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Conservatives Still Think You're Over-Insured

Posted by Steve Benen, Washington Monthly at 9:01 AM on November 5, 2009.


The problem, according to conservatives, is that you have insurance. And good policy will take it away from you.

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This comes up from time to time, but it's good to see former House Majority Leader Dick Armey (R-Texas), a new ringleader for right-wing activists, state it plainly.

"The largest empirical problem we have in health care today is too many people are too overinsured," he said.

There it is, the right's philosophy on American health care in 17 words. Most of us think the problem with the existing system is that we pay too much, get too little, and leave too many behind. Dick Armey sees the existing system and thinks we'd all be better off with less coverage. Lest anyone think this is unique to Armey, the opposite is true. A few years ago, during Bush's pitch in support of health saving accounts, the LA Times' Peter Gosselin explained, "Most conservatives -- including those in the [Bush] administration -- believe that the root cause of most problems with the nation's healthcare system is that most Americans are over-insured."

Just two months ago, Reps. John Shadegg (R-Ariz.) and Pete Hoekstra (R-Mich.) had an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal making the same case. "When was the last time you asked your doctor how much it would cost for a necessary test or procedure?" they asked, making the case that consumers need more "control ... over their care."

 

For those with insurance, we visit a physician, and follow his/her recommendations, knowing that insurers and our employers will shoulder most of the costs. If we didn't have that pesky insurance -- if we had more "control" -- we could, you know, haggle and stuff. Think of the savings!

It's all premised on the notion that health insurance encourages medical treatments. If we have coverage, we might get tests and procedures that we wouldn't get if weren't so darned insured. Less coverage means fewer costs.

Josh Marshall recently explained:

The problem is that you go to the doctor and agree to take the tests the doctor recommends. Shadegg and Hoekstra want a system where if your doctor suggests a biopsy for a suspicious lump you think about the pros and cons. Is it worth the money? Do you have the money? How suspicious is the lump anyway? Maybe you get the first one. But not necessarily the follow up scan six months later.

This is the essence of the Republican plan: the fact that you're insured and aren't directly feeling the cost of individual tests and procedures is the problem and getting rid of the insurance concept is the solution.... [T]he problem according to most Republicans in Congress isn't that there's not enough insurance or that it's not good enough. It's that there's too much. The problem is that you have insurance. And good policy will take it away from you.

Dick Armey is only saying explicitly what conservative lawmakers have been arguing for quite a while.

 

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Steve Benen is "blogger in chief" of the popular Washington Monthly online blog, Political Animal. His background includes publishing The Carpetbagger Report, and writing for a variety of publications, including Talking Points Memo, The American Prospect, the Huffington Post, and The Guardian. He has also appeared on NPR's "Talk of the Nation," MSNBC's "Rachel Maddow Show," Air America Radio's "Sam Seder Show," and XM Radio's "POTUS '08."


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My Doctor
Posted by: garyfee on Nov 5, 2009 10:08 AM   
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I don't have insurance, and pay everything out of pocket. I'm sure my doctor enjoys me not paying him for treatment I won't get because I can't afford it. No, wait... Yeah, that makes sense. What?

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Confused Little Armey
Posted by: QQOblivion on Nov 5, 2009 10:09 AM   
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Senator Armey is confused. It isn't the American PEOPLE who are overinsured.
It is the SENATORS and CONGRESSPEOPLE who are overinsured, in that they have a "socialist" government-funded high-end health plan all for their very selves.

Get rid of YOUR health plan first, Armey, before you have ANY right at all to speak about ours!

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» RE: Confused Little Armey Posted by: aussidawg
Richard Nixon on healthcare reform
Posted by: Defenestrator on Nov 5, 2009 10:56 AM   
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In his own words, Richard Nixon on healthcare reform:

"Beyond the question of the prices of health care, our present system of health care insurance suffers from two major flaws :

First, even though more Americans carry health insurance than ever before, the 25 million Americans who remain uninsured often need it the most and are most unlikely to obtain it. They include many who work in seasonal or transient occupations, high-risk cases, and those who are ineligible for Medicaid despite low incomes.

Second, those Americans who do carry health insurance often lack coverage which is balanced, comprehensive and fully protective"


The Republicans don't even know what they are opposing... It's practically Nixon's healthcare reforms all over, but they have nothing to offer but opposition.

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group insurance
Posted by: albany_ed on Nov 5, 2009 10:56 AM   
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How about a group insurance plan for democrats? Large enough group, conservatives don't have to pay in or use the hospitals.

How about Union EMTs and ambulances for democrat and union members. Rich folks prepay or get no ride. But of course rescue people are the best and most decent of people, so they would not deny lifesaving services to people who were not in a position to pay. But what should we call those insurance executives who do tell people to drop dead? Maybe prisoner number ABC666.

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Overinsured: in a sense it's true ...
Posted by: rational_moderate on Nov 5, 2009 11:07 AM   
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... but in another sense it's not really insurance that most Americans have.
Insurance is a system to pay for very rare and expensive surprises. It's not supposed to pay for routine expenses.
The fact that so many common costs go through a bureaucratic layer greatly adds to costs.

If the AVERAGE American can't afford to pay directly for routine medical costs (e.g., prescription drugs), then they surely won't be able to afford them with the added costs of a bureaucracy, whether that bureaucracy be greedy insurance companies or a government run insurance "company".
For people who can't afford to pay for their routine medical costs, either because they're much poorer than average or much sicker than average, they could be given subsidies. However, this won't work (the numbers don't add up) for the AVERAGE health consumer.

So, a lot of money could be saved if everyone had a high deductible (maybe $5000) insurance policy. On average, this should greatly reduce premiums, more than the additional out of pocket expenses. The insurance business would shrink dramatically because far fewer transactions would go through them. And yes, it would give individuals more choice.

Of course, people would have to have a nest-egg for years where out of pocket expenses end up being close to the deductible. This is what HSA's are (health savings accounts). Unfortunately, many Americans don't save any money; they live beyond their means. For some people, that's poor money management and for others it's inadequate income.

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Buhcn if whiners
Posted by: jebpgh on Nov 5, 2009 12:00 PM   
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Lest we all forget, Phil Gramm, Dick's buddy down in Texas and senior economic advisor to John McCain thought the whole economic crisis was overstated and that it was a creation of the media and Americans were a bunch of whiners. Care to roll that one out again GOP?

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not really wrong
Posted by: gilliani on Nov 5, 2009 1:11 PM   
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He isn't necessarily wrong. The ones who have insurance often DO have unlimited, unquestioned access to everything while the rest of us make do with bits and pieces cobbled together, or have nothing at all. The overinsured rich are unwilling to give up anything, making meaningful reform impossible.

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Health Care consultants
Posted by: FoonTheElder on Nov 5, 2009 2:28 PM   
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This is the crap that comes from the 'free enterprise' health care consultants that have a major financial stake in keeping the current system in place. They are largely paid for by large corporations or other health care providers.

Low deductibles and co-pays now only exist in government plans, like in Congress.

The plan from my employer costs me $4,000 a year for two people. The total deductible is $1,000 each and pays 80% until you've paid another $5,000 out of your pocket. Drug coverage is a different copay of anywhere from $10 to $125 per prescription.

This year I will end up paying $11,000 out of my pocket for health care. Which is probably more than my employer pays for the related expenses.

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I'm hoping this is a failure of imagination
Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Nov 6, 2009 12:13 PM   
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Everyone in the circles he moves in is, perhaps, overinsured. Certainly his buddies in Congress have absolutely everything American (or any other they need) technology has to offer. It seems clear that he can't imagine genuine poverty, or even what was once "lower Middle Class" situations. I'm hoping it's that, anyway. I've met people, though, who don't believe that homelessness is real, or people living in cardboard boxes, or starvation; not in America, at least. They've never seen it, and to them, poor areas are criminal areas, and it's the crime that makes those places scary and dangerous. These people are so isolated they really have no idea.

Ian

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