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Hillary Plays the Rev. Wright Card and Blames Bosnia Lie on Sleep Deprivation

Posted by Chris Bowers, Open Left at 2:08 PM on March 25, 2008.


Do we really need to be telling other people where they are praying? Is that a pandora's box we really want to open in this country?
Clinton Attacks Obama on Wright

So, apparently Clinton decided to go there:

Clinton decided to weigh in on the Rev. Jeremiah Wright controversy, telling the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, "He would not have been my pastor," Clinton said. "You don't choose your family, but you choose what church you want to attend."

She continued later, "You know, I spoke out against Don Imus (who was fired from his radio and television shows after making racially insensitive remarks), saying that hate speech was unacceptable in any setting, and I believe that. I just think you have to speak out against that. You certainly have to do that, if not explicitly, then implicitly by getting up and moving."
On her sniper gaffe, "I was sleep-deprived, and I misspoke."

Even though it is not the main subject of this post, I really like that last line. I mean, if you are arguing that you are better at answering the red phone at 3 a.m., it seems like a really good idea to claim that you misspoke about national security experience because you were too tired. It really instills a lot of confidence in the 3 a.m. claim.

But anyway, do we really need to be telling other people where they are praying? Is that a pandora's box we really want to open in this country? Does a country built on religious freedom need one of the three people vying to lead the country comment on where one of the other two candidates should be praying? Really? That's a good thing for the country? That's a good thing for Democrats?

And hey, via BooMan Tribune, since we have decided to cross that line, let's see where it could lead us:

Clinton's prayer group was part of the Fellowship (or "the Family"), a network of sex-segregated cells of political, business, and military leaders dedicated to "spiritual war" on behalf of Christ, many of them recruited at the Fellowship's only public event, the annual National Prayer Breakfast. (Aside from the breakfast, the group has "made a fetish of being invisible," former Republican Senator William Armstrong has said.) The Fellowship believes that the elite win power by the will of God, who uses them for his purposes. Its mission is to help the powerful understand their role in God's plan.(...)
The Fellowship's long-term goal is "a leadership led by God-leaders of all levels of society who direct projects as they are led by the spirit." According to the Fellowship's archives, the spirit has in the past led its members in Congress to increase U.S. support for the Duvalier regime in Haiti and the Park dictatorship in South Korea. The Fellowship's God-led men have also included General Suharto of Indonesia; Honduran general and death squad organizer Gustavo Alvarez Martinez; a Deutsche Bank official disgraced by financial ties to Hitler; and dictator Siad Barre of Somalia, plus a list of other generals and dictators.

Military dictators and death squad leaders, eh? The elite winning power by the will of God, eh? This all kind of makes me wonder if Clinton's support for the Bush-McCain mission in Iraq is actually based on her right-wing prayer circle.

But you know what? It is Hillary Clinton's business where she prayers and worships, just as it is every American's business to choose where they decide to pray or not pray, worship or not worship. As soon as we start commenting on whether someone's religious choices make them qualified to lead the country or not, we start down a path where we might as well just pry into everyone's religious background. If that is the path that Clinton wants to follow, fine. However, once people start looking into The Fellowship, it will turn out pretty bad for her campaign. Further, it sends us down a pretty nasty path where religious minorities, which in this country technically means everyone, are going to have a hard time holding public office.

Holding a national conversation about religion could put us in a much nastier place than even a national conversation about race, especially if it starts by openly questioning someone else's religious choices. As Hillary Clinton said, religion is indeed a choice, and one that the Constitution guarantees as the right of every American. Once we start to question those choices, rather than a slippery slope, that is pretty much a steep cliff. And once we start falling, there is no going back. There are some things that must always be left private.  

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Chris Bowers was a full-time editor at MyDD from May 2004 until June 2007. Some of his projects have included the creation of the Liberal Blog Advertising Network, the first scientifically random poll of progressive netroots activists, the Use It Or Lose It campaign, the nation's most accurate forecast of Democratic house pickups in 2006, and the 2006 Googlebomb the Elections campaign.


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Will somebody make Billary shut the f--k up!
Posted by: HughScott on Mar 25, 2008 2:12 PM   
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Enough said.

Hugh E. Scott--Vietnam veteran, lifelong registered Republican and ardent Obama fan who will vote for John McCain if Billary steals the Democratic nomination.

PS: No more Clintons in the White House -- PLEASE!

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» now with actual footage! Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
Sleep Deprivation?
Posted by: SoCalLib on Mar 25, 2008 2:23 PM   
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Is that really the explanation we want to hear from the person who says she's the one we're supposed to trust to wake up and answer the phone at 3am?

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» RE: Sleep Deprivation? Posted by: nochicagoboys
» RE: Sleep Deprivation? Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Sleep Deprivation? Posted by: JSquercia
Unforgiven
Posted by: QQOblivion on Mar 25, 2008 2:33 PM   
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Why doesn't Hillary criticize John McCain for McCain's "spiritual guides", the Revs Ron Parsley and John Hagee? Why criticize Obama instead? Because, perhaps, she would rather McCain become president than Obama.
Hey, if McCain wins in November, I will blame Hillary personally for the loss. So will lots of people. And I will never forgive her.

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» RE: Unforgiven Posted by: bc430
» RE: Unforgiven Posted by: nochicagoboys
"God Damn" them Both
Posted by: hotdog on Mar 25, 2008 2:38 PM   
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and let's keep religion out of politics entirely.

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More like Ethically deficient, if you ask me
Posted by: dayahka on Mar 25, 2008 3:31 PM   
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Sleep deprived. Ha ha ha! If you believe that, I've got some structured investment vehicles to sell you. Hillary is chronically ethically deficient, in short a liar. Was she ever under sniper fire? Did she ever do anything with policy implications or just cut ribbons?

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Running Sleepy with Scissors
Posted by: bessie on Mar 25, 2008 3:49 PM   
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Each day, Hillary brings out a new set of scissors, that slash into questions of race, religion, patriotism, experience, and gender. If the blowback isn't to her benefit, then, she resorts to tears, whining, fake laughs, or more lies, and now a new one - sleep deprivation! Who is writing this stuff? Given her example, during this campaign, she is hardly in a position to be talking about the morality, credibility, or religion of anyone else. Hillary should be speaking about her own religion & prayer group & what values she embraces. Then we'd have a better idea if she is totally unstable or evil or both.

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Atheist in Paradise
Posted by: blackie4aces on Mar 25, 2008 4:44 PM   
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I sure am glad I'm an atheist or else I'd be all fucked about who(m) to vote for. Fortunately in America, I am surrounded by so many people who profess so many whacked-out ideas about shit they couldn't possibly have any real knowledge of, I am kind of immune to this crap about candidates' theology. I do know we have a religious president who, when asked who his most influential philosopher was, stated it was Jesus Christ. Wow! I also know when this president was a governor in Texas according to his own words he never lost a bit of sleep over the executions he signed off on. I also know that he claims to not have lost any sleep over his decision to go to war, which at current count had caused the violent deaths of anywhere from 100,000 to 1,000,000 human beings, depending upon whose numbers one chooses to believe. The low number works for me. That's a lot of motherfuckers to be waitin' for your ass in hell, I'd say.

Now I know atheists probably read the bible differently from the way a Christian reads it. Still, accounting for even extreme differences, it is hard to conceive of the New Testament character called Jesus being Bush's guiding philosopher. Clinton has what could be considered a more "Christian" attitude, what with her love of children (except the tens of thousands of Iraqi children who died under the sanctions she backed), but it feels to this observer more a means (her attitude) to an end; apparently she will say anything and do anything to get what she wants, which is power and more power. Her words (look it up), not mine. Mrs. Clinton also does not seem overly concerned with violent death [the Balkans, the Sudan, Iraq, and the aforementioned children of Iraq], or virtual non-stop lying.

Actually, maybe Clinton should have had a pastor like Wright, because just about everything he said is true. That just might have helped with the lying problem, an example of not lying just because the truth might be very unpopular. Why would we want a president who exists in some fantasy land-well, another one, anyway. I am thankful that I am an atheist because I don't have to deal with all these crazy beliefs, but I also know without them I can never get elected to anything in America.

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» For an Atheist in Paradise Posted by: foreverhope
» RE: For an Atheist in Paradise Posted by: blackie4aces
» RE: Atheist in Paradise Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Atheist in Paradise Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Atheist in Paradise Posted by: Longdream
» CORRECTION - Longdream! Posted by: Quannah
Well, she certainly seemed perky when she joined the rush to war
Posted by: Rune on Mar 25, 2008 4:58 PM   
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What was her excuse for that? Many other Senators not only voted against the authorization to turn Bush into an unchecked dictator, the spoke out against who wrong and dangerous it was to rush to war with Iraq without a careful and complete debate. Was Hillary just sleep walking through that one?

And what about her recent revisionist history (i.e., lies )about opposing NAFTA, when the record (all 11,000 pages of it) shows that she not only pushed hard to pass NAFTA, she organized over 100 prominent women to do the same. Was she just drunk off her ass for days while she campaigned throughout Ohio telling anyone who would listen that she always opposed the treaty that helped to offshore entire industries and the jobs they once provided here at home?

No, it ain't sleep deprivation, it ain't booze, and it isn't even a matter of poor judgment. Hillary Clinton is an unrepentant liar because she must lie to have a shot at becoming the president, whereupon she will continue to do the bidding of the corporate interests and foreign interests who bought her off long ago, with help from a husband who is infamous for lying to us and to her. She doesn't even have a legitimate shot at the nomination, yet she is already demonstrating that she can give George Bush a run for his money (our money, actually) as the lyingest president of all time.

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Not Ready for Prime Time--Not even Close
Posted by: blackie4aces on Mar 25, 2008 5:27 PM   
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Look, folks, it is readily apparent to most of us, and should be to even her supporters, that the Lady Clinton is but a rank amateur. It is one thing to win a couple of state Senate races that half the electorate doesn't give a damn about against weak candidates when you are the ex-president's wife. It is quite another to run for the presidency of the United States. No place for amateurs.

Yea, she misspoke alright. This is beyond funny. She went on and on, making up a long and detailed story, all invented out of whole cloth and when caught, she fucking lies again! I "misspoke" due to sleep deprivation, she says. For two to three paragraphs worth of her little story! Yea, she must have "dreamed" it all up. This is fucking hilarious. It's just too bad it is also so goddam sad. And scary.

Could it be that all the exaggerations and outright misrepresentations of her experience issue has led her to think that she needs to throw a little "hero" stuff into the calculus? What other reason for such a silly lie?

This latest bit of getting caught in the absurd and ridiculous, not to say totally unnecessary, fabrication of her little war story lays it out pretty clearly. This person needs to get the hell out of the kitchen. Ethics aside, ability aside (when has she been effective other than stirring up an occasional shitstorm?), honesty aside, morality aside, we can't tolerate this level of nonsense. It's embarrassing

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Time for last call.
Posted by: gallery on Mar 25, 2008 5:27 PM   
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McCain makes "gaffes" and has "senior moments" but Hillary "LIES"
Thats how it will be spun regardless of the facts. She could cure cancer and it would be seen as a gift to the pharmaceuticals.
My opinion of her has dropped to an all time low for not seeing the writing on the wall.
No, I don't hate her.
But I CANNOT vote for someone who will be a lighting rod for every fucking wingnut that didn't get their fill of trashing Bill.
The amount of energy deflecting criticism will completely undermine ANYTHING she tries to accomplish. I for one don't want to see the collapse of right wing talk radio and fox news get a resurgent boost by having their favorite pinata back in the white house.
The country says that it's time for a change. I agree.
Step aside and let the will of the people dictate our path.

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» RE: Yea, she does. Posted by: blackie4aces
Sleep Deprivation at 3 AM...
Posted by: AlexLawyer on Mar 25, 2008 6:41 PM   
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So maybe Reverend Wright was sleep-deprived, too, when he preached that sermon. Fact is that what he said was true, unlike Hillary's whopper. When she answers that famous 3 AM phone call, what will sleep deprivation do to her then?

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Sleep deprived?
Posted by: Longdream on Mar 25, 2008 8:49 PM   
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I can believe it. She looks pretty sleepy. She also looks about 70.

I thought a spiritual guide was the ectoplasm, usually named Injun Joe or something, that came out of the bogus medium's nose and told you about your dead relatives.

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She spiss-moke.
Posted by: radiomorning on Mar 25, 2008 9:57 PM   
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When I mis-speak it normally sounds something like "Does anyone need the bathroom? I'm going to go shake a tower."

Not "I was under sniper fire and had to run to the car with my head down."

Pathetic.

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You lying sack of shit
Posted by: hurricane hugo on Mar 25, 2008 11:46 PM   
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!

jdfu!

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Well...
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Mar 26, 2008 4:08 AM   
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Maybe she was so tired that she fell asleep and dreamed that she was in Bosnia being shot at by snipers.

I like the connection you make between the 3am phone call and her excuse.

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Crossing over
Posted by: jebpgh on Mar 26, 2008 6:26 AM   
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As i was walking that extra mile today on the treadmill it hit me - Hillary is throwing the election to John McCain - she's gone Lieberman on us! There is no other logical explanation. As I walked into the gym today there on the front page of both the Pittsburgh Tribune and the Post-Gazette are banner headlines about her need to bring up Rev. Wright again. Meanwhile her husband is out telling audiences that John McCain is the second most qualified candidate for president next to his wife. The Clintons have gone GOP on us. When a student asked Chelsea if her mom regretted calling the attacks on Bill over Lewinsky-gate a "vast right-wing conspiracy" after she found out it was true she shut down the meeting and said that it was personal and none of their business. Harumph!

If the DNC doesn't step in soon (like in the next few days) this will all be over and we can all start planning how to deal with the next four years of Bush-McCain.

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» RE: Crossing over Posted by: zizizzi
Frostman
Posted by: Frostman on Mar 26, 2008 7:50 AM   
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Freedom of Religion?
Freedom of Speech?
Hillary's Presidency
Is well out of reach!

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President Bush's Clone!
Posted by: auromar on Mar 26, 2008 11:57 AM   
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So far Senator Hillary sounds like President Bush's clone. She's the best going for the GOP right now - reason why Senator McCain would say anything to stay in the GOP ticket. Very intertaining those two!

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Insomnia
Posted by: rafey on Mar 26, 2008 1:28 PM   
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It's all true ! Every time I miss a night's sleep, I tell my patients that they have the flu instead of fessing up to the fact that they have the big 'C' . Now I have a legitamate defense in case someone decides to sue.

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Is she reading her answer?
Posted by: Tombo on Mar 26, 2008 2:24 PM   
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She is looking down at the podium a little too much.

I guess since she is sleep deprived they have to supply questions before hand so she (and maybe her ghost writer whom she will later denounce) can write up a response.

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Multiple episodes
Posted by: lamac66 on Mar 26, 2008 7:07 PM   
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How do you have sleep deperivation on three different occassions? Come on Senator Clinton!

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Described as
Posted by: JSquercia on Mar 27, 2008 2:05 PM   
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Pennsylvania is decribed by some as a microcosom of the US with the eastern and western parts more like the Coasts and the middle more like the South . I guess we all know that she is attacking Rev Wright to get those redneck types .

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