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Christian Group to Burn Children's Book at the Stake

Posted by Mustang Bobby, Shakesville at 11:40 AM on June 16, 2009.


These folks have a lot to learn about civil liberties, not to mention a lot about Christianity, too.

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A so-called "Christian" group in Wisconsin has some hot plans for a book in a local library.

Francesca Lia Block, an award-winning author of young-adult books (the "Weetzie Bat" series among them), has known for a while now that one of her novels, "Baby Be-Bop" is at the center of a controversy in West Bend, Wis.

A few days ago, she found out that it might be burned at the stake. "Baby Be-Bop" is on a list of titles that a local group calling itself the West Bend Citizens for Safe Libraries objects to seeing in the public library. In February, the group asked the library's board to remove a page of recommended titles about gay and lesbian issues for young people (including "Baby Be-Bop") from the library's Web site. Then they demanded that the books be moved from the youth section of the library and placed with the adult collection, "to protect children from accessing them without their parents' knowledge and supervision."

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Now an outfit called the Christian Civil Liberties Union has gotten in on the act, suing the library for, according to the West Bend Daily News, "damaging" the "mental and emotional well-being" of several individuals by displaying "Baby Be-Bop" in the library. Since attempts to label the novel as "pornographic" have failed, the (somewhat shadowy) CCLU hopes to brand it as hate speech, in part because it contains the word "nigger." The complainants, described as "elderly" by the newspaper, claim that Block's novel is "explicitly vulgar, racial [sic] and anti-Christian." They want the library's copy not only removed but publicly burned.

"Baby Be-Bop," a title from the Weetzie Bat series that describes the youth of Weetzie's best friend, Dirk, is, in Block's words, "a very sweet, simple, coming-of-age story about a young man's discovery that he's gay." Dirk is beaten by gay bashers but steadfastly clings to the possibility of finding love. Block finds the disingenuous charges of racism particularly distressing. "Obviously I use those words, including 'faggot,' which is also in the book, to expose racism and homophobia, not promote it," she said. "It's a tiny little book," she added, "but they want to burn it like a witch."

I wouldn't question the CCLU in the area of "hate speech;" they seem to be experts in that field.

 

It's one thing to want a book that might be considered inappropriate for children put on a shelf in a library that clearly states that it is meant for adults, but this book doesn't sound anything like that; contrary to the feverish obsession of these ignoramuses, there's more to being gay than just having sex. (True to form, the folks who carry on about morality and the Radical Homosexual Agenda are a lot more preoccupied with sex than any normal person -- gay or straight -- should be.) To advocate for publicly burning a book brings it to a level of psychosis that reaches way beyond looking out for what's appropriate and what's not. These people have a deep-seated phobia about anything connected with homosexuality, and it's pretty scary that they're disturbed enough to come out, so to speak, with their rage and their hatred.

These folks have a lot to learn about civil liberties, not to mention a lot about Christianity, too.

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Mustang Bobby is a regular blogger for Shakesville.


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"not to mention a lot about Christianity"
Posted by: oregoncharles on Jun 16, 2009 11:58 AM   
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Wrong.

Burning at the stake is so VERY Christian - I think they invented it.

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Book-burning?
Posted by: Quannah on Jun 16, 2009 12:03 PM   
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And the Republics on this forum claim they aren't fascist?

Gimmee a break!

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Most of my Gay and Lesbian friends were brought up in Christian homes.....
Posted by: Live Gently on Jun 16, 2009 12:07 PM   
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So I'm thinking that Christianity may have more to do with being gay than a children's book would.
And, using the logic of this group - shouldn't they be the one's feeling the heat? Just saying.

How awful for the people of West Bend to have so many 'Christian' lunatics roaming around armed with torches, fear and hatred.

Idiots.

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hate speech
Posted by: WyrdSister on Jun 16, 2009 1:09 PM   
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they dont know what fucking hate speech is; even as it spews from their tongues.

all i can do is shake my head in shame.
the cclu?!? are you kidding me?

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Can I sue the CCLU?
Posted by: SufiLizard on Jun 16, 2009 2:08 PM   
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By their logic, I could sue the CCLU for "damaging" the "mental and emotional well-being" of myself.

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So many right-wing christians
Posted by: TheNamelessCity on Jun 16, 2009 2:53 PM   
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but SO FEW LIONS!!!!!!

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These are the voters...
Posted by: Figfest on Jun 17, 2009 1:13 AM   
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...who President Obama is courting. I wonder how many he'll pick up to replace the gay and lesbian Americans he has betrayed.

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Lesson Learned
Posted by: jmmartin on Jun 17, 2009 4:13 AM   
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So, Iran couldn't happen here? This is what happens in a Nazi state or, for that matter, one with a theocratic underpinning.

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» RE: Lesson Learned Posted by: Dak
confused
Posted by: davy on Jun 17, 2009 4:40 AM   
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I thought it said in the Bible that "God is love". When you "become as a little child", do you want to burn books?

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not a fan of book burning, but...
Posted by: brer on Jun 17, 2009 4:51 AM   
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do we really have to have gay issues in a book with such an infantile title (and by infantile, I mean a book targeted to infants) Babies should be learning about apples and horses and potty training.

Don't burn the book. Just throw it out.

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Christianity? Really?
Posted by: thisizrob on Jun 17, 2009 5:06 AM   
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Seems to me that most folks commenting here really have no idea what real Christianity is and the folks they are talking about are probably just as much in the dark and really have a very warped idea of what Christianity is also.
So all you gay people are bad and naughty are you? these "Christians are quite happy to point out where you have gone off the rails but there is something else that they have really got wrong. They seem to want to stand in judgement of you folks but they altogether forget that they are generally breaking one of the commandments themselves, a point that they will justify with great zeal and declare themselves as being right in doing what they are doing.
The Gay person does NOT need to beaten around the head with this soapbox stand of these Christians, in my thinking, and its just my thinking, the Gay people need friendship and understanding AND they need to be gently nurtured, NOT treated as criminals. When they learn the Love of God and how He treats people, their lives will take on a whole new direction. Present day so called Christianity which has been so infiltrated with falsehoods and self righteousness would have them all burned at the stake with the books. Give them a break, Give them Jesus, the Jesus who was the friend of Mary Magdalene and never accused her even though the self righteous leaders of religion were so set on having her stoned to death. The story of how Jesus treated Mary is one that each of us needs to read, study and emulate. Then, there is the chance that Real Christianity just might be shown to all.

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Good Example
Posted by: bazoobee on Jun 17, 2009 5:08 AM   
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Christ would be more creative.

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Right about book wrong for kids, wrong in actions?
Posted by: melloe2 on Jun 17, 2009 5:30 AM   
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I think they are correct about the book is not one for the very young if it is what they say.. OTOH think the idea of burning it is wrong on too many levels. If in fact this article is reporting all the facts.

But the comments on this forum are almost as bad. Right wing Christian organizations have done a lot of harm these last 30 years, but I would want a bit more information to put this in that category.

I don't know that this supposedly Christian organization is doing more harm than good, or that the reporting of the issue is slanted to stir up the Homosexuals and supporters.

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Idiots who burn books...
Posted by: Seranvali on Jun 17, 2009 5:45 AM   
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Oh dear, and here was I thinking that even fundamentalist Christians had grown past that mediaeval mindset. You'd think that they'd have learned that burning books just makes people a. inquisitive; b. makes the book more valuable in the eyes of their opponents and c. makes them look like ignorant, fascist idiots.

I have a really strong feeling of deja vu...

Besides, I see absolutely nothing wrong with introducing teenagers to gay issues. It might even prevent some homophobic attitudes in the future.

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Go Taliban!
Posted by: jcalhoun on Jun 17, 2009 6:09 AM   
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I mean, Christians!

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Give me the list
Posted by: Erin on Jun 17, 2009 6:48 AM   
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If I could get the list of books being banned and burned by the religious right I would buy copies for my grndchildren, and the children and grandchildren of all my friends and family. If these people want to burn them, then there must be something important that all childten should read.

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Christians in Name Only
Posted by: vasumurti on Jun 17, 2009 7:11 AM   
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I don't expect conservative Christians to support lesbian and gay rights, but they really should be teaching tolerance and forgiveness.

Back in 1990, my friend Rankin Fisher, a former Missionary Baptist minister, who also happens to be gay, commented, "No religion can condone homosexuality."

That may be, but no religion can condone sex outside of marriage, either. People are doing these things anyway! Who am I to pass judgment on another?

"All have sinned and all fall short of the glory of God," is how the apostle Paul put it.

Paul told his followers to bless their persecutors and not curse them (Romans 12:14), to care for their enemies by providing them with food and drink (12:20), and to pay their taxes and obey all earthly governments (13:1-7). He mentioned giving all his belongings to feed the hungry (I Corinthians 13:3), and taught giving to the person in need (Ephesians 4:23). He told his followers it was wrong to take their conflicts before non-Christian courts rather than before the saints. (I Corinthians 6:1)

Paul taught "it is good for a man not to touch a woman," i.e., it is best to be celibate, but because of prevailing immoralities, marriage is allowed. Divorce is permissible in the case of an unbeliever demanding separation. (I Corinthians 7)

"This is God's will--your sanctification, that you keep yourselves from sexual immorality, that each of you learn how to take his own wife in purity and honor, not in lustful passion like the gentiles who have no knowledge of God." (I Thessalonians 4:3-5)

Paul told his followers not to associate with sexually immoral people (I Corinthians 5:9-12, 6:15,18). He opposed homosexuality (Romans 1:24-27) and incest (I Corinthians 5:1). He taught that fornicators, idolaters, adulterers and robbers will not inherit the kingdom of God. (I Corinthians 6:9-10)

Paul condemned wickedness, immorality, depravity, greed, murder, quarreling, deceit, malignity, gossip, slander, insolence, pride (Romans 1:29-30), drunkenness, carousing, debauchery, jealousy (Romans 13:13), sensuality, magic arts, animosities, bad temper, selfishness, dissensions, envy (Galatians 5:19-21; greediness (Ephesians 4:19; Colossians 3:5), foul speech, anger, clamor, abusive language, malice (Ephesians 4:29-32), dishonesty (Colossians 3:13), materialism (I Timothy 6:6-11), conceit, avarice, boasting and treachery. (II Timothy 3:2-4)

Paul praised love, joy, peace, kindness, generosity, fidelity and gentleness (Galatians 5:22-23). He told his followers to conduct themselves with humility and gentleness (Ephesians 4:2), to speak to one another in psalms and hymns; to sing heartily and make music to the Lord. (Ephesians 5:19; Colossians 3:16)

Paul told the gentiles to train themselves for godliness, to practice self-control and lead upright, godly lives (Galatians 5:23; I Timothy 4:7; II Timothy 1:7; Titus 2:11-12). He told them to ALWAYS pray constantly. (I Thessalonians 5:17)

Paul wrote further that women should cover their heads while worshiping, and that long hair on males is dishonorable. (I Corinthians 11:5-14) According to Paul, Christian women are to dress modestly and prudently, and are not to be adorned with braided hair, gold or pearls or expensive clothes. (I Timothy 2:9)

My problem really isn't with Christians in name only not being able to follow Paul, but with the hypocrisy of saying "I believe," and then ignoring the rest of what their religion dictates when it suits them. Why not just be secular, like everyone else? (It would certainly make things easier for those of us in the vegetarian and animal rights movements.)

It's my contention all of us (Christians included!) really live in a secular society; one in which people merely pay lip service to religious ideals.

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Missed the point
Posted by: sawdust on Jun 17, 2009 7:33 AM   
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Fundmentalist "Christians" have lost sight of the fundamentals, thereby further polarizing our society. I have a good idea for what they can do with their stake.

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Anthony D'Auria
Posted by: Tony D on Jun 17, 2009 8:15 AM   
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Just maybe, these insane fundamentalists should be labeled as child abusers and prevented from entering library's.

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Burn Baby Burn!
Posted by: johnbradleycopeland on Jun 17, 2009 9:23 AM   
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I hope these fools stand to close to the fire and are consumed! These damn christian taliban fanaticos can't live thier own lives but want to rule and ruin others! They don't even "believe" thier own religious doctrines nor follow them. Disgusting hypocrites!!!!

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Fundamentalists...
Posted by: frank69 on Jun 17, 2009 9:24 AM   
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Attention all Fundamentalists: Don't forget to pick up you crayons at the door as you enter the library so you take notes.

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The Fundamentalist Mindset
Posted by: Freticat on Jun 17, 2009 9:34 AM   
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"Gee, I'm so stupid and gullible that I risk my immortal soul by reading this book. Everybody else must be just as stupid and gullible as me. THey have to be protected."

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You know who
Posted by: JefffromCA on Jun 17, 2009 11:04 AM   
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else liked to burn books?

That's right, Uncle Adolf. I wonder if these bookburners are aware of that. Wait, what? Fundagelical Christians? Nevermind. They will probably put on brown shirts for the "ceremonies"

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The monster under the bed
Posted by: willymack on Jun 17, 2009 12:10 PM   
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Let's go back to the early days of christianity, shall we? That'd be Rome, where st peter hung out, and if memory serves was crucified upside-down there.
The ancient Romans were tolerant of other religions, as long as those other religions didn't insult their own multi-theistic beliefs, or represent a danger of violent behavior toward Roman citizens. From the earliest times christians were homicidal fanatics, utterly hostile towards any other philosophies or religions.
So, it came to pass that the Romans thought christians would make a good dietary supplement for the lions in the arena, and a good lesson in civility as well as good, wholesome fun for all.
Notable in all this is the fact that some 300,000 Jews lived in Rome at this time, and as far as I know, none of them ever became lion kibbles.
The same ferocious, hateful intolerance felt by some christians even today represents a very real threat to our freedoms. Just imagine these nuts gaining real power, and the book burning progressing to witch burning. They're a monster under our beds which we ignore at our own peril.

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» Just one little detail Posted by: Cytocop
It's Embarassing to be Christian sometimes....
Posted by: Ninure on Jun 17, 2009 2:11 PM   
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Do they folks EVER read History?

The actual persecutors of Christians - as opposed to folks in the Free World who simply didagree with Christians - have not only burned Christian books, but Christians themselves.

The Nazis burned Christians and Jews, as well as their books.

Do these people really want to align themselves with that kind of actions/thinking?

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Puritans can be prurient too
Posted by: hilaryuk on Jun 17, 2009 2:19 PM   
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In the UK local councils have a rarely used power that enables them to stop a cinema showing a particular film. I remember an attempt to do so occurred when I was unlucky enought to be a councillor and the members of the relevant committee were ordered to go and watch the damm thing. I was not alone in being pretty bored as the film just wasn't very good, but was amused to see that all the "moral majority" types were enthralled. Indeed, during the subsequent committee discussion, they produced startlingly detailed descriptions of the most "offensive" scenes. I couldn't remember them - must have been when I snuck out for coffee - so innocently asked for more details. These were enthusiastically supplied.

One thing you can say about puritans: they really take the investigation of corruption seriously.

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It is a joke, no?
Posted by: oregonox on Jun 17, 2009 2:47 PM   
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This is soo funny. Notice the mention of the four "eldery" plaintifs. SNL should do this story as a skit! It's rich!

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Seriously now,,,,,
Posted by: Aquinas on Jun 17, 2009 4:10 PM   
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how the hell does Christians burning books qualify as news?

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Burning books!
Posted by: Cat37 on Jun 17, 2009 4:30 PM   
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I forgot who coined this expresion but it fits here! A country that burns books will eventually burn PEOPLE!

NO ONE has the right to burn ANYONE'S books, particularly when the author is trying to expose how BAD gay bashing and attacking innocent people because of your own fears is! This author's work should NOT be treated like THIS! This is HORRIBLE!

HOW would the christians liks it if a book THEY valued was burned *such as the BIBLE*! NOT everyone is christian but NO BOOK should be destroyed! Doing the above is JUST as bad as doing what these guys are demanding! HOw DARE they!

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» RE: Burning books! - YES Posted by: Cytocop
Book Burning
Posted by: Gerald on Jun 17, 2009 4:38 PM   
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The whole bru-ha-ha sounds like a hate crime.

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What would Jesus really say about this!
Posted by: Sawyer on Jun 17, 2009 8:29 PM   
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Well he said nothing about being gay or straight that has made it to the records. In fact he said that for those few who wanted to "give their all" to the Kingdom of God/Heaven, it could include all our sexuality as well as all of our thoughts, feelings and actions. He even approved of castration in this regard, "making oneself a eunuch", which of course few think was meant literally, but then few can handle that he also said we'd have to give up our "will" - "Thy will be done", and "deny yourself" to be his disciple. But this really applied to those he was speaking to as all are not ready to take what is seen as drastic and fanactical steps. But he also said that we should not be looking to humans as intercessors between us and God and he also said we shouldn't be praying aloud as it gives the appearance of holy that has us believe we are elevating ourselves, yet how many millions do those things and teach others to do them - Holy Father, Reverend..titles all set humans above humans who don't have those titles in this regard. Furthermore Christianity is really Paulianity and Paul never knew the man, but Paul is more quoted than Jesus and Paul was an egotist, though so are we all to some degree so this is not a judgement against him really, as all mammalians are egotists first. Paul's vision was a Luciferian discarnate, and/or a space alien magic trick, just as Jesus predicted would happen. And what kid is going to pick up a book about being gay and then think/feel, oh wow, I want to be gay too, that sounds like fun. All religions, are frauds, though there are good things about them and some of their members are probably doing the best they can, so it's not for us to judge who is better than who in this regard, but when people start to wear a banner of telling others how to act, it's really a luciferian manner they are eminating. Of course many fear even the idea that Lucifer and others of his ilk were real people, just like many fear Jesus is/was a real person, just like so many seem to think this planet came about through random reactions when the empirical evidence is overwhelmingly the opposite, that is for those few who are willing to really "see". The illusions are many, but they exist for a reason and can be taken advantage of. If you can stomach opening your mind check out my youtube channel at 3SPM, but if I was a betting person, I'd say that Jesus, before he fully awoke to who he was may have been open to or been actively gay and may have even been sexual, even promiscuous. He had to experience most of the things he would be telling his disciples they needed to eventually discard (overcome). That's what is meant by "he did it for us" and that he was the "way" because he demonstrated the way, even to the degree of "laying down his physical life" as he said he did so voluntarily, "no man takes it from me", which he did again when he returned as he promised, that of course will be debated for the next 1000 years. The name he used upon his return was Do, incarnating into the AppleWhite genetic strain to take the graduate class out of the garden womb for their "spirit birth" as he foretold. I spent 19 years Do's student. I have 19 years of his thinking to share and it's all back-upable with ALL that the Jesus record reveals, without convuluted analysis, just plain common sense.

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Leave it to the
Posted by: osd on Jun 17, 2009 9:11 PM   
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right wing Christians to DEMONIZE just about everything. They should look into the mirror if they wish to see real EVIL.

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Back in the 1500’s an incredibility brilliant
Posted by: bitsfick on Jun 18, 2009 4:33 AM   
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man by the name of William Tyndale, translated the bible from Greek and Latin into English. His translations were later used as the basis for the King James Bible.

Now I know you are asking, “how was this man rewarded for this amazing feat? The answer is simple; he was burned at the stake as a heretic.

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This comes as no surprise...
Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal on Jun 18, 2009 7:19 AM   
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...to anyone that is, or knows a Christian.

Tell me your a Christian, and this is what I know about you:

-you will kill anything in His name that moves or you are told to kill.

-you hate anyone that does not believe the way you do.

-you believe in torture, because your religion essentially invented it.

By far the cruelest aspect of the inquisitional system was the means by which confessions were wrought: the torture chamber.

Torture remained a legal option for the Church from 1252 when it was sanctioned by Pope Innocent IV until 1917 when the new Codex Juris Canonici was put into effect.

Thus, with license granted by the Pope himself, inquisitors were free to explore the depths of horror and cruelty.

The Inquisition invented every conceivable device to inflict pain by slowly dismembering and dislocating the body. Many of these devices were inscribed with the motto 'Glory be only to God.'

Religion is based mainly upon fear..... fear of the mysterious, fear of defeat, fear of death.

Fear is the parent of cruelty, and therefore it is no wonder that cruelty and religion have gone hand in hand.

My own view on religion is that of Lucretius; I regard it as a disease born of fear and as a source of untold misery to the human race.

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here is a book to burn-
Posted by: mcyclemama on Jun 22, 2009 6:56 AM   
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the bible.

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