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This Is Not a Christian Nation

Posted by Cenk Uygur at 5:00 AM on October 5, 2007.


Cenk Uygur: I became an American because I believed we were all equals in the eyes of the law. Apparently, 42 United States Congressmen are not so sure.

This post, written by Cenk Uygur, originally appeared on The Huffington Post

I am an American.

My name is not Jimmy Johnson, it is not Virgil Goode and it is not John McCain. But I am an American. No more, no less than any of these people.

My name is Cenk Uygur. And I am proud of it. It might sound a little different to your ear, but it doesn't make it any less American. That's the whole point of the country. If I wanted to live in a place where your race, ethnicity or religion mattered, there were plenty of other countries to choose from. I chose to be an American because I believed we were all equals in the eyes of the law.

Apparently, 42 United States Congressmen are not so sure. The House passed a resolution today celebrating the Muslim holy month of Ramadan. The point of the resolution was to show that we are an open country and that a Muslim-American is equal to any other American. That we are all to be celebrated as Americans. Forty-two representatives couldn't get themselves to agree.

These Congressmen did not vote for the resolution, they voted "present" instead. Is this a silent protest? What are they protesting? Do they disagree that we should celebrate all of the cultures in the country? Do they disagree that we should have Muslims in the country at all?

One of them, Rep. Virgil Goode (R-VA) has already said that on the record -- and refuses to apologize. He said we should have less Muslims in Congress and less Muslims in the country at all. His colleagues didn't see fit to correct him. Moveon takes out a newspaper ad questioning one general and Congress goes ballistic. A US Congressman says we should discriminate against a whole group of US citizens and not a peep.

When John McCain said he wanted a Christian president earlier in the week, I didn't pay much attention to it. I think we overemphasize gaffes on the campaign trail. I care how these people are going to lead the country, not how many errors they make while speaking 24/7 on the campaign trail.

By the way, how did a media so obsessed with verbal blunders decide that George W. Bush was the right man for the job - twice? We were told John Kerry misspoke too often. What a topsy-turvy world we live in.

So, I didn't want to get caught up in this game. At this point, I am unfortunately used to people deriding people of the Muslim faith in America anyway. It has become an ugly reality of our country. It's so common that it's taken for granted now.

A couple of days ago, Ann Coulter was on the Today show and she said the real problem with Senator McCain's comment was that he later said he would vote for a Muslim if he agreed with him. How dare he? Doesn't he realize that a patriotic American would never vote for a Muslim? They are the enemy. They are less than other Americans. They are not equal. This is a Christian nation!

You see, that's what bothers me. I am not a religious Muslim at all. In fact, I am agnostic. I don't participate in Ramadan. I don't need a resolution celebrating it. But once you bring it up for a vote, to purposely not vote for it is a clear sign. It is not a slip of the tongue or a miscommunication in the midst of a hectic campaign schedule. It is a deliberate act meant to send a message. And that's what I do care about. It is a sign that we are not welcome.

You think these bigoted, xenophobic Congressmen care whether we practice the tenets of Islam, or how religious we are or what our actual beliefs might be. Of course, not. They just look at us and say those people are not of us.

Well, whether you like it or not, we are Americans. And I will not bow my head. I will not accept being classified as a second class citizen. I will not let you spit on my people and act like we are beneath you because of our ethnicity.

We had Naomi Wolf on our show last week and she was making a point that once the government starts depriving US citizens with names like Yaser Hamdi of their constitutional rights, soon they will come after people with names like Chris Robinson. She meant well by it and she is right. But think about what that says to me. My name is Cenk Uygur. Why shouldn't other Americans be concerned until they come for Chris Robinson? Shouldn't they care if they come for Cenk Uygur, too?

We had Senator John Danforth on the show this week and he said he was disappointed by John McCain's comments. The former Republican Senator and Episcopal priest stated emphatically that we are not a Christian nation. We are a nation that brings all different beliefs together and mixing our government with a specific religion corrupts the government and the religion.

He is right. And think about what it says to all the rest of us when people feel perfectly free to go on television and declare that this is a Christian nation. They are putting out a huge sign saying -- You Are Not Welcome Here. This country is for Christians!

Read the constitution. Thomas Jefferson, James Madison and George Washington did not agree. They were careful to point out that this is not a Christian nation. That unlike every other country in the world at the time, they were going to make America a nation that had free exercise of religion -- any and all religions. They were not going to let any religion rule the country or identify its inhabitants.

Read the constitution. You're wrong. It specifically says that all religions are welcome. The whole point of the country was to escape from religious persecution. No one religion can force its views on all of us, even if that religion is Christianity.

Read the constitution. I am an American. And under no circumstances am I going to let you take that away from me.

This is not a stand to protect me, my religion or my ethnicity. This is a stand to protect the idea of America. This country was supposed to bring all of us together. It was supposed to establish the idea that we are all equals. I still believe in that dream, and I will fight for it. I am an American.

Digg!

Cenk Uygur is co-host of The Young Turks, the first liberal radio show to air nationwide.


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thekidde
Posted by: thekidde on Oct 5, 2007 7:24 AM   
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Cenk - you do a great job on Air America along with the rest of the gang. While I'm an atheist, I respect the rights of those who believe in fantasy to believe in it as long as they don't think everyone who doesn't believe in their fantasy is somehow less than human. Keep up the good work.

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The USA was founded as a Christian country
Posted by: stevor on Oct 5, 2007 7:40 AM   
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Yes, the USA was founded as a Christian country. If you don't think so, you haven't read the words of our founders. Until the 40s, the ten commandments were even on the walls of our schools. Since that Christian ideology has been thrashed, the country has gone further and further down the toilet. If you think otherwise, you're probably one of those who enjoys that toilet (potty) life. God help us.
To the Muslims, they really ought to read up about the guy they worship. He was not a good person, not a prophet (as claimed) and definitely not worthy of being worshipped.

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» ummm Posted by: rue
» RE: Jesus Christ Posted by: chaoslegs
» Whatever drugs you're on, Posted by: hurricane hugo
GROW UP
Posted by: walldodger1969 on Oct 5, 2007 8:50 AM   
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To all worshipers of all faiths....GROW UP!. I am so sick of ya al arguing about ...nothing! We live ..we die. if we are lucky we do some good in this world. And when you die , you die. FINI! Lights out ,worm food.
Nobody has shown me different, ever.

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Bravo!!
Posted by: phrogg40 on Oct 5, 2007 8:52 AM   
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I haven't heard the truth stated better. If more Americans, of every faith, would actually read the constution, perhaps this county could again become what it was meant to be,

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You are absolutely right
Posted by: Intellect on Oct 5, 2007 8:56 AM   
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"Read the constitution. Thomas Jefferson, James Madison and George Washington did not agree. They were careful to point out that this is not a Christian nation."

Under the present pResident and due to the zealot Christian right wing who controls the Republican Party and has since Reagan, our nation has obviously decided that it is permissible to ignore the Constitution even though it is the law of the land.

It is the Constitution that made this country great, and all of us must demand it be honored and obeyed. We must elect Democrats to return our country to its previous greatness and repair the egregious harm that the Republicans have done since Reagan.

One thing I do wish is that the Islamic communities in this country would speak out loudly denouncing the terrorism perpetrated by religious zealots who have egregiously misused and twisted the tenets of the Muslim religion. I know the vast percentage of Islamics deplore the inhuman violence the fanatic zealots perpetrate.

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LET'S LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Oct 5, 2007 8:57 AM   
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Cenk, you feel free to criticize many things about us. It's your observation. In the U.S. that's OK. If I criticize you, it's discrimination because I'm born and raised in the USA and have responsibilities toward people of all kinds. You might call it respect. You might also return the favor. Where else in the world can you go and tell people what you think of them and their politicians? Let the ass kicking begin. Oh, not yours Cenk, mine. This is America. You're safe here. Thanks,ANNA

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» What???? Posted by: Tombo
Absolutely!
Posted by: Guy Townsend on Oct 5, 2007 9:05 AM   
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Those who argue that our country was founded as a Christian nation are either ignorant of our nation's history and our Constitution, or they are liars. The proof of this is that they never provide any evidence for their assertion, since that assertion is either a faith claim, or a lie. The best they can come up with is "In God We Trust" on our money (which made its first appearance in 1864, seventy-five years AFTER the adoption of the Constitution) and "one nation, under God" (which was shoe-horned into the Pledge in 1954 during the bad old days of Joe McCarthy et al). In fact, the names Jesus, Jesus Christ, and Christianity do not appear anywhere in any of the American State Papers. Those who claim that the U.S. was founded as a Christian nation have the burden of proving it is so--with EVIDENCE, not with wild-eyed (and unsupported) assertions. Until they do so they deserve to be denounced as the fools (or liars) that their assertion proves them to be.

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» RE: Absolutely! Posted by: Guy Townsend
» RE: The Founding Fathers Posted by: Nugeman
» Statuary? Posted by: Tombo
Many Christians aren't really Christians
Posted by: sphoenix on Oct 5, 2007 10:08 AM   
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Time to piss some people off I think.

Like many people in this country (USA) I was born into a Christian household and indoctrinated into several versions of it before I woke up and realized many things that have led me away from the institutions.

While absorbing all of the religious rhetoric that flies around from the streets to the White House I have reached a simple conclusion. Many people that call themselves Christians are living in fantasy.

I've done a bit of reading over the years and have done a lot of thinking and observing too. Jesus had some pretty basic teachings in my understanding. I will digress and admit that I have spent more time the past 20 years undoing my "Christianity" than in studying it in depth. For that I will beg the pardon of those who have really tried to build meaning in their lives through this avenue.

My observations, however, have led me to believe that there are really two types of Christians...those who truly try to follow the teachings of Jesus and those who use "Christianity" as a shield to protect them against the backlash for all of the evil things they really think and do.

Having just completed reading "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich", I was amused to learn that almost all of the Nazis considered themselves Christians...Hitler was Catholic!

What floors me is this, how can any person who calls themselves a Christian be OK with killing people...on any level, whether we are talking mass exterminations or one simple murder? Where in Jesus' teachings does he say that it is OK to kill your enemies, or someone who has a different belief than yours? Show me where? Didn't he "turn the other cheek"?

And where is the compassion that these fake Christians are supposed to have? And what about the money lenders? What about greed, jealousy, avarice? Weren't these all things that Jesus counseled against?

And yet the Christian 'leaders' in this country are some of the most profound hippocrites I have ever witnessed. And I am aware of huge blocks of 'Christians' who think this war in Iraq was not only OK, but was a good idea because we killed evil Saddam...but wait...Jesus wouldn't have killed anyone now would he? He would have taken the most peaceful route possible and tried to influence Saddam to think in a more spiritual fashion. The way some Christians talk, Jesus should have been packing an AK47! Not only are we protecting "OUR" oil in Iraq, but those damn Muslims...

Look, IMO Christians don't belong in Iraq...this is not a Christian war...Christians aren't supposed to torture, lie, false flag, steal, rape, murder...

I think it's high time that you REAL Christians start differentiating yourselves from the false Christians. Emphasize the teachings of your master and denounce those that falsely claim to be following the teachings of Jesus.

Actions speak louder than words.

Our Christian government is full of FALSE CHRISTIANS! They are killing in the name of Jesus!

This is the highest form of blasphemy.

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» Corporatism Posted by: herbal
ON AMERICAN AS A CHRISTIAN NATION
Posted by: rileycase on Oct 5, 2007 5:09 PM   
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Can we have a rational discussion here? There are a number of ways of talking about what is a "Christian nation?" The United States did not write Christianity into its constitution the way European nations did. The fear was not of Christianity as a religion but of denominationalism and sectarianism. However, the founding fathers carried over some Europena assumptions, one of which was the linking of civilization with Christian culture. The idea that the country was to be neutral in regards to a particularly form of Christianity is not the same as saying the founding fathers were secularists, in the ways we define secularism today. While many of the founding fathers were deists, deism was still based on (though a revision of) Christian culture. Since then, and especially in more recent times, the linking of Christian culture and Americanism has weakened. But this is itself a form of Christian culture, the respect for other points of view, even those we do not agree with. It was not the founding fathers but the Second Great Awakening that linked progress, Manifest Desitny, millennialism, and visions of a Christian civilization. While there were a number of noted atheists, skeptics, and agnotics during the 10th century, the overwhelming sentiment of American people was in some form (often competing) of Christianity. MGuffey Readers reflect this. Those who wish to drive Chrisitianty, or all religions, from the public square would do so not because of our history and traditions, but in the desire to impose an alien ideology.

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» Apostacy in a fish bowl Posted by: herbal
The Myth of a Christian Nation
Posted by: herbal on Oct 5, 2007 5:32 PM   
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Gregory Boyd, a pastor of an evengelical mega church has written a book that every Evangelical, Christian Zionist and religious right Pentacostal should read. He says, "My thesis, which caused such an outroar, is this: I believe a significant segment of American evangelism is guilty of nationalistic and political idolatry."

It is The Myth of a Christian Nation 2007, Zondervan press (the biggest Bible publisher), by Gregory Boyd.

I believe it is absolutely the best argument for the separation of church and state from a religious point of view.

Also a must see, watch the next Bill Moyers show on Christian Zionism that also features Rabbi Michael Lerner.

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Apology
Posted by: dharmatrainwreck on Oct 5, 2007 7:03 PM   
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Cenk

Sir, I believe you are even "More American" than those who have posted negatively against you here. As natives, we were born into our citizenship; however, to become a citizen, you had to exhibit a vast knowledge of United States history, well beyond the common knowledge of the average American. Additionally you were required to pledge allegiance to the United States of America.

Please Sir - accept my apology, for the ignorange of my countrymen who were born here; they take for granted what you worked so hard to achieve. Please do not judge us all, by the actions of a few. My experience has taught me that the best Americans are often those who were not born here.

with sincere respect

Connie Mack Crawley, Jr.

mackcrawley@yahoo.com

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Cenk, utterly magnificent!
Posted by: celeborn on Oct 5, 2007 10:39 PM   
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Beautifully written in magnificent language, as my college teacher would have said. Lots of nice posts followed; Kudos to all of them. We can ignore the ignoramuses whose forefathers came from the old country, mostly to escape religious persecution, just as they are aligning themselves with now... Can't they see that most of the wars, dissensions and conflict in the world is due to intolerance towards others' religions and cultures, just as ever since the time of Constantine, when Christianity became the "state" religion? And that great seer Mahatma Ghandi said so well: "I like your Christ. I do not like your christians. They are so unlike your Christ." Whatever our religious persuasions, we would do well to mind our own lives, if we are living as we should, and that means tolerance towards all.

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Dear Cenk
Posted by: herbal on Oct 6, 2007 12:12 AM   
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Let us clue you in about this free nation. It follows well defined Old World paradigms. 'Corporatism' is a term coined by Benito Mussolini to describe the mechanism of bestowing official sanction to any kind of institutions to bring them into favor of officialdom and privilege. The Nazi's called it national socialism, a part of their acronym. The churches as well as munitions manufacturers and compliant universities were all used to legitimize the regime. The Roman Catholics in both Germany and Italy and the Lutheran Church as well in Germany were the obiesant receivers of the dictators' grace; forsaking the grace of God. The neocon puppeteers of the George W. Bush Administration have ordained the Evangelical Christian right and now the Christian Zionists as its official churches. So an unholy alliance sucks the blood of the officially ordained heathen descendants of Abraham, the Muslims.

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mild
Posted by: mild on Oct 7, 2007 3:21 PM   
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thank you

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