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Rachel Maddow Talks Tough About Lieberman With Sen. Bayh

Posted by Ben Armbruster, Think Progress at 1:33 PM on November 13, 2008.


Sen. Evan Bayh expects Lieberman to apologize for attacks on Obama in order to keep his committee chairmanship.

Riding the wave of electoral victories on Nov. 4, some Senate Democrats began hinting that they might remove Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) from his post as Homeland Security Committee chairman in part because of ad hominem attacks he levied at Barack Obama during the presidential campaign in support of John McCain.

Last week, however, Sen. Evan Bayh (D-IN) sang a more forgiving tune. "[W]e should have a spirit of forgiveness with regard to Joe Lieberman and reconcile and move forward," Bayh said, suggesting that Lieberman apologize and "let bygones be bygones." Last night on MSNBC, Bayh said Lieberman should be stripped of his chairmanship unless he offers a "sincere apology" for his "unacceptable" rhetoric during the campaign:

BAYH:[Y]ou got to, you know, expect an apology -- a sincere apology -- and you got to keep tell him, "Look, we're going to give you a chance here. But if you don`t do the right thing as chairman, if, you know, we see any continuation with this kind of behavior," well then at that point, you know, the game is up at that point.

MADDOW: And -- but the game would be up in the sense that he would get stripped of his leadership positions?

BAYH: The chairmanship. Yes.

Watch it:

Bayh complained that during the campaign, Lieberman had said that Obama "was basically for defeat in Iraq." Lieberman also suggested that Obama could be a Marxist, linked his policy proposals to socialism and said his economic proposal would bring about a depression. He even said he "fears" for the survival of the country if the Democrats won 60 Senate seats on Nov. 4.

At the end of the segment, host Rachel Maddow said, "You're giving me a great prompt to ask Senator Lieberman to come and deliver that apology on this show. So, thank you for that." "Issue the invitation," Bayh said.

Check out ThinkProgress's new report, "Joe Lieberman: The Progressive Who Lost His Way."

Update: Also during the segment, Bayh suggested that if Lieberman is stripped of his committee chairmanship, "he might very well decide to just resign from the Senate."

Update: Jed notes that Bayh said the Democrats need Lieberman's help on "getting out of Iraq."

Digg!

Benjamin J. Armbruster is a Research Associate for The Progress Report and ThinkProgress.org at the Center for American Progress.


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Here's how Joe Lieberman can help us
Posted by: Xynyx on Nov 13, 2008 2:42 PM   
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Joe Lieberman is in the best position to rid us all of Joe Lieberman. I don't have first, second, or even third-hand evidence to support this assertion, but I will state it confidently anyway... Joe Lieberman is the person who probably has the least restricted access to Joe Lieberman. If anyone can convince Joe Lieberman to leave, it would be Joe Lieberman.

That is how Joe Lieberman can help.

Barring that, I hope he chokes on a pretzel.

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A Warmongering Neocon to the Bitter End
Posted by: jimswanson on Nov 13, 2008 3:01 PM   
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James A. Swanson
www.bushleagueofnations.com [For FREE download of entire book]

I’m a progressive who could not warm up to Joe Lieberman even if we both died and were cremated together.

Lieberman proudly retains his neocon credentials in spite of eight years of disastrous foreign policy blunders by the neocon-led Bush regime.

Lieberman turned a blind eye to GOP attacks on the U.S. Constitution and the rule of law.

He supported every Middle East warmongering initiative of the Bush regime, and made things worse for both Israel and the Palestinians, with increased deaths on both sides, and with no peace in sight.

Standing out in stark contrast are the contributions of Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton to peace in the Middle East.

Consider Carter’s sustained efforts leading to the signing of a permanent peace agreement between Israel and Egypt in 1979—a peace agreement that has never been broken by either party. That required Carter’s strength, integrity and moral leadership—in short, diplomacy—something missing from Lieberman’s and the GOP’s toolkit.

Likewise, Clinton had a key role in supporting the peace process that led to the signing of a permanent peace agreement between Israel and Jordan in 1994, which agreement has never been broken.

With friends like Lieberman, Israel needs no enemies.

This and much more is discussed in, “The Bush League of Nations: The Coalition of the Unwilling, the Bullied and the Bribed – the GOP’s War on Iraq and America,” by James A. Swanson (2008, CreateSpace Publishing, 448 pages).

Patriots everywhere can download the entire book for free at www.bushleagueofnations.com.

I ask for nothing in return, except that you perhaps use my book to help restore and build America.

Jim Swanson, Los Altos, CA
www.bushleagueofnations.com

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Kill him with kindness
Posted by: babs on Nov 13, 2008 3:57 PM   
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I think that is what the Dems are planning. Let him stay, but keep a very close eye on him and let him undermine himself - as the first post stated.

Then he can't whine (in his awful whiny voice) that he was railroaded or forced out.

He can go down in history with Benedict Arnold.

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Get rid of the
Posted by: cwilsondrum on Nov 13, 2008 5:08 PM   
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stupid fuck

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Ne needs to apologize?
Posted by: goeswithness on Nov 14, 2008 3:10 AM   
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Not good enough. Basically, this is like forcing a kid to apologize for something he's not sorry at all he did. Say the magic words and it goes away. Well no, it doesn't. It just adds on another layer of dishonesty to the whole system. I understand what Bayh is saying, but "I'm sorry" is not going to fix it because it means nothing.

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» RE: Ne needs to apologize? Posted by: luzmejor
Bayh & LIEberman are DLC'ers- Neo Cons in Blue
Posted by: Purple Girl on Nov 14, 2008 4:29 AM   
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If you want to see the true face of the DLC's 'Third Way' look to LIEberman.
The DLC is th eBlue arm of the Corporationists- their 'fearless leaders' are the Clintons.
Ever notice how much Hillary sounded like a Republican....Exactly like McCain.
Frankly If Hillary would have won the nomination- I would have stayed Home on election day....Same shit different colors.
What accusations or allegations did Joe Or Mac or even Sarah make that Hillary had not already made through the Primaries.
Hell Hillary ENDORSED McCain OVER Obama.
Frankly the focus on the transgressions of LIEberman regarding Sen Obama are far less agregious than those committed by Hillary- suposedly a 'Democrat'. Hillary was playing out of th eNeo con 'Handbook' and LIEberman just followed HER lead- Just like Mac's campaign. Could she set Mac's campaign up better with illegitmate attacks?
Granted at this point we can't push all the DLC'ers Out of the Dem party, Bu twe can certainly start weeding them out through Attrition- If they say they are a 'Reagan Democrat' you'll Know they work for the Corporations and THEIR best interest.
I'm outraged that there is talk of making Hillary Sec of State...The same woman who parroted Mac's 'Bomb bomb bomb Iran' with "Obliterate Iran", are you fucking kidding me???The same woman who voted with this corrupt admin every step of the way down this damn rabbit hole? The same woman who FAILED to provide Oversight in How, Where and WHY are Armed Services Are Used. The one who failed to assure enough troops and equipemnt were sent with them on this OIl venture into Iraq? The same woman who ONLY whispered a request for an Exit Plan Once? The woman who had no idea the crap conditions these service people were returning to at Walter Reed?
The woman who only qualifications to be Pres Over Sen Obama was 2 extra years in the Senate APPEASING Cheney? Who thinks being Married to someone automatically qualifies YOU for their Job- I'm married to a carpenter, You Do NOT want me Building ANYTHING for you!
If you want to know who aided and comforted the Neo cons Look to the Clintons and the DLC, they too are blood soaked- In the Illegal Wars War & the Well foreseen and Planned Economic Meltdown.Fuck the DLC & the Clintons, nothing more than Corp Whores disguised in Blue!

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Lieberman cannot chair
Posted by: janelynne on Nov 14, 2008 5:37 AM   
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According to Bayh, Lieberman will become bitter if he cannot be the chairman and may leave and could be replaced by a Republican. This is more blackmail from Joe. In a position of authority, Joe will undermine the President, will leak, and will work against the best interests of the core principles of the party. Joe has to give up the Chair and the Democrats have to cut their losses. Blackmail is not the way to go.

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As Children We Are Taught
Posted by: bloggeddowninMKE on Nov 14, 2008 5:40 AM   
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There are consequences for your actions. It is only as adults we find out that is true, unless you are rich or a politician.

This sends a message to all future candidates for office (any office really). You can lie as much as you want to about your opponent, or slander a member of your own party to help the opposing party (how twisted is that) and when the campaign is over - no consequences.

Zero.

Not a good message to send.

Period.

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The Rich and the Powerful almost always get a free pass
Posted by: smadaj on Nov 14, 2008 8:03 AM   
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Asking Lieberman to apologize is insane. It's just more of this crazy-making crap - an illogical disconnect that too many people seem to see as a valid action. I really wonder, sometimes, if our water has been infected with some strange ingredient that allows people to view insane behavior and insane responses to that behavior as acceptable. It's like America accepting Palin as a viable VP. It's so insane it makes the ones who are still thinking sputter with confusion - How Can People Be SO Stupid? Or Confused? Or What On Earth Is Happening Here? Asking Lieberman to apologize falls into the growing collection of insane disconnects. And amounts to yet another free pass to another corrupt individual. Take away Lieberman's power. Take him off of all committees, and run him out of office. If he wants to stay in the game, he can start with the truth and run as the right-of-right neocon Republican that he really is.

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I can't forgive Lieberman
Posted by: Outspokengrandmother on Nov 14, 2008 11:14 AM   
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Bayh was a big war supporter too....that doesn't make him right. I guess I'm not a politician....I actually believe that there is right and wrong and that Lieberman is wrong, has been wrong and will continue to be wrong into the future. I am willing, however, to hold a sword over his head so that he votes EXACTLY along the Democratic Party Line every time. That would be really painful for him, so I like it.

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lawton
Posted by: lawton on Nov 15, 2008 3:28 AM   
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All this talk about Lieberman! What about the crimes of the Bush administration? Are the democrats going to demand justice for the American people or allow future presidents to garner and use the powers Bush has stolen without fear of recrimination?
Not bringing the Bush criminals to justice will set a horrendous precedent.

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