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An Atheist's Review of the Book of Genesis Illustrated by a Legendary Comics Artist

By Greta Christina, Greta Christina's Blog. Posted October 24, 2009.


This isn't Beatrix Potter here. It's more like "Dangerous Liaisons" by way of Quentin Tarantino. With tents, sand, and sheep.
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It's true what they say. Sometimes, a picture really is worth a thousand words.

Especially when those pictures are drawn by Robert Crumb.

And especially when those words come from the Bible.

For those who haven't heard yet: Legendary comics artist Robert Crumb has just come out with his new book: The Book of Genesis, Illustrated by R. Crumb, a magnum opus, five years in the making, telling the complete, unedited book of Genesis in graphic novel form. And I'm finding it fascinating. It's masterfully illustrated, of course, Crumb being among the very best creators in this burgeoning literary form. And it's getting Genesis across to me, deep into my brain and my imagination, in a way that it had never quite gotten there before. 

Of course I've read Genesis. More than once. It's been a little while since I've read the whole thing all the way through, but it's not like it's unfamiliar. But there's something about seeing the story fleshed out in images to make some of its more striking narrative turns leap out and grab your brain by the root. There's nothing quite like seeing the two different creation stories enacted on the page to make you go, "Hey! That's right! Two completely different creation stories!" There's nothing quite like seeing Lot offer his daughters to be gang-raped to make you recoil in shock and moral horror. There's nothing quite like seeing the crazed dread and burning determination in Abraham's eyes as he prepares the sacrifice of his own son to make you feel the enormity of this act. Reading these stories in words conveys the ideas; seeing them in images conveys the visceral impact. It makes it all seem vividly, immediately, humanly real.

Now, that is something of a mixed blessing. Spending a few days with the characters in Genesis isn't the most relaxing literary vacation you'll ever take. Richard Dawkins wasn't kidding when he said, "The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction." The God character in Genesis is cruel, violent, callous, insecure, power-hungry, paranoid, hot-tempered, morally fickle... I could go on and on. And God's followers aren't much better. They lie, they scheme, they cheat one another, they conquer other villages with bloodthirsty imperialist glee, they kill at the drop of a hat. This isn't Beatrix Potter here. It's more like Dangerous Liaisons by way of Quentin Tarantino. With tents, sand, and sheep.

Yet at the same time, there's an unexpected side effect to reading this story in images as well as words. And that's that the story becomes more... well, more of a story. Reading it in comics form made it easier for me to set aside, just for a moment, the relentless hammering on the text that I typically engage in when I read the Bible: the theological debates, the treasure hunt for inaccuracies and inconsistencies, the incessant "How did this pissy, jealous, temperamental warrior god get shoehorned into the All-Knowing All-Powerful All-Good ideal again?" bafflement. It made it easier to set all that aside... and just read it as a story. A story about some very human, very fallible characters: strong and interesting, but not moral paragons by any stretch of the imagination... and not really intended to be.

Including the God character. Who, in many ways, is the most human and the most fallible of them all.

A big part of that comes from Crumb's art style. His drawing is not photorealistic, but his portraits -- fleshy, emotional, idiosyncratic, expressive -- emphasize, above all else, the humanity of his characters. The deeply familiar characters in this story -- Abraham, Noah, Joseph, Adam and Eve -- seem less like iconic figures from a fairy tale, and more like human beings: just some Bronze Age sheepherders, squabbling and screwing and struggling for survival.


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Really?
Posted by: 0d1um on Oct 24, 2009 2:33 AM   
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And I'm meant to give a damn about what some faux-hippy racist pervert has to say about the demented ravings of an overheated desert tribe? I'll pass. I may be interested in Art Spiegelman's take, though. He's clearly not afraid of a little introspection to go along with stories about anthropoid history (or myth, in this case).

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» RE: God is obviously a drunk Posted by: Sister_Lauren
I hope he sells a zillion
Posted by: pete ess on Oct 24, 2009 3:35 AM   
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The more "x-chins, muzlims and jooz" that read this the better. None of them actually read their "Holy Books" you know! They "just believe". Very wisely, their leaders tell them "Just have faith! Just believe". Liars.

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» RE: I hope he sells a zillion Posted by: thisizrob
» freudian? Posted by: aislinnluv
» And who the hell are you? Posted by: cdmsr
» RE: I hope he sells a zillion Posted by: Eric.Arthur.Blair
» How sad. Posted by: thisizrob
» RE: How sad for you. Posted by: masthead
» RE: How sad. Posted by: Hirnlego
» RE: I hope he sells a zillion Posted by: Eric.Arthur.Blair
i hope Crumb's next project
Posted by: aislinnluv on Oct 24, 2009 4:04 AM   
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will be the Mormon bible. i'd sure love to see his take on that bunch of nonsense! (and in reference to an earlier post, i'm betting few of the lds adherents have actually read that bunkum; if they had, could they really remain members?)

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» RE: i hope Crumb's next project Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN
» South Park... Posted by: morticia
Interesting Biblical depiction
Posted by: thisizrob on Oct 24, 2009 4:34 AM   
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When I make some statements about the basics of my beliefs and then later make some further statements, i find that most of what I say is totally misconstrued, even by my friends and that is because I have no restated the original foundational again.

I would very much like to get hold of this book and read it before I made too much as far as comment is concerned simply because I may fall into the same trap as others do on things that I say and that would NOT be fair to this author.

A comment that I feel I must say is that just from what I have read here, there is one quite glaringly missing statement. Once sin entered the world by the deception of Adam and Eve by satan, everything changed. Throughout the Old Testament, God accepts the blame for sin, even though sin has NO part in His nature. In reality, there is NO reason for sin only excuses. In the reading of the Bible, people forget that there is a degradation of the nature of man from perfection to total imperfection and the way men treat their fellow men is downright satanic in many aspects. This is not saying that men never do good things for others because even Atheists can be very philanthropic and need to be praised for this.

What I am saying is that the way we tend to read the Bible is to judge God by how we treat others. Secretly we all think others are idiots whether we are prepared to admit that or not. Without getting ALL the information and examples throughout the Bible of how God has done everything he can to benefit man, we will tend to only look at things from OUR shortsighted perspective.

To prove this point is quite easy, just look at how so called christians, who are quite prepared to say that certain information in the Bible is not really relevant today, treat others. I see both in Alternet and C2NN how much folks have seen this double standard by christians.

The one thing that is basically forgotten is that there is NO way we should tamper with the original 10 Commandments. Once we do that, we leave the options open for mass murder, mass stealing, mass adultery, something that many folks have commented on and quite rightly except they are only looking at people and NOT what the Bible (in its non perverted original translation) really has to say.

I have been challenged about the 400 plus contradictions in the Bible. The only place I find these contradictions is in the socalled "New Translations". If folks are looking at taking the Michey out of the Bible and they are using these new translations, then I can understand why there is so much Gobbeldy Gook and why folks are turning away from it. I will stay with the True Translation where this rubbish does not occur unless folks forget that sin plays a terrible part of how people treat people.

God sent His Son into the world to show men and women HOW to live. He was crucified by the very people who should have been listening to Him The Church Leaders. The important thing to understand is that God knew how men would treat His Son, but He gave them the option. Prophecies (about 300 +) were all fulfilled in the life of Christ and many of them that could never be fabricated to make it look like they were true. His enemies performed exactly as God had foreseen.

You believe what you want and I will believe what I have studied and found to be very true both prophetically and historically..

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» Ignorance alert! Posted by: teddy
» You talk a lot Posted by: thedevil666
» Do your research first... Posted by: snailkite
» 10 commandments= bullshit Posted by: walldodger1969
It seems to me...
Posted by: teddy on Oct 24, 2009 8:49 AM   
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...that the people who criticize the bible and reject it know as little about what's in it as the people who cherry-pick quotes and claim to believe.

Read the damn thing (the King James Version, for starters) for yourself, get some authoritative literature on how to interpret it. It's a lot harder than it looks.

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» RE: It seems to me... Posted by: wwittman
Perspective
Posted by: Fojie on Oct 24, 2009 9:55 AM   
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Atheists account for about 10% of Americans, GLBTQ people about the same.

So it is important to consider that while homophobes in the U.S. hate and vilify 1 in 10 people, and are appropriately criticized for doing so . . .


atheists in the U.S. hate and vilify 9 out of 10 people.

Both kinds of bigot, homophobe and atheist, consistently employ distortion, cherry-pick data, proclaim outrageous lies to be fact, and dehumanize their targets with attacks on people's sanity, character and place in society.

Routinely, people articulating either homophobia or atheism express their desire for a world free of what they hate - free of homosexuals, or free of people of faith. Homophobes routinely express their demand that homosexuals change to suit the demands and beliefs of homophobes, by force if necessary. Atheists routinely express their demand for people of faith to change, to abandon an integral part of their life, to suit the demands and beliefs of atheist, by force if necessary.

Atheism is at its heart an extremist position that is comprised solely of denying other people's humanity, experience and identity. It is not based on evidence but on denial of other people's experiences and testimony.

The glorification of atheism on progressive sites like Alternet, alongside criticisms of conservative extremism, lies, denials and dehumanizing tactics, creates the appearance of hypocrisy and a lack of principle.

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» RE: Perspective Posted by: abstractedaway
» RE: Perspective Posted by: Fojie
» RE: Perspective Posted by: leafsong1
» RE: Perspective Posted by: Fojie
» 2 questions for you Posted by: factbased
» RE: 2 questions for you Posted by: Fojie
» RE: 2 questions for you Posted by: leafsong1
» RE: Perspective Posted by: gearloose
» RE: Perspective Posted by: Fojie
» RE: Perspective Posted by: cmaciain
» RE: Perspective Posted by: Fojie
» RE: Evidence Posted by: Fojie
» Goddamned liar Posted by: leafsong1
» RE: Goddamned liar Posted by: jaded
» Fojie Posted by: factbased
» RE: Fojie Posted by: jaded
» RE: Perspective Posted by: Doubtom43
» RE: Perspective Posted by: Fojie
» RE: Perspective Posted by: leafsong1
» About snarkiness Posted by: Fojie
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» RE: Perspective Posted by: jaded
» Maybe you will Posted by: factbased
» RE: Maybe you will Posted by: jaded
» RE: Perspective Posted by: leafsong1
» RE: Perspective Posted by: leafsong1
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» the only people I hate Posted by: Nuanced
» RE: I HATE EVERYBODY! Posted by: soowee
The bible is just plagarized hogwash. A book designed to
Posted by: paulmagillsmith on Oct 24, 2009 12:41 PM   
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control & enslave people. I dare those of 'faith' to see the evidence presented in Part 1 of Zeitgeist: The Movie

You are very foolish indeed, if after seeing it you still believe the Bible as true:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNf-P_5u_Hw

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$25!!! No way!!!
Posted by: jwc1480 on Oct 24, 2009 12:57 PM   
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Everything is cheaper @ Amazon. In this case, by ten bucks.

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» RE: $25!!! No way!!! Posted by: Fojie
Educational comment thread!
Posted by: seazen on Oct 26, 2009 6:56 AM   
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Reading through this whole discussion is worth the time for anyone curious about the phenomenon of "faith" and attempts to provide a rational explanation of that particular characteristic of human behavior.

It appears that at some point, a person can and will, decide that they have discovered a permanent, irrefutable "truth" and simply cannot, or will not, think that they could be possibly be mistaken. It could be, and has been, that "Negroes" are inferior to Caucasians; or that women are lesser beings than males; or that Obama is a Socialist. When this "truth" somehow relieves you of personal responsibility for wading through the complexities and contradictions of life and death it creates a serious "high". When you add the bonus of "superiority" to those who do not share your faith, it is addictive. When it enables the slaughter of "heathens" it generates mass delusion.

So how then to speak with a "true believer" who have no need for a serious dialogue since:

1) They know the "truth" - period.
2) They are a member of a superior segment of society and you are not
3) They are willing to "save" you - or kill you - since you must be evil for not accepting the truth.

Unfortunately, Genesis reveals more about humanity than we would like to acknowledge. A simple, open-minded look at what we are doing to each other all over the world reveals that we still pretty barbaric while at the same time we can be caring, just, and noble. Humans are a complex species with a lot of growing still to do to begin to meet our higher hopes and expectations. You would think one of the multiple "gods" we have created over the millenia would have been able to sort this all out by now. Otherwise, they are really just playing a sick game with us.

That seems, to me anyway, to be the "truth."

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humanity is the point
Posted by: johnwilkins1672 on Oct 26, 2009 7:41 AM   
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The author assumes that religious people - or members of church institutions - HAVE to read sacred scripture as "fact based" truth rather than as a story about humanity was trying to figure out the very real everyday violence they encountered.

Instead of mythologizing it, they historicized it, which was the first step in taming religion.

It's one thing to read scripture as a set of rules.
It's another to read it as a story about God.
It's another to read it as a story about people.
It's another to read it as an entry into the subconscious.
These are all valid ways of understanding these writings.
The question is does scripture help us understand humanity. If it does, then perhaps it is sacred.
God, whether she exists or not, can take care of herself outside of these writings.

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false - a useful concept
Posted by: counterpoint on Oct 26, 2009 10:23 AM   
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What is so hard to grasp?
Many claims can be demonstrated to be false. As in: The predicted outcome does not happen.
We accept such reasoning in everyday life all the time and prosper when we do.
But once someone tags a claim as "sacred truth" it is suddenly immune?

Human history abounds with roughly 4500 deities that people have believed in, feared, revered or denied.
They and their theological claims can't all have been real at the same time. But it is entirely possible - and extremely likely - that they were all false.

Question:
Does a sacrificial lamb produce any results other than a dead lamb?

Question:
Do we have the original manuscripts of the compilations known incorrectly as THE bible?

If a space alien offered a carbon neutral energy production device to the one believer who could prove that his religion was true, as opposed to all the other contenders, humanity would have to leave it to its own scientists to come up with such a device.
Luckily, unlike their religious fellows, scientists have a track record of developing real knowledge and practical expertise, rather than just sayso.

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God is the hand puppet
Posted by: progressiveview on Oct 26, 2009 3:45 PM   
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for those who claim to speak for God. You know that those who speak the loudest and know the "right" God, are the most intolerent, and most often have a very large dark side. Think of all the Fundamentalist scandals with prostitutes and boys.

All Abrahamic religions are say God created man and woman, but all the evidence clearly shows that the gods were created in the image of man. Like all superstitions religion grew out of ignorance.

Could not explain thunder and lightning, Thor was born in Viking mythology.

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Some Questions for thisizrob
Posted by: Overburdened Planet on Oct 27, 2009 4:11 PM   
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“I will stay with the True Translation where this rubbish does not occur unless folks forget that sin plays a terrible part of how people treat people.”
Unless I missed it, which translation is the “True Translation” you are referring to?

“God sent His Son into the world to show men and women HOW to live.”
You agree with the biblical interpretation that women have fewer rights than men?

“You believe what you want and I will believe what I have studied and found to be very true both prophetically and historically..”
Matthew 24:1-34 “Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.”

Are you agreeing Jesus is a False Prophet, since he predicts that the end of the world will come within the lifetimes of his disciples?

Deuteronomy 13:1-5 gives us the first test of a true prophet of God: even if what he says comes to pass, if he encourages us to worship a false God, or to worship God falsely, he is not to be believed. He is a false prophet.

Deuteronomy 18:20-22 gives us the second test of a true prophet. (This immediately follows Moses’ declaration of a coming “prophet” who would be greater than him – 15-18 – we know him as Jesus Christ cf. Acts 3:22; 7:37.) In this test we are told that if what the prophet says is going to come to pass does not, then he is a false prophet.

In the Old Testament, to have even one prophecy not come to pass disqualified one from being a true prophet of God. If it were the case that a substantial part of a prophet’s message was concerned with the far or final future (events hundreds, even thousands of years after the lifetime of the prophet), how could the trustworthiness of a prophet be established? For this test to have any reliability, it must have been the case that an overwhelming portion of the prophet’s messages had to have been about times his hearers could test – the past, present, and near future.


“The one thing that is basically forgotten is that there is NO way we should tamper with the original 10 Commandments.”
Then you agree with slavery, racism, rape, war, and torture because they are NOT in the original 10 Commandments?

Extra Credit Questions:

• Did God create extraterrestrial (E.T.) life on other planets?
• Did E.T.s and UFOs visit people in the Bible or were they all manifestations of God?
• Can E.T.s have souls? If not, why not?
• Can E.T.s lack Original Sin? If not, why not?
• If E.T.s have souls and Original Sin, did Jesus die for their sins? If not, why not?

During the past 1500 or so years, how could primitives, isolated from believers, ever have known about Jesus? Are they exempt from Original Sin because they didn’t know any better? Someone once told me that Jesus would be known to them through nature. Can anyone explain that answer?

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Some Questions for Fojie
Posted by: Overburdened Planet on Oct 27, 2009 4:17 PM   
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As a believer, if you’re right about your faith, can you explain what makes your particular beliefs right, therefore other people’s beliefs (or lack of belief) wrong?

If the majority of the world’s population doesn't believe in Christianity, does that make Christians wrong or, what makes one religion right and all other religions wrong?

More specifically, how can all religions be right? Please show your proof.

Why are non-believers seen as being overly judgmental of religion when historically religion has been vastly more judgmental, exclusionary, racist, sexist, and violent than non-believers in America?

Why are there more believers in federal prisons than non-believers? Even adjusting for per capita rates, it would appear believers have fewer morals than non-believers.

In light of these stats, why do believers continue to tell non-believers they can't have morals without faith?

And which faith counts; all faiths or only your particular faith, and if there are a dozen or more (major) religions worldwide, which group's faith are we describing because if there are at least ten to twenty religions (yes there are many more but let’s go with this link) and in Christianity, "...6 major ecclesiastico-cultural blocs, divided into 300 major ecclesiastical traditions…” (I counted at least 229 Christian denominations on this site) then please tell us why one religion or denomination or sect is right and another is wrong.

When you (or thisizrob) can answer basic questions like this, answers that are supposed to convince everyone else of the superiority of your thinking, then you might make your argument; until then, it's unclear you have a case, or can even make one.

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RE: BIBLE? WHAT BIBLE? THE BEST SELLING FICTION NOVEL?
Posted by: Blacktiger on Oct 30, 2009 9:54 PM   
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YANIRA06_66, You are a person after my own heart. Read my comment below entitled Hahahahahilarious

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Read it first!
Posted by: soowee on Oct 28, 2009 8:23 AM   
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Too many folks have uninformed opinions about the R. Crumb illustrated version of the "King James" translation of the Book of Genesis. I just bought it last night (Tues.) after listening to an hour-long "interview" with Mr. Crumb in Richmond, Virginia, so I have not looked at it yet, much less (re-)read it. I must, therefore, withhold judgment on the work, but I was fascinated by his creative process.

He is variously accused of being racist, misogynist, etc. by folks who utterly lack a sense of humor, regardless of where they may think their belief structure falls on the basically discredited liberal-vs.- conservative continuum. After all, his works are really just COMIC BOOKS! GET OVER IT!

I think his iconoclasm is refreshing. There should be no sacred cows anywhere. All are inherently suspect because they are the "genesis" of censorship. No subject should ever be off-limits from clever humor.

R. Crumb is obviously embarrassed to be labeled a "genius," as he was last night, but I shall just hope he keeps on truckin'!

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We Have The Bible All Wrong
Posted by: AlteredStates on Oct 30, 2009 8:53 AM   
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The Bible is really a black comedy directed by a God that laughs at us. So much for the "warm and fuzzy" God.

Others think that life is just a cruel joke. Either way, it is best to avoid all such arguments over Scripture. All it produces is fear, anger, and contempt for your follow man.

I have a better view of life. Get high and forget about it. It isn't real anyway.

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Hahahahahahilarious!!!!!!
Posted by: Blacktiger on Oct 30, 2009 9:22 PM   
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So far the comments here sound like the rants of the Muslims when that author[Saliman Rushti]???spelling wrong??? did the job on Mohammad and the Koran. I am going to buy this book and have a good old rainy afternoon read!!!!
And for all those hypocritical Christians who are ranting why don't you go read the REAL TRUTH, as written in the missives of Earth Chronicles by Zeckaria Sitchin who has studies the ancient writings some of which he managed to get to before the almighty USA raped the museum in Bagdad. That was done so that the TRUTH was destroyed.
Those who live by the bible alone are destined to be just what the Army Generals want, to raise little boys who play with guns and grow up to be soldiers.
Rahttatata BOOM BANG!!!!

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Aliterate
Posted by: alkamm on Oct 31, 2009 3:52 PM   
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I've noticed that atheists are as self-congratulatory as fundamentalists. Both groups miss the point of sacred works. Sacred works are teaching tales, and not meant to be literal truth. Just as poetry seeks images as artifacts of transcendent experience, sacred works gives us images of people who illustrate how the human mind works, and how our ethics and morality can be deeply flawed but still have the capacity to deepen.

Crumb's book gives us something like poetic truth. He fleshes out the images for those of who have eyes to see. We don't need sacred works, of course, any more than we need poetry, but both forms of literature work to improve those who have the capacity to improve. Atheists often fall into the category of those who think they have a monopoly on truth and have no idea how backward their vision is.

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Lot
Posted by: chubs on Oct 31, 2009 6:13 PM   
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Of course Lot in the bible isn't really supposed to be a moral compass.

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» you say not Lot, I say WHY NOT?!? Posted by: Sekhmetnakt
I think
Posted by: chubs on Oct 31, 2009 6:23 PM   
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that most of the bad things people credit as being religions fault are simply human nature and even without religion bigots, homophobes, and other hate mongers would still exist.

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