogger.


Take Action: Patriotism over Profit Week [VIDEO]
Turn your living room into a theater and salon...
October 6, 2006.
Colbert gives Republicans midterm election advice
Stephen Colbert has a foolproof way for the Republicans to win.
September 20, 2006.
Daily Show: Bush v Ahmadinejad
Jon Stewart covers the UN smackdown between George "Soprano" Bush and Mahmoud "little kid nuclear" Ahmadinejad.
September 20, 2006.
Countdown: Halliburton CEO has made over $100 million since war began
Keith Olbermann discusses "obscene war profiteering" with IRAQ FOR SALE director Robert Greenwald.
September 19, 2006.
Colbert on Bush's twisted torture logic
Stephen Colbert breaks down Bush's logic on torture.
September 18, 2006.

Comments Turn comments off sitewide Give us feedback »
Comments closed.
The comments for this story have been closed. Thank you to everyone who participated.
View:
Whoa -
Posted by: kevintaute on Aug 31, 2006 8:12 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
That was a powerful and interesting comment. I wonder if he will be employeed by the MSNBC tomorrow!

That was GREAT - Now lets see if anyone else picks it up!

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

joysea
Posted by: joysea on Aug 31, 2006 8:44 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
WOW! Olbermann is so candid and so very brave in this commentary! When Bill Moyers retired, he predicted there would be "an explosion of investigative journalism" in this country. I hope Keith has just helped to ignite that explosion. God knows we desparately need it... NOW! Thank you Bloggermann. You have a lot of support out here.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Bravo
Posted by: Gtrpicker on Aug 31, 2006 9:37 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I have been waiting four years to hear someone say what has been so obvious to me. The Bush/Cheney administration is as close to Nazi Germany as America has ever been. From the staging of the 2004 Republican Convention with its shades of Leni Reifenstahl's movies about Hitler to the demonization of any and all who express discontent with their foolish and inept moves this administration is the exact opposite of what America is and means.
It is up to us citizens of the United States of America to take responsibilty and vote for enough Democrats to put the brakes on their adventurism and to start investigating their missdeeds. Only when that happens and it is made clear to the next group of fascists who want to rule America that we won't stand for this kind of treachery on the Constitution will we be able to breathe any kind of sigh of relief.
I hope it is not too late.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: Bravo..sickofsleaze Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
This... oh, this....
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Aug 31, 2006 9:49 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
... this, ladies and gentlemen, my friends, my fellow Americans is the sort of honesty that we should see in the majority, not the minority of our news.

It is the voices willing to insist on the kind of nuance that George W. Bush "doesn't do"... the kind of history George W. Bush doesn't know that can save us from the horrible and terrifying situations caused by George W. Bush's lack of nuance and knowledge if only there are enough of them and they are willing to speak bravely and clearly even in the face of opposition. We must not sit and allow only those few voices like Olberman to be such. We must be brave and clear voices of reason and compassion and of, when necessary of anger.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

I'm impressed
Posted by: Techubus on Aug 31, 2006 12:08 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I had all but given up on any TV New's personalities actually growing a pair and returning to the type of journalism that made our media the envy of the world.

I've enjoyed some of Olberman's pieces before but still viewed him with the same skepticism I view the rest of the MSM. After hearing this I'm glad to say I now have had my faith renewed in at least one journalist.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: I'm impressed Posted by: markusmark
Thanks Keith
Posted by: Lauren on Aug 31, 2006 1:16 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
What a magical moment we had last night!

I was so glad J got home just in time to watch one of America's most shining TV moments. I was proud to be an American, counting my heros. Keith wasn't the only one, I was proud of Keith plus impressed with MSNBC. That took guts all around.

We were both totally impressed, I just want to express my own gratitude.

I noticed the press is starting to discuss the drug war. Tucker declaired it a failure. Asset siezure is the story that should be looked at a lot more carefully. The PBS special by Kyla Dunn about forfeiture http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/drugs/video/ first describes an innocent victum, then assertes regarding almost a billion dollars worth of cash and assets, "much of this property was taken from bona fide criminals". Followed by data showing only 20% of the victums are ever charged, I wouldn't call 20% 'much'.

This sort of police crime is going on in communities all across America. Our own Solano County seems to be a hot spot on Shake Down Street. The state law doesn't do much to protect medical marijuana patients when the county agents claim to be 'just enforcing federal law'. An ingenious methoid for discriminating against weak people, essentually pulling the rug out from under sick people, fiscally and otherwise, county by county. Very clever behavior if you want to hurt people.

You know, the Sheriffs laugh at people when they take their medicine and property away. Pot is worth a lot of money, poor folks cant afford to just buy more. It just disappears. It is very sad to meet the victums of this sort of crime, the poorest ones are the ones who get hurt the most. I warn every one growing pot, dont keep a gun on your property or person, it is an acessory to the crime of growing your medicine.

I wish reporters would take more notice of these littlier people. How come the image of the various victums of the narc wars isn't ever on the nightly news? Tucker?

Or are we still making fun of Hippies. Like they only exist in Never-never-land? Or exist like the new blackface in Halloween dress up costumes. Real Hippies were peacefully off growing their herbs in little plots of land, off in the forests, bothering no one. But then the Blueman casts his Eye of Sauron far and wide, omitting no one. Soon the helicopters fly over and you loose everything. Home, ganja, children, freedom, spouse, health, friends. There is a long list of things you can loose if the CAMP helicopter flies over and you have some weed.

How long is this religion tax going to go on? This holy war aganst some native children of the American people? I count the drug war cost in children, families lost into the endless appitite of the Blueman. I see them. I hear their cries.

Why don't we ever see their suffering on TV?

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: Thanks Keith...sickofsleaze Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
Olbermann,Stewart,Colbert, and to a lesser extent Dobbs.
Posted by: Gary74 on Aug 31, 2006 1:20 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Those are some of the top guys to watch if you want to get some real news. Dobbs is good on domestic issues but he's not above war mongering for the GOP.

The sad thing about it is 2 of those guys are just trying to get laughs and they are more credible journalists than the professionals! Brvao Olbermann, You've come a long way from ESPN.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Makes one want to get up and cheer!
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Aug 31, 2006 1:47 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Wow, a major media figure has put it on the record. Congratulations of the highest order!

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Make it heard!
Posted by: Knowmad on Aug 31, 2006 5:44 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
All you Americans so jaded with your criminal administration that you've given up to hopelessness and despair - not that you don't have reason - finally here's something you can do. Simply drag yourselves to the keyboard and send this fine dialogue to everyone you know, particularly the unaware, misguided GOP supporters.

At the very least you'll feel a little better, and that just might be the start of doing more.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

no title
Posted by: witsend on Aug 31, 2006 7:49 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Apropos of Olbermann's eloquent comments, I refer readers to the late Jacob Bronowski's work, The Ascent of Man. At the end of one chapter, as he stands and then kneels in the muck outside one of the Nazi death camps, he invokes Cromwell - well before Chamberlain's moment - in an astonishing and timeless rebuke to those who insist that they hold the keys to righteousness, and that all others are blasphemers and traitors.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Wow.
Posted by: RoffleTheWaffle on Aug 31, 2006 8:39 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
This was on television? This was really on television?

This is fucking amazing, and Rummie got owned. Somebody give this guy a medal.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

I'm Terrified
Posted by: BobbyGreyFriar on Aug 31, 2006 8:42 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I think it's rather dubious that Oberman is being lauded in this way. Basically he just said, "It's okay people who are unhappy, I don't like Rumsfeld either." There was no substance -- no facts regarded -- in his critique; and his (much applauded) lanuage was utterly pretentious. If this is the dissenting voice of the left, what a terrible state of affairs we are in!

I wan't a journalist who will discover, in a disinterested manner, what policy actually means for the people it effects and to report on that however offensive to power it may be. I don't give a shit about specualtion of a politician's (or anyone elses) characterization!

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» Where Have You Been Posted by: edpaz
» RE: I'm Terrified Posted by: R.I.P.
On Murrow
Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Aug 31, 2006 8:44 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
He was a complicated man. Yes, he went against McCarthy but like any good journalist he was always out for a buck. Watch his archived propaganda against communism "The Challenge of Ideas". Hilarious. Almost as bad as McCarthy but more sauve. You can find it for free from the Prelinger Archives at archive.org
He also had some interesting feelings about "negroes" that can be viewed and transcripts read. He was no angel.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» Uh, you mean he was HUMAN! Posted by: JoshuaLudd
Blockbuster!
Posted by: talkville on Aug 31, 2006 10:51 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
An almost incredible event, that broadcast. And on MSM! It's indeed refreshing at this late date to see a glimmer of 'cojones' appear (any news on if this was repeated, or in how many regions was it not broadcast?). It's become an interesting exercise these recent days to listen to the descriptions these people like Mr Rumsfeld apply to others and to compare those descriptions to the rapidly deteriorating conditions right here in the USA. Surprising chiaroscuros emerge! Projection is the term that comes to mind.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

truth
Posted by: rsaxto on Sep 1, 2006 3:15 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The more truth we get the less powerful are the lies that are being told by current power. When belief in truth is greater than belief in the worth of the shrinking lie currency of the Bushies then, at last, comes the downfall of the mighty terror pushers.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

just the tip of the iceburg
Posted by: cosmicgold on Sep 1, 2006 3:57 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
As to quote from a song which at this point I cant remember ther artist ( so please forgive me)...Where I once was enraged..I am now amused...its ok that someone in the media is willing to stretch their toes into the murky waters of political agendas, and hopefully cause a small ripple of conscienceness...not just for america..but for the globe as well..I have never advocated intolerence for anyones right to free speech...but I am equally as aware of sugarcoating bits of history--spins--that the media has been complicitous of. Bravo to Kieth Oberheim for starting that small ripple in this black ugly abyss..called fear-mongering propaganda..I hope he is still employed by MSNBC..and that he does not become the target of the usual threats that go to those..who venture beyond the spheres of insanity--and present the truth--threats as in your life or money for your silence...Thank the universe for a few brave souls...I salute you Kieth!

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Comment
Posted by: Plenum on Sep 1, 2006 4:07 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
This is what is needed.
This is what we need to hear.
This is what should have been said five years ago.
This is the argument that Rumsfeld needs to confront.
This is the bold confrontation this administration needs to hear.

----------------------------

The mayor of Salt Lake City had a good speech yesterday.

KUTV link: http://kutv.com/video/?id=18850@kutv.dayport.com

I'd recommend it, and Olbermann's commentary, to what seems to me to be a long-awaited tidal shift in American opinion, but far, far to late to undo the disasters done around the world - and far more than just what the terrorists have.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

A bright blue dot in a very Red Atlanta
Posted by: jansome on Sep 1, 2006 6:05 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
This is the most powerful and the best written editorial since the days of Murrow himself! I had nearly given up on the media as a whole, but Keith has restored my hope. Maybe this disastrous administration’s only (and utterly inadvertent) legacy will be to have so angered the few responsible journalists currently allowed voice on the corporatized airwaves that they will rise above the cacophony of idiocy to reach the silent, disempowered majority of sane citizens and inspire them to take back our democracy from the tyranny of the right.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

THANK YOU !
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Sep 1, 2006 6:54 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Maybe Mr. Obermann shamed the rest of the media into being honest with us. He sure was .Now you know why your ratings are down the tubes. A breath of fresh air. Well done ! Thanks, ANNA

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Democracy or fascism?
Posted by: shangrilalad on Sep 1, 2006 8:15 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The midterm elections will determine whether a majority of Americans prefer democracy or fascism. The choice is so stark and the evidence of the last five years so overwhelming that only idiot can later claim they were fooled by the rabid right.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Where's the speech?
Posted by: mike_alternet on Sep 1, 2006 9:03 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Where is the speech that was *supposedly* so bad? So Mr. Olberman didn't like it, and I'm supposed to just suck up his opinion like a mindless sycophant without having the opportunity to form my own?!! Come on!! This is the age of information! I want a link to a transcript of the actual speech, or a video link. Maybe Mr. Olberman is right. Maybe he's not. Without the speech, we'll never know...

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: Where's the speech? Posted by: fukcit
Okay people now Come Together
Posted by: Gregor on Sep 1, 2006 9:04 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Our alternative voices are finally speaking up, but the power is in the People! Come Together and fight back!

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Rummy's a product.
Posted by: junkandcrap on Sep 1, 2006 9:36 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Here and here are a couple of tidbits on The Donald, a wholly owned subsidiary of Bush Inc.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

KeithGCa
Posted by: KeithGCa on Sep 1, 2006 10:37 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
From a Canadian citizen, bravo.
I have travelled somewhat extensively. It is obvious to any world traveller whose travels extend beyond the environs of privileged and monied elites that the United States of America is widely and justifiably viewed with deep-seated repugnance for the foreign policies it pursues.
(Let me rush to assure readers of this comment that the Canada of Prime Minister Stephen Harper in particular can lay absolutely no claim to superiority vis-a-vis the USA. But that is for another debate.)
These are dark times in the history of your country, dark times indeed. They are dark times, therefore, for the whole world, so far-reaching and insidious is the destructive power of the USA. In every country, however, there are courageous men and women who are willing to speak out against the darkness.
From whence do such voices speak? From a deep-seated conviction that the engines of war must be stilled, for the sake of all humanity. From a deep-seated conviction that human beings must no longer be used as cheap fuel for the engines of profit. From a deep-seated conviction that the purveyors of policies built upon fear and hatred (yes, they are in Washington, D.C.) must not reign. Happily, too, from a deep-seated conviction, even if it be in a lamentably all too isolated fashion, that the mass media must not exist simply to manufacture consent, as Noam Chomsky has put it, for the darkness.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Olberman's days are numbered.
Posted by: beetruetoyou on Sep 1, 2006 10:45 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Because of the truth of his statements, Olberman will not be speaking long.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Not like Chamberline, like HITLER
Posted by: HoldmAccountable on Sep 1, 2006 11:10 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I applaud Keith Olbermann's commentary regarding Rumsfeld; although he is just one of the COVEN of truly EVIL people running the US - having stolen 2 presidential elections to get control of the US.

My one comment would be Olbermann's comparison of the Bush administration government to that of Neville Chamberline. I see them more like HITLER's government - stolen election, keeping the population in fear of a made up enemy (the Jews for the Germans - the Arabs for the US); suspension of civil liberties, control of the press, and finally creating FASCISM.

We will never get rid of them until we get the ability BACK to have our vote count - and with the implementation of Diebold and other electronic touch screen machines owned by private corporations of Republicans who are determined to subvert Democracy, we are dead in the water.

This administration has gone so far as to either "allow" 9-11 or carry it out (depending upon what investigations you read); and let an entire city of poor people drown, while Bush played the guitar, and read My Pet Goat!

Unless the media - the 4th check and balance on our form of government, does it's job and starts investigating and INFORMING the public about something other than Jon Benet, and other forms of sex/violence titillation, it will take a revolution to get our country back - like what they are doing in Mexico - where they VALUE the right to have their vote counted!

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

GET YOUR HISTORY RIGHT, SINCE YOUR LEFT GATEKEEPING IS WAY OUT.
Posted by: Bulldog on Sep 1, 2006 11:12 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Keith Olbermann says:
"The English government of Neville Chamberlain already knew the truth.
Most relevant of all — it “knew” that its staunchest critics needed to be marginalized and isolated. In fact, it portrayed the foremost of them as a blood-thirsty war-monger who was, if not truly senile, at best morally or intellectually confused.
That critic’s name was Winston Churchill.


AS A BRITISHER WITH PROPER BLOOD IN MY VEINS, I can point out that in 1898 at the turn of the century, CHURCHILL, AT THE BATTLE OF GALLIPOLI fought a bloody battle that proved HE WAS a "BLOOD THIRSTY WAR MONGER". That's historically well documented.
"Fighting on opposite sides at Gallipoli were two future great leaders, Winston Churchill and Mustafa Kemal (Ataturk, the Father of Modern Turkey)"
Churchill & Mustafa Kemal
In this battle Churchill killed 10,000 whirling dervishes for just 500 of his own British troops. IN ONE BATTLE. That was thanks to the recent invention of the machine gun and the fact that the Turks had only cutlasses.
In his memoirs he wrote:
"In a tale of war the reader’s mind is filled with the fighting. The battle—with its vivid scenes, its moving incidents, its plain and tremendous results—excites the imagination and commands attention... The long trailing line of communications is unnoticed... Victory is the beautiful, bright-colored flower. Transport is the stem without which is could never have blossomed.
A Churchillian Perspective on September 11


I don't have the book so I quote what I can find from the web but Churchill the man loved battle — and he loved bloodshed. He publicly relished in recounting of his bloodthirsty exploits of that 19th Century battle and that's how came to SEE HIMSELF as sent by god, with an awesome Godly mission, that of saving Britain from the ultimate NAZI enemy.
So he went along approvingly with the Aerial Bombing of German cities by USAF and RAF in WW2 until eventually even he had a crisis of conscience and ordered an end to carpet bombing. By the time Bomber command's 'Blaster Bates' had accepted the order however, hundreds of thousands of German citizens had already died in the firestorms in hundreds of towns and cities.
Once he'd done with WW2, he was voted out immediately & unanimously from the post of Prime Minister by an irate, half starved British populous who craved social reform.

He was not unlike all The Rumsfelds and Cheyneys except he frequently changed political party & political orientation to suit his own objectives. He served as a member of Parliament for all 3 leading parties: The Conservatives, The Labour party and The Liberals.

Olbermann is just a stool pidgeon after my piece of cake. The piece of cake that tastes of the Break up of The ANGLO-AMERICAN ALLIANCE or PRESENT GREAT WORLD EMPIRE.

This must happen either before or after the proposed invasion of Iran as proposed by the US military Junta and its stool pidgeon politico front men of BUSH&BLAIR.COM
That's what's in the pipeline for the Current Great World Empire. Sooner rather than later I always say.

America is probably over and it was a bad joke. I get more insight into American values from watching back episodes of the Simpsons than I do from listening to the drivel and counter drivel.
Simpsons Episode: Rosebud

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Olberman misses the true comparison.
Posted by: raiteri on Sep 1, 2006 11:15 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
"That government was England’s, in the 1930’s. " Oh, really? Hitler's government would seem to be a better comparison to the current U.S. administration -- but then you actually would be saying something that MSNBC would take issue with and your job would indeed be on the line, as I'm sure Olberman knows. Chamberland did the reasonable thing, folks -- he wanted to avoid a world war! Our gang of fascists are out to rule the world -- just like Hitler and his fascists thugs were! Anyone looking to, and finding "insightful commentary" from mainstream media, especially broadcast, is really not paying close enough attention.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Olbermann as Murrow
Posted by: stan man on Sep 1, 2006 11:20 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I think Edward R Murrow would be proud to hear what Keith said and would agree wholeheartedly.

I hope the other so called "newsmen" take notice, it is time for some truth telling.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Debs
Posted by: Debs on Sep 1, 2006 12:15 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
This is great commentary and KO should be congratulated. If I were to compare today's politics with those of 70 years ago I think the Bush administration is closer to fascism and Hitler's opponents closer to the dissidents of today.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: Debs..Hooray..sickofsleaze Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
» RE: Debs..Hooray..sickofsleaze Posted by: amazed again
» RE: Debs Posted by: amazed again
» RE: Debs Posted by: holojojo
OUTRAGEOUSLY WONDERFUL KEITH OLBERMAN!!!!
Posted by: 1984NOW!!! on Sep 1, 2006 2:06 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Considering what will be concocted between now and the next election by the Fascists in OUR WHITE HOUSE, this is a welcomed moment for sanity and truth.

MANY THANKS MR. OLBERMAN.!!!!!!! May the truth and the force always be with you. You are a hero of a diminishing genre.

TRY, TRY, TRY WITH ALL YOUR MIGHT TO BRING OUR DEMOCRACY AND OUR CONSTITUTION BACK IN NOVERMBER. THE WORLD IS COUNTING ON US.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Food for thought
Posted by: mom'z the word on Sep 1, 2006 2:35 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
As an analogy the piece was refreshingly clear. Clarity is a noble accomplishment. It made me think. I wondered why such a piece would not, but justifiably should have, the impact that an Edward R. Murrow piece would have. When Murrow said:

“We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. We must remember always that accusation is not proof, and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law”

That statement made an enduring difference to all that heard it. It changed people. Maybe it made them think and gave some clarity to what was going on at the time.

I think it endured because at the time it made sense. It is referenced today by those who remember it is for what is was. A clear rendition of what is at stake in a democracy. When Murrow said, "we must not confuse dissent with disloyalty,” everyone at that time knew what dissent and disloyalty meant. Today because of Rumsfeld, Bush, Rice there is a whole generation that has an entirely different notion of what dissent and disloyalty means. It is not the same. It is intentionally confusing. Changing definitions for purposes of changing people’s attitudes and ideas could be observed as a way of controlling and manipulating how people think.

“We must remember always that accusation is not proof,” This statement would make no sense at all to a generation brought up on the notion that allegations are all that are necessary to get a conviction. When our government practices guilty until proven innocent, Gitanamo, that tells it like it is. Allegations are good enough. It shows force, not evidence, is all the proof you need.

In 1954 due process was still on the books and could be referenced as a matter of fact. McCarthyism today by law has no opposition. Today we have the Patriots Act, which in effect rendered due process null and void. Due process today is a battle that needs to be fought and won as opposed to then when it was still recognized as an inalienable Constitutional right. Back then when due process was infringed upon there was at least some recourse. Today there is none.

I am wondering if we have changed too much to ever be able to regain those truths that were self-evident back in the time of Edward R. Murrow. We need people like Edward R. Morrow. Olbermann could be the next Edward R. Murrow. For good things to happen good people must make their voices heard. This was a good article. Food for thought.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

K. Olberman's Take on the Administration
Posted by: LouiseCalabro on Sep 1, 2006 4:03 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Thank you for a truly thought-provoling article; you make me glad to subscribe to AlterNet.
___________________________________
Louise Calabro
Production Editor
Two Bay Club Drive - Apt. 1-G
Bayside, NY 11360-2918
phone: 718-631-7748
fax: 718-504-4419
e-mail: louise.editor@mindspring.com

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Welcome to the real world.
Posted by: jimprues on Sep 1, 2006 4:55 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Keith is on it. You can see cracks in the old paradigm when he gets away with speaking truth to power. A new day is dawning in America, and it's long overdue.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Bravo!
Posted by: edpaz on Sep 1, 2006 6:10 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Keith, you are my hero and any hero of yours is one of mine.

This needs to be sent to Mr. Dumsfield by everyone who reads it.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

WOW!
Posted by: CapnDad on Sep 2, 2006 9:00 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Murrow, Cronkite, Jennings, Olbermann... What a joy to see that courage and integrity in broadcast journalism is not dead. Frankly, I stopped watching TV news a long time ago because nowhere was there a voice that said "Stop! Look! Think!" The message was invariably "Don't stop, don't believe what you see, we'll tell you what to think."

There is hope, after all.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

What WWII Has To Do Wih The Present
Posted by: R.I.P. on Sep 3, 2006 7:57 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
During the planning for the attack on Peal Harbor Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto ( Harvard educated and familiar with the U.S.) warned the war mongers of his own country that if U.S. could not be defeated inside of a year.... the industrial might of our country would lead to Japan's defeat. In Europe as well we could provide equipment for war faster than the enemy could destroy it.
Since 1945 I can't see much to be proud of if we are speaking of military accomplishments.
My personal experience was fighting the "Domino Theory".
Remember that one: fear, dread, and necessary war to fight the commies over there before we would have to fight them over here? Are we not being told THE EXACT same thing today about a "unified block of Islam Fascists"? Baloney again.
We have handed Communist China our productive might so we can buy stuff cheap. I forget if it was Lennon or Stalin who said:" A Capitalist will sell you the rope to hang him with"
It is China that will be running the show when China decides to do so.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]