Behind Sarah Palin's Wacky Pentecostal Faith

Wasn't John Ashcroft a member of the Pentacostal church? He covered "Lady Justice" and sang a religious song before the American people. His father was a Pentacostal minister.

Ashcroft lied about who the terrorist were on 911 (some found alive by the FBI who said it wasn't them).

He cost us in Democratic cites big bucks paying for "false terrorists alerts" (admitted as so by Tom Ridge).

Tom Ridge himself lied about the terrorism and told us to duct tape our windows, etc. against bioterrorism. It never occurred but Home Depot made a lot of money. Tom when he left his office was given a directorship on the board of Home Depot.

How many citizens died an early death or had a heart attack with this type of stress? Heartbreak over the actions of their government?

This was worse than yelling fire in a crowded room. They weren't held accountable but like most in the government left office with their bag of pillage. They will be back somewhere in our government since these "sucker oners" never find such cushy jobs and money.

Obama says we should move on and not dwell on the past "mistakes". It wasn't just a lack of judgement but criminal in every respect.

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Mind you, I am an atheist, but even some atheists were at one time believers, and some of us know more about religion than the average Booble-toting church goer. What I know is this: Jebus if buried would be rolling in his grave at what Osteen, Jakes, &c. are doing in his name. Not only were his earliest followers communistic (in the sense that they communed: eschewed private ownership and thought that the very idea of personal property was anathema), they believed in the letter of their prophet's pronouncement that "a rich man shall no sooner enter the Kingdom [of heaven] than a camel shall pass through the eye of a needle." Why does Osteen live in a multi-million-dollar house while people are starving even here in America? Turds like Osteen should follow the path taken by Tolstoy, who once went out into the streets of Moscow and cast his money among the poor. Shame, shame, shame! The prosperity gospel is about as Christian as Osama bin Laden.

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It is appalling to me that, well into the 21st Century, "religiosity", as described in this article, has not diminished or totally disappeared but, instead, is growing exponentially, like cancer-cells in a diseased body. I really wonder if this is an example of mass hysteria or insanity!

This is extremely disturbing, not to mention frightening…with an emphasis on the word "extreme".

Unfortunately, for too many years, the more rational and sane-minded have regarded these zealots to be little more than harmless fanatics who could be ignored. Meanwhile these zombies have been quietly infecting our society, gathering the brain-dead to be their "armies of the faithful" and raising vast sums of money, via their televangelists. "Religion" has become a very profitable business, indeed, thanks to all the "love donations" that come pouring in from people who, frequently, can ill afford them.

Our government has always been in bed with these hypocrites. For example: how many times did Billy Graham "advise" presidents? Now that the old bastard is gone, his son has moved right in to take over the family business…and business is GREAT! And: why have "religious" institutions always received a free-pass through their tax-exempt statuses?

I think that some people are FINALLY starting to realize that these "religious" fascists are no laughing matter and are, in fact, VERY dangerous and determined to bring the U.S. totally under their control.

We can NEVER let this happen!

It is time to react to this destructive trend and to stamp it out before…like the mythical hydra…it grows too many poisonous heads to be controlled.

Expose these parasites whenever possible. Mock and ridicule them aggressively wherever they appear. Challenge them whenever you confront them. Quit allowing them to corrupt our society with their infantile myths and hollow promises. Drive these fools back underground where they belong.

Better yet: drive these superstitious fossils to the extinction they richly deserve!

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It's always amusing when religious types bicker over the proper ways to deal with their sky daddy. There are endless references to supposedly holy texts -- all of which have been doctored and manipulated by various popes and other politicians for 1,500 years -- and which experts say were mistranslated in the first place.

But never mind all that. Actually I kind of admire the evangelical charlatans who suck money from the pockets of the gullible and ignorant like human Hoovers. You have to admire world-class larceny when you see it. That's what makes religion the marvelous institution it has become.

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When somebody pursues a course of action that puts huge gobs of money in their pockets, but they say they are doing it for some other reason, they are lying. So much confusion can be avoided by following this simple rule.

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Funny how the religious are so determined to yap on about the untruths to life's tragedies. A tragedy on it's own in fact. Desperate to keep a discussion going about a load of cod's wallop that some fools think makes a good psychological point of manipulation. How tragically pathetic they are & how sorry I feel for their need to be needed & how much they want the money.

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Politicians have big egos, it goes with the territory. Palin was different. She was trying to serve her personal agenda. So she couldn't even lie right. Her motives were always driven by religion. She got to perform at the expense of our political system. Dragged it down several more notches. The woman is nothing but a collecton of hang-ups and and a lifetime of religious indoctrination. It didn't work this time. But these people are bound and determined to run things their way. I'll bet that if we were to examine the strongest objectors to health insurance reform we would find that they are religious zealots. They spent an estimated $40 billion dollars last week to oppose all health care reform. Once they keep people poor and sick the rest is easy. Their tactics are cruel and inhumane. But they are protected by the Constitution because what they do has a basis in religion. It sure is a great country. ANNA

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Sarah Palin loves to perform and TV and other camreras love her.
She didn't do very well in politics so she is changing to religion and propably becoming a fierce preacher whose main song is going to be abortion and abstinence and her reward will be a lot of money.
So much of her is just messed up talk, I doubt her true devotion to religion.
Too much talk but no action.

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Sarah Palin's religious identity and beliefs should be completely irrelevant in the secular, political arena. It's possible to discuss politics without bringing religion into it. Secular arguments are religiously neutral, and thus applicable to everyone--including atheists and agnostics.

In her essay "Life and Peace," for example, Juli Loesch describes her attendance at a Holly Near concert to benefit a local antinuclear group. She encounters literature tables for Native American folkwa vs, Save the Whales, Ban the Bomb. Peace. Humanity. Abortion.

"ABORTION?" she writes. "It was as if I’d been handed a flowered note that contained a death threat. My hands went cold. I went back to my seat, my heart clogged. The irony was that I’d come to oppose abortion as a direct result of my own antinuclear activism."

Loesch writes that when she spoke out against abortion at an antinuclear gathering, she:

"...tried to present a meticulous secular case against abortion. I marshalled all the scientific evidence...I followed it up with the most basic principle found in every human ethical system...do not do to others what you would not like done to you.

"This was rewarded by a brief silence, which was broken by a single question:

‘Are you a Catholic?’

‘Am I a Catholic? That has nothing to do with...’

‘So you ARE a Catholic?’

‘Yes, but...’

‘Well, then. You’re imposing your religious beliefs...’

"And, therefore, I suppose, I lose."

I made a similar point in an interview with Abolitionist-Online in Australia. To argue (as some Christians do) that animal rights and vegetarianism are solely "Jewish" concerns is kind of like saying, "It's only wrong to own a slave if you're a Quaker." No. Suffering and injustice concern us all. Moral absolutes apply to everyone--including atheists and agnostics.

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) is 1.6 million strong (larger than any pro-life group), but try and discuss animal rights and vegetarianism with Christians apart from religion (since we're not trying to "convert" them to another religion--we just want them to stop being cruel to animals) and all they can think of is the MOVE !

I encounter "Christians," who, rather than answer the simple question: "Is it ethical to do to other animals what we would never do to other human beings?", focus on things like my religious identity, whether we worship in "churches" or "temples," whether or not we have to "work" for our salvation, whether we refer to sinners as "dogs" or use half a dozen different animal words, etc. These have nothing to do with the issue at hand!

Absolute truths apply to everyone; only a bigot would see them as sectarian. Hitler, for example, made the mistake of thinking Albert Einstein's scientific discoveries were merely "Jewish science" and therefore not applicable to gentiles. (In this case, perhaps it's fortunate that Hitler had such a bigoted mentality, or the Nazis might have gotten the bomb before us!)

Some Christians understand this. When I pointed out to Catholic pro-lifer Jim Frey of Berkeley Pro-Life that animal rights and vegetarianism apply to everyone, including atheists and agnostics, he said, "Just like with abortion."

Usually, it's the right which obsesses over one's religious identity--not the Left. Again, Sarah Palin's religious identity and beliefs should be completely irrelevant in the secular, political arena. It's possible to discuss politics without bringing religion into it. Let's just focus on the issues at hand.

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The so called prosperity gospel is completely opposite of how Jesus lived and what He taught. His message and practice of loving enemies, clothing the naked, visiting the imprisoned and feeding the hungry is how Christians are to live.

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"Mammon" is money. Jesus said, "You can't serve both God and money".

The Jesus wealth movement is first built around preachers who like lots of wealth, and second around politicians who could care less for "Thou shalt not steal". Best guess, Governor Palin left her Governor's job early as a way of deflecting state prosecution for embezzling $100,000 of state funds to fly her kids all over the place for free. Or was it about illegally exacting personal revenge against a state trooper? Or was it something else in the closet?

Finally the churches have millions of converts. These are pretty honest souls. They want to get ahead, like everyone. If they have a fault it's gullibility for a pious grifter. In fact, the Bernie Madoffs of the world regularly work these people over -- easiest millions that they ever made.

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...and the next minute mean and evil."

Yes, I certainly have met some of these.

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Yes, l worked for one of those. She was as evil as a witch during the week,---then transformed into Mother Teresa on Sundays, sometimes l would stand open-mouthed at her blatant hypocrisy as she refused her employees time off for family illness,funerals even one worker who had a hospital appointment for a biopsy.

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Jesus, the center of any 'Christian' church or faith, was harshest not on the sinners or the struggling follower: he was harshest on the overtly pious who were very big on looking 'correct' even as their hearts were anywhere but seeking god and the things of god.

He called them Whitewashed Tobstones- otherwise posers- people spiritually dead who pretend to be pious. They seek the wealth, position of power and influence, but do not believe.

These are the worst kind of hypocrites.

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In college I learned a valuable lesson about memes, especially the ones that go viral.

Some well-known viral memes of the past were Stalinism, the Pol Pot regime, the Nazis, etc. They were mostly political forms of viral memes that eventually killed their hosts.

In addition, we have viral religious memes. Let's see: the Inquisition, the Crusades, Catholicism, Scientology, and the umpteen splinter Protestant memes. You can see how the viral meme killed its hosts in Guyana (Jim Jones) and Applewhite's UFO cult group.

It's quite unfortunate that the US has a foundational legacy of tolerance for cults, religious zealots and viral religious memes of other sorts. Unfortunate, in that they're given credence and allowed to flourish.

Given that the vast majority of the US's population is on meds or alcoholic, is concerned with their home budget (due to CEOs destroying the economy), are trying to raise kids, have less than a college education, and already have been immersed in a religion, they are unaware of religion's power and control over their critical thinking faculties.

Religion - in general - is designed to impair your ability to think critically. That's because they tell you to believe rather than think. An extremely large number of Americans have no problem having someone telling them what to do because of the meds, their lack of critical thinking skills, and their need to be led by authority figures. Thus, they don't realize they're being duped by those who have succumbed to the viral meme - which is going to damage its hosts until they're no longer capable of discerning reality from the fantasy that the meme provides.

Oh, how humans can be duped.

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Starfish have the ability to regenerate, opposite of what you would have expected. Likewise, all these silly Paling articles only strengthens rather than weakens Paling. Why be like the corporate media trash when you can perhaps put the non-political articles at the forefront more often than in the background? Ok, fire away !

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Protestants rebuked and rejected the concept of interlopers, like Saints, but embrace the concept of Demons? Interesting.
So praying to a saint is idol worship but preaching to a Demon is not? You're not only conceding their existence, but their Status.
although diametrically opposed in methods- the intended purpose is the same- 'Salvation'.So there is essentiallly no difference in whether you pray to a Saint to give strength or berate a demon to release you from it's grip, is irrelevant.Both Saint and Demon then possess equal powers over human behavior and fate. 'Let in the Holy spirit' or Drive out the Devil.You must interact with them to invoke them or repell them.
What is most intriguing is the fact the Protestants didn't originally practice exorcism. That's a Catholic Ritual. Protestants rejected the idea of 'lesser Gods', thus the effects of 'lesser Devils'ah? Jews of course discount any other entity beyond the Scope of God's. God is the One and Only One protector, judge and punisher.
So it seems these sects are far more akin to Old Catholic traditions than Protestant.
Let's be honest Hagee Doesn't hate the Vatican, he envies it.
When will they nominate their own 'Saints' who 'waged war against the demons and the damned'? If they started a 'Hall of Fame' for Evangelicals- have no doubt these preaching posers would be vying for induction.
These 'demons' are no less contradictory to monotheism than believing in Sun Gods, trolls or wood nymphs.
So Catholism becomes the religion of the Saints and blessings, while the Protestant get linked with the demons and their torment. Are they sure they want that. It makes being a Catholic seem so much more ....pleasant. How Strange.

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It is freaking terrifying. Humanity is about to reap some fruits of overpopulation/consumption. And these psycho-brains will amplify all the bad by deciding changing times are the "Apocalypse" and so therefore they will *reinforce* and encourage the horror with their actions and inaction's.

Heck, you can kill anybody you want when you just KNOW McJesus is on your side!

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Their function is to forever distract you from critical examination of Obama and this Democratic Congress, owned and paid for by the ruling corporate elite, is dedicated to looting and destroying the people of this country and the planet.

Never discussed in the corporate media, are the consequences of the collapse of capitalism. Never discussed is the destruction of public education, public health, "living wage" jobs, etc. that we all need to survive. These are all being destroyed by the hundreds of billions looting the economy for unending phoney wars on "terrorism". And now the trillions to Wall Street, banks, a bottomless "black hole" of unaccounted looting.

This run-amok gangster capitalism has collapsed. Capitalism cannot be "reformed" or "bailed out in any way that will restore economic health to working people and to society. Don't you ever wonder why Rupert Murdoch supported Obama?

The complete bankruptcy of "progressive" politics is now painfully evident. With the election of Obama and complete Democratic Party control of Congress. we have a continuation of all the Bush-Cheney wars, corrupt conomic looting of the economy, increasing unemployment and impoverishment of millions, continued destruction of the global environment, etc.

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Glad to hear Sarah is a religious woman.

However, I wonder openly what would happen if Sarah Palin went one on one with Hillary Clinton in a real catfight.

No aides, no politics, just a one on one catfight.

Who would emerge as the winner?

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Religion is all about surviving, often at the expense of "others". I don't give a shit what particular narrative you run through your brain, you're just an organism doing its best to survive and pass on its genes. Good or bad, it's a system that works pretty well. Belief is a powerful thing, coupled with dedication, it can move mountains. We could use a little belief and dedication right now, but personally, I find the stuff that religions are spouting off about to be generally annoying and selfish. Perhaps some "preacher" will come along before too long with a worthwhile agenda and get people enthused about it cuz he got it from "God". A fair number of folks actually bought that Bush crap about God wanting him to invade Iraq, why can't it work to get people motivated for something beneficial? Something like "God wants us to have single payer national health care, He told me so". Makes more sense than a freakin' war. What the heck, start passin' that around to your religious friends, "God spoke to my heart and told me to advocate for single payer national health care. And to get out of Iraq, and build windmills and solar panels and drink 8 glasses of water a day". Just do it. If you're an atheist, this works especially well, religious types love converts.

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People, especially our politicians, should know that the issues of abortion and gun control, and most other values, start with the self-centered, God-based, or society-based assumptions--all unprovable. Then the type of evidence used is critical. Does it come from the authority of the Pope, from empirical science, from historical records or traditions. Very complicated! The best exposition of these problems comes, I believe, from Book 4 of the popular free ebook series "And Gulliver Returns"--In Search of Utopia-- it is found at http://andgulliverreturns.info and on the Kindle site.
The way we throw around the terms 'ethics,' 'values.' and family values' without defining why we believe, or what we believe, is definitely anti-intellectual. When people say we in America are 'dumbing down' I guess this is a symptom.

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One is left wondering why the so-called Americans United for Separation of Church and State and the ACLU aren't on a crusade to elminate tax deductions for religious organizations, which such deductions truly are a gross violation of the 1st Amendment, rather than on a twisted anti-freedom of speech crusade to prevent people who actually believe in God, rather than religions supposedly about God, from exercising our God-given human right to freely say so in a public so-called 'science' class.

The hypocrisy of liberals is only slightly if at all, surpassed by conservatives. There's more than enough money in religious tax havens to fund national health care for well into the next century.

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"For a movement that started out with a millenarian orientation, it has certainly become enamored with the world, and with retaining earthly power in every way."

And even at an elementary level of learning the Gospels, Jesus tells his followers that materialism is NOT the way to go. "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and give to God what is Gods"

These right wing mega Churches are just like today's republicans. All that they are concerned about is wealth and power. Not one of them tries to follow Jesus' model, especially about helping the least fortunate among us.

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There are about 160 million Christians in the US and only about 4 million are Pentecostal/Charismatic. (Catholic 51million, Baptist 34 million, Methodist 14 million, Lutheran 10 million, Presbyterian 6 million)

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.. the bastard spawn of the marriage between organized religion and Calvinist/Puritan economics and social structure raises its ugly head.

It is my hope that, someday before it's too late, we stop paying homage out of fear to destructive superstitions, and instead start paying more attention to the needs of our common humanity.

Remember – no matter what ANY religion tries to tell us, when it comes to the afterlife and the spiritual realm, every single religion is GUESSING. NOBODY who knows the truth ever comes back to tell the tale.

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As a Christian I want to know where in the Bible does it say I am not to trust in the Lord for all things? In the Bible it does say ask and you will receive as long as what you ask for is in the will of God. Its so immature to attack Sarah Palins faith.

Never mind that those of the Pentecostal groups are amongst the most giving and salt of the earth people I have ever met. Unlike those who expect the government to help people, like on demand cable, the Pentecostals are there helping without even being asked.

While I am not Pentecostal I know many who are, and feel blessed. So what are YOU doing to help those in need? Just talk? Or are you yourself actually doing something?

In the 80's the weekly Catholic prayer groups I attended was charasmatic, and its still active.

And since MOST pentocastal churchs are African American I consider this slam on the faith to be racist.

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Isn't that something a ho does when she's deep throating a trick?

Now, seriously, there is a good reason few of these certifiably insane people no longer "speak in tongues": they've finally figured out that it immediately stamps them with a label for what they are: dangerous lunatics.

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Alas! I must agree. Pentacostals are genuine wack jobs. They have taken a mainstream religion and turned it into pure superstition, mostly for political reasons.

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cut out the smoke and mirrors crap. Your just another phony, sad liar. Who Paid for that 500,000.00 house that the oil company contractor built? On the take Palin? Hey, there's your next slogan.

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Many spiritual traditions support the idea of a "new beginning." The critical difference between these, and what I think I'm seeing in these ... I would call them illegitimate ... religious messages, is that all responsible "new beginnings" start from a moment when the individual recognizes what s/he did that was wrong, that hurt others, that didn't work, that violated either secular or Divine laws, etc. and was sincerely SORRY.
They also suggest that one go apologise to those whom one has wronged. This is not groveling, but rather the mark of a sincere commitment to change. This "C Street" permission to do anything you want because you're one of God's chosen, or the "dump the wife you were beating" and just find a new one that think's you walk on water violates all the Laws of Karma that run through every one of the world's major religious traditions - you will reap as you have sown would be the phrase with which most of us are familiar. There is no free ride, and no "Get out of Jail Free" card in life. We're not doomed by our past actions, but neither are they without consequences.
Grow up Right Wing Religious Adherents. Read the Jesus' teachings - the man you purport to follow. They speak of redemption, but they don't speak of irresponsibility. Only children get to be children ... so Grow up.

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are absolutely totally batshit crazy. I cannot believe this stuff is still going on in the 21st century. It would not be so bad if this was a marginal number of illiterates deep in rural America where the schools are awful, but these people are everywhere and they are truly DANGEROUS!

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Obviously these parasites have conveniently redacted from their books and memories the words "my kingdom is not of this world," "render unto Caesar the things that are Caesars and to God the things that are God's."

Caesar gets their votes, but Jesus is sure handy for fundraising.

But then, the pope doesn't have it too bad, either. What's a popemobile cost? All the while those faithful are told to "lay up their treasures in heaven" the catholic church stores theirs in the Vatican, hoping that the latest sex scandal won't deplete its wealth too much.

It's all hypocrisy in the name of the Lord. The "faithful" are worshipping the golden calf and calling it Jesus. It would be hysterically funny if it weren't so pervasive.

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why wouldn't we be surprised that Americans would treat most everything they do with the half-crazed obsessive & narcissistic self-justifications that permeates their religion & nationalistic jingoism?

the dualistic, 'rah-rah' is applied to every facet of their "American Exceptionalism'-fueled culture.

"American" is just another brandname, meaning almost nothing, but used & applied with the same feverish "Manifest Destiny wide-eyed fanaticism as the religions they invent.




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