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Are There Enough Votes For a Public Option? Here's the Math

Posted by Chris Bowers, Open Left at 8:31 AM on October 8, 2009.


There are at least 188 votes for the public option, only 29 away from passage.

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At the request of Speaker Pelosi, the Congressional Progressive Caucus is currently undertaking a whip count to see if there are enough votes to pass a health care reform bill in that chamber with a "robust" public option (that is, a public option tied to Medicare rates, +5%).

As I reported on Friday, they began this whip count a couple weeks ago, interrupting their whip count of House Progressives who would vote against a health care reform without a robust public option to do so.

Yesterday, anonymous Blue Dog aides told Politico that Progressives had found only 145 votes for the robust public option during this whip count. This morning, Greg Sargent reports that Progressive Caucus Co-Chair Raul Grijalva's office is claiming a much higher number, around 180:

"I am confident that we have the support of over 70% of the Democratic Caucus," Grivalva said in a statement emailed my way. That means according to him, around 180 of the 256 Dems in the House are prepared to back the robust public option right now.

Sargent is correct, not the anonymous Blue Dog aides. I know this, because I have the actual numbers. As of Friday, here is where the whip count stood:

 

Progressive Caucus Whip Count on Robust Public Option
Democrats only, 217 needed for passage
Yes: 183
No: 22
Undecided: 20
Not Whipped: 31

All 22 of the no votes are Blue Dogs. Every single one.

Also, the House leadership is a significant portion of the Democrats who were not whipped. This means Speaker Pelosi and Representatives Hoyer, Clyburn Van Hollen, (John) Larson and Becerra. None of these members are Blue Dogs, and only Hoyer would conceivably be opposed to the robust public option.

That means there are at least 188 votes for the public option, only 29 away from passage. The chances of reaching 217 (there are currently only 433 members of the House, due to two vacancies) with the remaining members are pretty solid, too. Consider:

  1. Even if all 117 members of the Progressive Caucus and Tri-Caucus (Black Caucus, Hispanic Caucus, Asian Pacific American Caucus) are in favor of the robust public option, that means non-Progressive and non-Tri-Caucus Dems are currently breaking 71-22 in favor of the robust public option (188 minus 117). If the remaining 45 undecided and unwhipped members (31 plus 20 minus the 6 leaders) break in favor of the robust public option at the same rate (76%) as the other non-Progressive and non-Tri-Caucus Dems, that means there are another 34 votes in favor, which would be enough for passage.
  2. The Progressive Caucus had moved to within 29 votes of passage (and really 28, given that Hoyer would likely fall in line on the floor), without any assistance or pressure from the leadership. As such, they are already close to the point where leadership assistance and pressure can bring health care reform with a robust public option over the finish line.

This whip count will largely determine what sort of public option is in the health care bill sent to the floor of the House. If the leadership is convinced it can reach 217 because of this whip count, they will send a bill with a public option tied to Medicare rates to the floor of the House. If they do not, then at the request of the Blue Dogs a public option with negotiated rates will be sent to floor. From that point, it is highly unlikely the public option would be strengthened.

 

Every step of the process is important in this campaign. If the House passes a weaker public option with negotiated rates, then it is less likely that any public option will end up in the final bill. If the Senate does not include a public option in the merged Finance and HELP committee bill that is sent to the floor of the Senate, then it is less likely that a public option of any sort will be included in the final bill. As such, not only is it heartening to see this whip count showing real strength, but it is heartening to see Wyden and Rockefeller demurring on voting for the Baucus bill in the Senate Finance committee. If Wyden and Rockefeller can use their leverage to send a public option to the floor, and if the Progressive Caucus can get a robust public option through the House, then we will be on the brink of victory. If neither happens, then we will be close to defeat.

There is still a long way to go in this campaign, and a lot of variables are still to be determined.

Update: I have just learned that the leadership who was not whipped is larger than just the top five plus DCCC chair Van Hollen. Exactly how many leaders were not whipped is unclear, but it might be as many as the 16 House Democrats listed here plus Van Hollen. If so, that would mean another 8-10 votes.

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Chris Bowers was a full-time editor at MyDD from May 2004 until June 2007. Some of his projects have included the creation of the Liberal Blog Advertising Network, the first scientifically random poll of progressive netroots activists, the Use It Or Lose It campaign, the nation's most accurate forecast of Democratic house pickups in 2006, and the 2006 Googlebomb the Elections campaign.


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Try this math
Posted by: mom'z the word on Oct 8, 2009 10:15 AM   
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1+1=2. That's all it would take to pass a Single Payer health care. Any Congress person that has accepted one single dime from the "Health Care" industry is forbidden from voting on any bill with the words Health Care in it on the grounds that that money constitutes a conflict of interest, undue influence, and prejudice. They must recuse themselves and therefore are not permitted to vote. Simple math. Simple logic. Simple simple simple. What part of simple do we not understand here?

Once the money influence is removed that leaves exactly two Senators that I know of, that could vote on Health Care, Bernie Sanders and Dennis Kucinich. I trust these two people with my life and know that the reason they want Single Payer Health care is because it is the best plan for the people and that is the only reason. I trust them. I do not trust any Congress person that has accepted money from the industry and that is for good reason. They can't be trusted therefore they must recuse themselves. If they don't recuse themselves then we have fraud. And anything based on a fraud is null and void.

People should be screaming bloody murder right now if any member of Congress that has taken money from the health care industry is allowed to vote on a health care bill. What the hell is wrong with this picture people? Congress is NOT listening to us or meeting our demands because they don't have to. We are the bunch of wimps here because we do not carry through on our threats or demands as voters and constitutes and citizens with rights. The call to action here should be to make sure that any Congress person that accepted money from the health care industry is not allowed to vote on this bill. If they do vote then the bill is null and void. It does not count. It will not count until only those that have no vested interest in the outcome vote on it. Bernie Sanders and Dennis Kucinich. 1+1=2. Do the math.

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Incorrect Math
Posted by: mkarsh on Oct 8, 2009 10:27 AM   
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There are 435 members of the House of Representatives. Half of 435 is 217.5. To pass, you have to round that UP not DOWN to the nearest whole number. Rounding that UP to the nearest whole number gives 218, not 217. Therefore, if they just have 188 votes, they are 30, not just 29 shy of passage.

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The Blue Dog solution.
Posted by: BlueSun on Oct 8, 2009 1:08 PM   
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What I think the Dems would be wise doing is to trade all of these Blue Dogs to the Republican team in exchange for one dollar in fair value and a third round draft choice from 2010 to be named later.

Then we can get down to running authentic Democrats next year and let the Blue Dogs try to prevail in the Republican primaries with their 'good friends.' I'd bet we never hear from a single one of them again.

At this point, I'd rather see the Democratic party lose ground if, in doing so, it can purge itself of the empty ideology of the Republicrats and rebuild around the party's great traditional core values of yesteryear.

We might invite a new Republican holocaust for a while, but at least, when the GOP again are thrown out on their overstuffed arses, leaving another big, steaming, heap of wet horse puckey on the Oval Office carpet, the Democratic party will actually have policies and ideals to replace them next time around.

Good riddance.

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The best outcome...
Posted by: BlueSun on Oct 8, 2009 1:18 PM   
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The best outcome would have been if Obama and the Democratic party had stood up strongly on their hind legs and campaigned passionately for a single-payer system, with all involved vowing to settle for nothing less.

They may well lose, as Truman lost on Medicare in his era, but we must remember that two decades later, LBJ was able to finally fulfill Truman's goal. It is far better to stand for principle and go down fighting than it is to compromise everything away and end up throwing a blivet at the American people [a blivet is 100 pounds of wet, steaming cow manure stuffed into a 50-pound sack].


Sometimes half-a-loaf (or half-a slice, in this case) is far worse than no loaf at all. A bad bill now, will make it that much harder to pick up the fight again in the future than an outright loss on principle would.

If we compromise away all of the critical elements of reform and pass a truly horrid bill that does little but further enrich the insurance industry and impoverish ordinary Americans, just to have a bill passed in name only, few Americans will be fooled. And, as the current decline in our health infrastructure goes into total collapse (say, some time around 2012), it is the Democrats' inability to craft and pass good quality legislature with all their majority power, and not the relatively powerless minority of "Just Say No" Republicans who will be blamed. In fact, the Republicans, though they helped in their small way to sabotage the bill, will be campaigning on "I Told You So," and "You Can't Trust the Government To Do Anything Right."

And, in this example, who's to say they aren't right?

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